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Hooooo boy. Revisionist history is annoying.

I am surprised nobody mentioned medievalpoc yet, the queen of tumblr revisionist history.
I remember reading comments about the controversy Witcher 3 gotten for not having POC. One guy linked that tumlr only to be met with a response that summed it up as it being a sort of "American cultural imperialism". By that, I mean some guy is posted a link to the tumblr and someone refuted the link by saying it was nothing more than a sort of imperialism since it means that those of their own culture are ignorant compared to a foreigner who claims what skin color the person really is. I know history isn't the most accurate but one does have to understand that language had a different meaning for something back then (by that, saying black wouldn't refer to skin but rather to hair). This sort of thing also happened to a group that was making Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Some guy on twitter got into a fight with the dev, saying it wasn't accurate because there were no dark skinned people in the game. While you could of had an African in Europe, wouldn't that of depended on the region? I'm sure some merchant in Venice would have one but a king from the boondocks in Bavaria? I highly doubt it unless the area was of global importance in some case.

SJWs are the worst thing to happen to black history.
because sjws love to just ignore it, and instead latch onto someone else's history and claim it as black
because natives of the americas and asians are white now i guess?
An earlier post mentioned they ignored African history. SJW's can insist Beethoven was black but would they bring up Mansa Munsa? And considering they are focusing on Europe, wouldn't this in a way be Eurocentric since this means ignoring the likes of Mansa Munsa or that Ethiopia itself was once known as the Abyssinian Empire?
 
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I've never really heard of these people until now, but goddamn it, I wish I never learned about it.

What @c-no said in the post above mine reminded me of a similar event. Back when Frozen came out in 2013, SJWs were getting pissed because there were no POC, despite the fact that it took place in Northern Europe. Tumblr is a cesspool of idiots who won't listen to facts because they refuse to live outside of their fantasy world.
 

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Tumblrites can't accept the fact that there was time in history when countries like Europe were primarily white. Or that most revered people in history were white. Thus, they try to find POC in any aspect of history prior to say 1950.

What's funny is that from my experience, it's mostly a black or white thing.


I mean American and European history btw.
 
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I've never really heard of these people until now, but goddamn it, I wish I never learned about it.

What @c-no said in the post above mine reminded me of a similar event. Back when Frozen came out in 2013, SJWs were getting pissed because there were no POC, despite the fact that it took place in Northern Europe. Tumblr is a cesspool of idiots who won't listen to facts because they refuse to live outside of their fantasy world.
Not only that, but there were pictures of the Sami people and they weren't POC as the SJW's thought. It wouldn't excuse SJW's from complaining though

As far as how some would say Africans were the founders of some Indian empire, the only ground the African thing would hold (and this would no doubt be a wild guess) is that for those that know of evolution in how humans came about, the pre-human ancestor was from Africa and its offspring migrated through the world. While in a way we are all African through that one pre-human ancestor, an SJW using that would still fall since as mentioned, it had offspring that migrated out of Africa.
 

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SJWs are the worst thing to happen to black history.
because sjws love to just ignore it, and instead latch onto someone else's history and claim it as black
because natives of the americas and asians are white now i guess?
Probably because deep down, they're racists who think that actual African history isn't "real" history. It's not good enough for black people to have their own history, they have to have been a part of the only history that the Tumblrinas care about. It's like the stupid thing with trying to make the Greek gods black. Why don't they focus on actual African mythology, which is really neat? Well, they've never heard of it and research is for the patriarchy, so they just ignore it.

I think one of the stupidest SJW historical revision claims is that Akhenaten was a woman/trans/intersex, which I've actually heard mentioned by academic sources, though usually as a disproven theory. Did they miss the part where they drew everyone funky-looking during that period and he actually had kids?
 

