Here we go. Biden considering bringing Troops back to Iraq. -

[yipyaps]

Was that supposed to be

Nuclear weapons. Before the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, some intelligence agencies assessed that the Iraqi government was reconstituting a nuclear weapons program, while others disagreed. The NIE reflected a majority view that it was being reconstituted, but there were sharp dissents by the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research and the Department of Energy (which is the main source of nuclear weapons expertise in the U.S. government).
AD

In particular, administration officials leaked to the New York Times that Iraq had obtained large quantities of aluminum tubes for use in the uranium enrichment project — though the Energy Department experts were convinced that the tubes were poorly suited for such uses and instead were intended for artillery rockets.
Also, before the war, CIA Director George Tenet warned the White House not to use sketchy intelligence about Iraqi purchases of uranium in Africa. But the White House inserted it into a presidential speech anyway, much to its later embarrassment.

After the invasion, officials discovered Iraq had basically ended its nuclear weapon program in 1991.

Biological weapons. The intelligence community consistently stated between the late 1990s and 2003 that Iraq retained biological warfare agents and the capability to produce more. However, there were intelligence gaps in Iraq’s biological weapons programs, made explicit in the October 2002 NIE, which policymakers did not discuss.
After the war, officials discovered that Iraq had not conducted biological weapons production research since 1996. Iraq could have reestablished an elementary program within weeks, but no indications were found that Iraq intended to do so.

Chemical weapons. The October NIE said that Iraq retained between 100 and 500 metric tons of chemical weapons. The intelligence community assessed that Hussein wanted to have chemical weapons capability and that Iraq was seeking to hide its capability in its dual-use chemical industry. However, intelligence assessments clearly stated that analysts could not confirm that production was ongoing.
After the war, officials could find no caches of chemical weapons munitions and only a handful of pre-1991 chemical munitions. There was no credible evidence that Iraq resumed its chemical weapons program after 1991.

The Bottom Line​

The intelligence community’s assessments on Iraq’s WMD stockpiles and programs turned out to be woefully wrong, largely because analysts believed that Iraq had kept on a path of building its programs rather than largely abandoning them after the 1991 Persian Gulf War. Thus the stockpiles theoretically got larger as time went on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/22/iraq-war-wmds-an-intelligence-failure-or-white-house-spin/

Many countries commit atrocities and war. Should we invade them all? There was no nuclear threat from Iraq. It was a lie. Should we invade China for

https://www.siasat.com/trump-administration-declares-chinas-atrocities-against-uighurs-as-genocide-2071486/

We have clear documentation of the chemical weapons stockpiles and the uranium, which could have been used for a "dirty bomb" to irradiate large areas. Outside those facts there's only narrative, like that dumb propaganda you just cited.

Literally written in response to a tweet from a republican and burying those facts in text nobody wants to read.

 

[Bosmadden]

Was that supposed to be

We have clear documentation of the chemical weapons stockpiles and the uranium, which could have been used for a "dirty bomb" to irradiate large areas. Outside those facts there's only narrative, like that dumb propaganda you just cited.

Literally written in response to a tweet from a republican and burying those facts in text nobody wants to read.

After the invasion US forces spent months searching for these mythical WMDs and found nothing.

The Bush administration sold a narrative that Saddam had an active and ongoing WMD program, including uranium enrichment and large stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons.

They even had satellite photographs and intelligence 'proving' it existed.

It was all bullshit.

Stop with the gas lighting.

 

[Ruin]

After the invasion US forces spent months searching for these mythical WMDs and found nothing.

The Bush administration sold a narrative that Saddam had an active and ongoing WMD program, including uranium enrichment and large stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons.

They even had satellite photographs and intelligence 'proving' it existed.

It was all bullshit.

Stop with the gas lighting.

Untrue, U.S forces destroyed large caches of mustard and chlorine gas as well as lab equipment typically used to enrich and propagate anthrax spores. The News media retconned the term "weapon of mass destruction" to mean only nuclear weapons and nothing else because they desperately wanted to smear Bush as a delusional retard who found nothing.

I'll preface this by saying that I thought Bush was an utterly shit president who fucked up the country/economy but saying the U.S found nothing in Iraq is objectively not true. Saddam was an utter monster who had large chemical weapon caches. His brother was nicknamed chemical Ali for fucks sake.

 

[The Last Stand]

Untrue, U.S forces destroyed large caches of mustard and chlorine gas as well as lab equipment typically used to enrich and propagate anthrax spores. The News media retconned the term "weapon of mass destruction" to mean only nuclear weapons and nothing else because they desperately wanted to smear Bush as a delusional retard who found nothing.

I'll preface this by saying that I thought Bush was an utterly shit president who fucked up the country/economy but saying the U.S found nothing in Iraq is objectively not true. Saddam was an utter monster who had large chemical weapon caches. His brother was nicknamed chemical Ali for fucks sake.

Yeah, I have a hard time believing that.

 

[Ruin]

Yeah, I have a hard time believing that.