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Unfortunately, there are a lot of racists out there who like to point to how x race didn't build enough great civilizations or invent enough things as proof they're inferior. I guess people on Tumblr are too ignorant to have any real facts to point to to try to counter this, but they are still extremely angry and want to respond so they are forced to make some up. The same kinda shit happens with sexists/feminists and the STEM argument, I think.
What they fail to realize it that bigots are gonna be bigots and the majority of them will just shift the goalposts no matter what the evidence is. Like, with STEM, some people used to just straight up think women were too retarded to into science. Now that it's fairly obvious that's not the case, sexists will just say MOST women are too retarded or that female scientists don't make enough discoveries or aren't in the right fields. Overzealous feminists like Brianna Wu get extremely offended by this so we get a huge and largely pointless push to get more women into STEM, at which point sexists are just going to move the goalposts again and find something else to complain about.
It's the same thing here. Racists will always downplay black civilizations and black inventors. Let's say tomorrow they find Atlantis and it turns out it was 100% African people and everything they did was way more advanced than everything else happening at the time. Do you think racists are going to be like "gee I guess all races really are equal after all, I was wrong" no they are going to bitch about how they probably stole all the technology or if they were so smart why did they all die out. If it was discovered that there was some kind of coverup and a bunch of great civilizations were actually African like Tumblr is trying to say they are, they would just point to how brutal those people were and how white civilizations were MUCH more blah blah whatever.
Anyway the point is it's largely unproductive to engage these people in this manner but SJWs waste a bunch of time and energy trying to do it anyway.
 

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Probably because deep down, they're racists who think that actual African history isn't "real" history. It's not good enough for black people to have their own history, they have to have been a part of the only history that the Tumblrinas care about. It's like the stupid thing with trying to make the Greek gods black. Why don't they focus on actual African mythology, which is really neat? Well, they've never heard of it and research is for the patriarchy, so they just ignore it.

I think one of the stupidest SJW historical revision claims is that Akhenaten was a woman/trans/intersex, which I've actually heard mentioned by academic sources, though usually as a disproven theory. Did they miss the part where they drew everyone funky-looking during that period and he actually had kids?
Considering mythology, Africa itself is rich like Europe. Would these tumblrites even give Anansi focus like they would to a Greek god such as Hades? Would they even bother to learn about something with African religious mythology such as a sort of creator spirit that brought forth much things in this world? They probably don't even know about one African mythological belief in that people were born with two souls/spirits that are male and female.
 

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As an addendum to this very interesting topic, it seems like people these days have an inability to put themselves in the context of other ages and other cultures. Historical figures who are admired by many - say, for example, Abraham Lincoln - are spat upon by this new breed of social justice warrior, in what seems to be an attempt to be "edgy" and "knowledgeable." Yes, Lincoln had slaves. Yes, he had some reprehensible views. But good people are still people, and people are shitty. Moreover, for the era, Lincoln was fairly forward thinking, even if he did some awful things.

I don't know, that shit bothers me. SJWs and Tumblrites forget that people are flawed.
 

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As an addendum to this very interesting topic, it seems like people these days have an inability to put themselves in the context of other ages and other cultures. Historical figures who are admired by many - say, for example, Abraham Lincoln - are spat upon by this new breed of social justice warrior, in what seems to be an attempt to be "edgy" and "knowledgeable." Yes, Lincoln had slaves. Yes, he had some reprehensible views. But good people are still people, and people are shitty. Moreover, for the era, Lincoln was fairly forward thinking, even if he did some awful things.

I don't know, that shit bothers me. SJWs and Tumblrites forget that people are flawed.
Lincoln had his issues, but he didn't own slaves -though much of what you said can be ascribed to Jefferson.
 

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As an addendum to this very interesting topic, it seems like people these days have an inability to put themselves in the context of other ages and other cultures. Historical figures who are admired by many - say, for example, Abraham Lincoln - are spat upon by this new breed of social justice warrior, in what seems to be an attempt to be "edgy" and "knowledgeable." Yes, Lincoln had slaves. Yes, he had some reprehensible views. But good people are still people, and people are shitty. Moreover, for the era, Lincoln was fairly forward thinking, even if he did some awful things.

I don't know, that shit bothers me. SJWs and Tumblrites forget that people are flawed.
As far as issues go with things, when you do consider the context of their times, they are more progressive than their contemporaries such as with Christianity in that it mean't treating women with more respect (even though one verse tells them to obey their husbands, the husbands are also suppose to listen to their wives. Just leave it at that since I don't want to derail and/or turn this into a possible flamewar over religion).

I know we should be careful in perceiving historical figures since the perception of them can be different such as Ghengis Kahn (admired by some, hated by others) but one should at least understand the things they done to deserve admiration or hate before right off the bat spitting upon them just because of skin color or ethnicity.
 

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Considering mythology, Africa itself is rich like Europe. Would these tumblrites even give Anansi focus like they would to a Greek god such as Hades? Would they even bother to learn about something with African religious mythology such as a sort of creator spirit that brought forth much things in this world? They probably don't even know about one African mythological belief in that people were born with two souls/spirits that are male and female.
Don't some tumblrinas claim to have the gender two-spirited? So they do know that one thing. Just one.
 

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Don't some tumblrinas claim to have the gender two-spirited? So they do know that one thing. Just one.
I doubt it. If they really knew about the two spirit gender, they know about the Dogon myth having the first 8 being of dual soul and that other African cultures see there being a dual nature for every human. Would Tumblr know of this? They probably would only know a slight amount if they honestly do try to research anything on African culture in terms of mythology but lets not veer off-topic, we are focusing on people trying historically revise the likes of Beethoven being black instead of focusing on the likes of Mansa Munsa who was rich and generous that he nearly if not outright destroyed the economy during his time when he went through Egypt.
 

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they read the blogs and books of hack professors nearly all of whom practice 'african studies' rather than history. like 'women's studies' its become an echo chamber that retards the peer review process and prevents proper criticism by the wider crop of historians.

here's a fantastic amount of bullshit:
I'm not going to debunk all those claims as they all fall on the same issue so dealing with one shows the flaw in the others- from the post above:
from the saga of hafdan the black:

Ohhh the people who claim the norse were Africans. They are just a kettle of fun.

The rationale I seem to recall is that Islamic Moors somehow slipped around the Frankish Empire, conquered Scandinavia, immediately abandoned Islam and adopted Germanic Paganism and somehow became the heads of dynasties that were contemporary to the first Caesars and predate Islam.

Then there is the magical shape shifting abilities they seem to posses. Given that when Ahmad ibn Fadlan describes the Volga Vikings as being the most physically perfect specimens he has ever encountered they are, of course, black. However when he describes the exact same people as being the filthiest people he has ever encountered they are, naturally, right back to being white.

Oh, as for Halfdan, he wasn't the first king of Norway. He ruled a portion of it. His son Harald Fairhair was the first king of Norway.

But as has already been noted, these folks aren't interested in African History. They don't care that the King of Mali was the richest man in the world for a time. It's more about counter imperialism.

Though it's worth noting the opposite side of this coin is fucking stupid as fuck. At any given time there are at least a dozen threads going on various White Supremacist websites discussing how Slavery was actually a really good thing and how African Americans should appreciate Slavery and how the Holocaust never happened and how Magic Nordic Aliens created white people.

Don't even get me started on the pig-shit that is the Iron Pill Comics or whatever the fuck it's called.

Magical Jotnar (The very embodiment of foreigners in Norse mythology) train a Danish guy and give him a "Neo-Classical Physiqe" (So Skaldic it shits the text of the Eddas) and also there is some generic busty girl clinging to his leg.

Because you know. Shield Maidens doesn't real.
 
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I could sperg on the topic of race in ancient Egypt for quite a while, but since it's a touchy subject, I'll keep this brief.
(Although for the record I think it's quite likely that ancient Egyptians would have looked 'black' to a modern eye. They certainly wouldn't have looked as 'white' as they are often depicted today. But I don't think it really tells us anything about ancient Egyptian society or culture, because they wouldn't have had any consciousness of themselves as 'black').
For the most I agree, though exactly what constitutes "black" isn't necessarily clear cut given the socially constructed nature of race. To most people here in the States, Northeast Africans like North Sudanese, Somalis, or most Ethiopians would qualify as "Black African" on account of their darker skin and being native to Africa, but on certain racialist forums they're considered a separate "race" from the broader-featured West African ancestors of most Afro-Diasporans. And then there's the fact that Northeast Africans do share some common ancestry with Out-of-Africa migrants, so they would be expected to have more genetic overlap with Eurasians than other Africans would.

For what it's worth, the Egyptians appear to have painted themselves less dark than Kushites further up the Nile, but also significantly darker than (presumably Berber) Libyans from Mediterranean North Africa and Semitics (e.g. Hebrews and Arabs) from the Middle East. The former distinction doesn't have to make them necessarily "non-black" though, anymore than southernmost African Khoisan are "less black" than equatorial Congolese due to having lighter skin; Africans can vary in skin tone just like "Caucasoids".
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That said, the opinion that modern Egyptians are all "Arabs" whose ancestors wiped out or drove off the natives is most probably offensive bunk. I would say the situation was more similar to Latin America, where you had the invaders assimilating into the native gene pool (but with more time and no smallpox of course).
 