Wow a clip from a children's cartoon. You sure owned me.

 

[NJBear]

Was that supposed to be

We have clear documentation of the chemical weapons stockpiles and the uranium, which could have been used for a "dirty bomb" to irradiate large areas. Outside those facts there's only narrative, like that dumb propaganda you just cited.

Literally written in response to a tweet from a republican and burying those facts in text nobody wants to read.

Any nation with nuclear power can build a dirty bomb. Iraq was more stable and secular under Saddam. The same with Qaddafi and Libya. Now both nations are non stop horror shows.

 

[The Last Stand]

Wow a clip from a children's cartoon. You sure owned me.

Not all cartoons are meant for children. Especially not that one.

I'm saying that America had SOME foul play in causing the Iraqi War.

 

[Prester John]

If we're going to send the troops back into Iraq in another war for oil, let's at least take the oil this time. I'm so pissed off with the last war for oil when we didn't even take the oil.

 

[Screamer]

If we're going to send the troops back into Iraq in another war for oil, let's at least take the oil this time. I'm so pissed off with the last war for oil when we didn't even take the oil.

America doesn't need to oil. It's about preventing other countries buying that oil. As well as keeping to region shattered.

 

[yipyaps]

Any nation with nuclear power can build a dirty bomb. Iraq was more stable and secular under Saddam. The same with Qaddafi and Libya. Now both nations are non stop horror shows.

Both countries had civil wars killing millions of people...

Do you really think that was only because of outside influence?

 

[Cypher]

Untrue, U.S forces destroyed large caches of mustard and chlorine gas as well as lab equipment typically used to enrich and propagate anthrax spores. The News media retconned the term "weapon of mass destruction" to mean only nuclear weapons and nothing else because they desperately wanted to smear Bush as a delusional retard who found nothing.

I'll preface this by saying that I thought Bush was an utterly shit president who fucked up the country/economy but saying the U.S found nothing in Iraq is objectively not true. Saddam was an utter monster who had large chemical weapon caches. His brother was nicknamed chemical Ali for fucks sake.

Don't really know if ya know this, but uh, America gave Saddam those fucking weapons back in the Iran-Iraq War.

 

[The Curmudgeon]

Was that supposed to be

We have clear documentation of the chemical weapons stockpiles and the uranium, which could have been used for a "dirty bomb" to irradiate large areas. Outside those facts there's only narrative, like that dumb propaganda you just cited.

Literally written in response to a tweet from a republican and burying those facts in text nobody wants to read.

You mean the improperly stored chemical and biological weapons that couldn't be used on anyone? Or the yellowcake they had no way of processing because they had no proper nuclear infrastructure? Never mind those were also tucked away and forgotten about. In fact, after the Gulf War Iraq's military was a joke. They weren't a threat to anybody by the time Bush invaded them. And like @Cypher said, they got their WMDs from our country in the first place to help them fight Iran.

Was Saddm horrible? Yes. But there was absolutely no good reason to invade Iraq and overthrow him. He was a useless tinpot dictator running a weak third world country that posed no threat in any credible way. Unless it wasn't obvious by now, Iraq is really not any better off post-invasion. Their problems aren't our country's fault, but we didn't do anything to fix them either. The whole war had nothing to do with humanitarianism and was nothing but stupid power projection and geopolitics. Our country's intervention there helped create the refugee crisis in Europe too.

So please spare us your bullshit about it being a just war or whatever. It was a monumental waste of time, money, and effort that only made the Middle East a bigger shithole. Its objectives were nothing but lies and half-truths. Also, for the record, I have a strong feeling you're a chickenhawk. You probably love war and gloat how awesome the mititary is, but you would NEVER have the balls to go fight in a war youself. But you sure have no problems sending other people to die for your cause, right?

Sorry everyone else, I had to sperg at this. I may hate SJWs and their ilk, but still never stopped hating neocons and similar assholes pushing foreign interventionism.

 

[Forever Sunrise]

Untrue, U.S forces destroyed large caches of mustard and chlorine gas as well as lab equipment typically used to enrich and propagate anthrax spores. The News media retconned the term "weapon of mass destruction" to mean only nuclear weapons and nothing else because they desperately wanted to smear Bush as a delusional retard who found nothing.

I'll preface this by saying that I thought Bush was an utterly shit president who fucked up the country/economy but saying the U.S found nothing in Iraq is objectively not true. Saddam was an utter monster who had large chemical weapon caches. His brother was nicknamed chemical Ali for fucks sake.

Yes, they did find those devices. But they were all ancient, long-abandoned caches from the early 90's that lazy members of the Iraqi military had failed to properly dispose of after being explicitly told to do so. Saddam was a monster, yes, but he knew the US would never allow him to use chemical weapons under any circumstances. Instead of keeping those programs around, he dismantled them and invested the money into conventional weapons. Would he have kept them around if he could have? Yes, absolutely. Did he still have them in reality in 2003? No. He didn't.