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Ah historical revisionists... To be honest, when I first saw this topic, I thought it was going to be about Holocaust denial, but really it's all the same thing. White supremacists and SJWs are really just two sides of the same coin. Ironically they both have racist attitudes, both towards whites and towards non-whites (and yes, the fact that they lump all non-whites together is equally amusing and insulting to me; ironically the Puritans did the same thing, not differentiating between Indians and blacks, and in the Commonwealth everyone from South Asians to Australian Aborigines has been describes as 'black' sometimes until quite recently; just look up the Southall Black Sisters for example or W. Lloyd Warner's 'A Black Civilization').

I just find it absolutely funny that someone would want to talk about the Olmecs while showing a picture of what appears to be the one image in elementary school social studies textbooks that talks about the Nubians.

Well, most of these people aren't exactly well educated, nor do they take the time to do research on the pictures or quotes they use. Ironically, all 'black' people look the same, whether its an Olmec head, Egyptian artwork or Mycenaean pottery.

I'll say it again; for a group of people who are very upset that native culture is being shit all over, they sure are eager to shit all over native cultures.

I think part of its because most of these SJWs come from the US, where until relatively recently, 'minority' was almost entirely synonymous with 'black.' I've worked in education and had people who seemed incredulous that Native Americans still existed, and groups like Polynesians, Hmong, Kurds, Sami, Roma, Ainu, Australian Aborigines and others are even further from public consciousness. If they are thought of at all, its as 'foreign' cultures that live on the other side of the world (unless we get into anti-immigrant hysteria and Islamophobia).

Also, I admit my knowledge of African history is woefully lacking, but I do seem to recall reading a bit about a couple of great African Empires built and ruled by black cultures. Wasn't the Mali Empire kind of a big deal? If these tumblristas really cared about African history and educating people about it, there's loads of great ancient African societies they could be sperging about.

Of course, that would assume they actually care.

I believe there are multiple factors there, really. Aside from the obvious fact that they really don't care to learn about African and Diasporic history. There is (or historically has been) something of a bias against black Africa in Western discourse. Until very recently, most black Americans wanted to distance themselves from the word 'Africa.' Africa was 'primitive,' 'pagan,' 'barbaric.' Ironically even black nationalists continued this trend. Nation of Islam and similar groups talked about the 'blackman of Asia' and 'Asiatics,' rather than looking to Africa. They tried to claim everything... the 'Black Athena,' Egypt, India.... but not Angola or Kenya. Places like Greece, India and Egypt are seen as 'romantic' in the Western mind, but sub-Saharan Africa not so much so...

The tumblarinas have inherited these same prejudices. For all their whining about 'white people' they still tend to compare America to liberal European nations (never mind that Europe suffers from racism too) and seem genuinely ignorant about modern African nations. They never really talk about the Rwandan Genocide, the Congo Civil Wars, the Touareg secessionists in Mali, Boko Haram, Cabinda, race relations in Zimbabwe and South Africa, ethnic conflicts in South Sudan, etc. Hell most talk about 'Africa' as if it were a single bloody country.

EDIT: And, of course, none of that will get around the fact that, due to great interest and success in sea travel, and, later, industrialization, European imperial ambitions managed to subjugate most of Africa. It's unfortunate, but it's also true.

Well that's true, but its also only looking at very recent history. Europe has only come to dominate the rest of the globe over the last two centuries or so (and the US less than that). India, China and the Islamic Empires were much stronger at one point and as it stands are catching up. Ironically one of the big things that hurt African empires was the end of the slave trade. Europeans had very little presence in Africa at the height of the Atlantic slave trade.

If you wanted to "revise" history more accurately to reflect the prominence of a lot of now virtually forgotten African empires, that would actually be accurate and there would be a lot of history to have genuine pride in.

It's a fact that a lot of genuine African history that actually connects with Western history doesn't get covered, whether due to conscious or accidental bias. That should be fixed.

Instead, though, these morons want to just make shit up. It's embarrassing.

I agree. I think part of it is, as I said above, is both genuine ignorance and the fact that Africa is something of a 'dirty word' to some people. I also suspect there's some hostility due to the fact that most of the great African empires were Muslim. Mali, Kanem-Bornu, Songhaï, Adal, the Almoravids, Sokoto, all of the Swahili city-states...

I'm surprised they didn't mention how nearly all the gods were rapists, even the black/disabled/pansexual ones. And that a lot of the goddesses were guilty of massive victim blaming. (Oh, my husband raped you? Let me horribly curse you and destroy your life.) And that Athena was viewed as "safe" because she was a virgin, and wouldn't have any children that might eventually take over from their fathers. And that Greek mythology is, overall, nearly as sexist as Holden is.

Even funnier since the Greeks (and later Romans) actually did portray several of their gods as distinctly (and often ambiguously) 'foreign.' Dionysus immediately springs to mind.

There is ample evidence in actual history to contradict the hypothesis of European progress/African primitivism, but most of the people pushing this history are ignorant of African history and have no desire to correct that, so they'd rather talk about black Beethoven or black vikings than Mansa Musa or the Sultanate of Agadez.

Again, see above. Mansa Musa and the Sultanate of Agadez would both be examples of the African-Islamic culture that I think both conservatives and SJWs seem eager to ignore.

Tumblrites can't accept the fact that there was time in history when countries like Europe were primarily white.

Except of course that people had been trading back and forth across the Mediterranean for millennia. Especially before the rise of Christianity and Islam, people in Greece, Egypt and Palestine had much more in common with each other than people tend to assume. Thinking in terms of 'race' doesn't really help much.

Or that most revered people in history were white.

Only if you're talking European history and even then until fairy recently. I'd daresay the historical Jesus (who was distinctly brown) had far more influence and respect than anyone in Europe. Ditto for Muhammad and the Buddha Sakyamuni. And that's before we get into Mansa Musa, Valmiki, ibn Sina, Vatsyayana, Ali ibn Abi-Talib, Ulugh Beg, Mahavira, Clement of Alexandria, Augustine of Hippo, Tertullian, Rhazes, ibn Battuta, Guru Nanak, Ferdowsi, Hypatia of Alexandria, Timur, Genghis Khan, Paul of Tarsus...

Not only that, but there were pictures of the Sami people and they weren't POC as the SJW's thought. It wouldn't excuse SJW's from complaining though

That's because SJW's are extremely myopic and unaware of cultures outside of the US. Or even within the US. I don't see many of them helping out American Indian causes, and I doubt they'll ever mention the Métis or Cambodian refugees.

Considering mythology, Africa itself is rich like Europe.

I would argue its even richer than Europe for several reasons. Africa is a much larger continent and larger population base, with five major language families that are entirely unrelated. Also unlike Europe, many African civilizations continued their traditional religions until very recently, if they stopped practicing them at all. We have very little idea of how the pagan Greeks worshipped their gods, let alone the Celts, Slavs or Dacians, but we know a great deal about the Zande and their beliefs.

Would these tumblrites even give Anansi focus like they would to a Greek god such as Hades? Would they even bother to learn about something with African religious mythology such as a sort of creator spirit that brought forth much things in this world?

No, I don't think so. Especially because they're terminal edgelords. They're more likely to call themselves 'Hades' or something instead of learn about creator gods and tricksters, because they want to shock people.

They probably don't even know about one African mythological belief in that people were born with two souls/spirits that are male and female.

Could be referring to the Zulu supreme being called uNkulunkulu. I believe in pre-Christian times uNkulunkulu was portrayed as having both male and female traits though after contact with the Christian missionaries he took on decidedly more masculine traits (though I might be mixing the Zulu's creation myths with another civilization's here; SA isn't my specialty so I apologize if I'm wrong). The modern Zulu and Xhosa people still use the name uNkulunkulu both for god in their traditional religions AND as the name for the Christian god.

If they really knew about the two spirit gender, they know about the Dogon myth having the first 8 being of dual soul and that other African cultures see there being a dual nature for every human.

To be fair, the SJW's misappropriation of other culture's mythologies amuses me. It's essentially taking another culture's creation myth and using it to justify their transgender/crossdressing/genderfluid identity. Sometimes (actually probably more often than not) they are misrepresenting or misinterpreting another culture's practices. It's especially funny because many African civilizations do have strict gender roles and homosexuality is even a crime in several modern African nations (there was even the issue of Uganda wanting to make it a capital offense).
 

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For the most I agree, though exactly what constitutes "black" isn't necessarily clear cut given the socially constructed nature of race.

Exactly. As I said earlier, in the UK and Commonwealth, 'black' has not only been used for people of sub-Saharan African and Diasporic descent, but sometimes for South Asian and Australian Aboriginal communities too.