Edit: Reee, beaten by literal minutes. I hate you @SuudsuAddict we shall now forever be enemies.

 

[TFT-A9]

The fact that there was a SECOND war in Iraq is only due to Bush Sr. deciding to pull out before the job was finished.

 

[yipyaps]

You mean the improperly stored chemical and biological weapons that couldn't be used on anyone? Or the yellowcake they had no way of processing because they had no proper nuclear infrastructure? Never mind those were also tucked away and forgotten about. In fact, after the Gulf War Iraq's military was a joke. They weren't a threat to anybody by the time Bush invaded them. And like @Cypher said, they got their WMDs from our country in the first place to help them fight Iran.

Was Saddm horrible? Yes. But there was absolutely no good reason to invade Iraq and overthrow him. He was a useless tinpot dictator running a weak third world country that posed no threat in any credible way. Unless it wasn't obvious by now, Iraq is really not any better off post-invasion. Their problems aren't our country's fault, but we didn't do anything to fix them either. The whole war had nothing to do with humanitarianism and was nothing but stupid power projection and geopolitics. Our country's intervention there helped create the refugee crisis in Europe too.

So please spare us your bullshit about it being a just war or whatever. It was a monumental waste of time, money, and effort that only made the Middle East a bigger shithole. Its objectives were nothing but lies and half-truths. Also, for the record, I have a strong feeling you're a chickenhawk. You probably love war and gloat how awesome the mititary is, but you would NEVER have the balls to go fight in a war youself. But you sure have no problems sending other people to die for your cause, right?

Sorry everyone else, I had to sperg at this. I may hate SJWs and their ilk, but still never stopped hating neocons and similar assholes pushing foreign interventionism.

I did serve in combat when I was 19, with my infantry battalion. The world is a nasty place, and we didn't get where we are by pretending pacifism was a practical or moral policy.

Yes, they did find those devices. But they were all ancient, long-abandoned caches from the early 90's that lazy members of the Iraqi military had failed to properly dispose of after being explicitly told to do so. Saddam was a monster, yes, but he knew the US would never allow him to use chemical weapons under any circumstances. Instead of keeping those programs around, he dismantled them and invested the money into conventional weapons. Would he have kept them around if he could have? Yes, absolutely. Did he still have them in reality in 2003? No. He didn't.

Edit: Reee, beaten by literal minutes. I hate you @SuudsuAddict we shall now forever be enemies.

This is simply wrong.

U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report (yahoo.com)

The evidence clear, retroactively adding qualifiers and lying about it is just embarrassing. Saddam gassed a LOT of people, he spent a LOT of resources and risk developing his nuclear capabilities.

 

[Meat Target]

Grunts have always been the knuckle draggers of the military. If you had to keep brushing their fur, telling them they're pretty little princesses, and make sure they don't forget their toys when they go out to fuck around and jerk each other off, would you appreciate a bunch of knuckle dragging line slime and faggoty operators claiming that they're the entire military and nobody else matters because they work a couple hours a day, especially to outsiders?

I'm just repeating the common scuttlebutt to answer @Random Internet Person's question. Forgive my civvie faggot understanding.

 

[Forever Sunrise]

This is simply wrong.

I'm sorry, but did you actually read the article you just cited? It backs up my statement completely. To quote;

'The discovery of pre-Gulf War chemical weapons — most of them "filthy, rusty or corroded" — did not fit the narrative.

“They needed something to say that after Sept. 11 Saddam used chemical rounds,” Lampier said. “And all of this was from the pre-1991 era.”'

Now from my post:

But they were all ancient, long-abandoned caches from the early 90's that lazy members of the Iraqi military had failed to properly dispose of after being explicitly told to do so.

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[ditto]

Surprised that the Air force leans so republican tbh. Figured the "chair force" just spends all day on Twitter.

U.S forces destroyed large caches of mustard and chlorine gas as well as lab equipment typically used to enrich and propagate anthrax spores.

Which the US sold to them two decades earlier. Poetic, really.

 

[Cypher]

I did serve in combat when I was 19, with my infantry battalion. The world is a nasty place, and we didn't get where we are by pretending pacifism was a practical or moral policy.

Ok that's nice and all, but what the fuck did you exactly get out of fighting in the desert? Better yet, what the fuck did Americans or Iraqis get out of deposing Saddam for stupid old ass chems and a non-existent nuclear program?

 

[yipyaps]

I'm sorry, but did you actually read the article you just cited? It backs up my statement completely. To quote;



Now from my post:



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What are you trying to say?

Saddam built, kept and used wmds until his violent overthrow. The CIA bought chemical munitions off the black market.

C.I.A. Is Said to Have Bought and Destroyed Iraqi Chemical Weapons - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Any nation with nuclear power can build a dirty bomb. Iraq was more stable and secular under Saddam. The same with Qaddafi and Libya. Now both nations are non stop horror shows.

That's exactly why countries are pressured into signing agreements that prevent stockpiling refined uranium or give up nuclear power altogether. It's a huge component of nuclear non proliferation