To most people here in the States, Northeast Africans like North Sudanese, Somalis, or most Ethiopians would qualify as "Black African" on account of their darker skin and being native to Africa, but on certain racialist forums they're considered a separate "race"

Sometimes by themselves as well. Ethiopians and Somalis are both linguistically and genetically related to other Afro-Asiatic peoples in Arabia and the Middle East. Conversely there are decidedly light skinned Berber peoples in the Maghreb who probably wouldn't be considered 'black' (and darker skinned Berber peoples like the Touareg in Mali and Niger who might).

from the broader-featured West African ancestors of most Afro-Diasporans.

Which is another important point. Almost all black Americans (and Afro-Caribbeans, Afro-Brazilians, etc) are descendant from West and Central African peoples like the Yoruba and Kongo. Although most blacks in the Americas can't know their ancestry for sure its rather racist to lump the entire bloody continent together and pretend that black Americans have magical ties to Ethiopia or Tanzania or Uganda simply because they share the same skin tone. It's rather akin to saying all whites must Ukrainian or Spanish or Finnish or Hungarian simply because they're white.

By that same token, there's also the Indian Ocean Diaspora and a trans-Saharan Diaspora as well. There are people of black African heritage still running around Morocco, India, Pakistan, Turkey, Iraq, southern Arabia. It's not something that gets talked about much but it's damned interesting.

And then there's the fact that Northeast Africans do share some common ancestry with Out-of-Africa migrants, so they would be expected to have more genetic overlap with Eurasians than other Africans would.

But again, that's to be expected. As I said above, there are people throughout the Middle East and Arabia with obvious African heritage, and people in southern Europe with North African heritage. People who are close together will inevitably mix.

For what it's worth, the Egyptians appear to have painted themselves less dark than Kushites further up the Nile, but also significantly darker than (presumably Berber) Libyans from Mediterranean North Africa and Semitics (e.g. Hebrews and Arabs) from the Middle East. The former distinction doesn't have to make them necessarily "non-black" though, anymore than southernmost African Khoisan are "less black" than equatorial Congolese due to having lighter skin; Africans can vary in skin tone just like "Caucasoids".
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I've always said, its probably a safe assumption that ancient Egyptians had a similar range of skin tones to modern Egyptians and people living in surrounding areas like Libya, Sudan, Palestine, etc. Egyptians range from 'wheat' coloured (that is seriously a term I've heard Egyptians use) to brown to fair skinned. I fail to see how that doesn't reflect what we see in artwork.

That said, the opinion that modern Egyptians are all "Arabs" whose ancestors wiped out or drove off the natives is most probably offensive bunk. I would say the situation was more similar to Latin America, where you had the invaders assimilating into the native gene pool (but with more time and no smallpox of course).

Not to mention that the Copts have a continuous history going back to the arrival of Christianity. They even use a modern form of Egyptian in their liturgies. I don't know how much more 'Egyptian' you can get than speaking EGYPTIAN in your church services. But yes most 'Arab' Egyptians have at least some Coptic ancestry (and likely Greek, Turkish, Berber, Circassian, Armenian, Nubian, Persian, Assyrian, Macedonian, Roman, Hittite, etc. depending on how far back we want to go; hell Muhammad Ali Paşa was of ALBANIAN descent of all things).
 

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Hoo boy, historical revisionists. I'm amazed it took this long for them to get a thread.

Out of all types of historical revisionism, Afro-centrism confuses me the most. The most avowed Afro-centrists claim that before colonization, Africans built powerful empires and cities far greater than anything the West had ever seen, were beacons of tolerance and progressivism, and contributed more to science, math, and collective human knowledge than any whiteys ever did... But they still managed to get enslaved and conquered by primitive, backwards honkeys with almost no resistance.

I'm not at all justifying slavery or colonialism, but seriously, how can anyone claim all those things but then then turn around and blame white people for everything?
 

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Love this thread, hate these assholes.

I would argue its even richer than Europe for several reasons. Africa is a much larger continent and larger population base, with five major language families that are entirely unrelated. Also unlike Europe, many African civilizations continued their traditional religions until very recently, if they stopped practicing them at all. We have very little idea of how the pagan Greeks worshipped their gods, let alone the Celts, Slavs or Dacians, but we know a great deal about the Zande and their beliefs.

I think the reason you'll never see Tumblrites mention this is because, surprise surprise, many of these legends are "patriarchal" or "oppressive" in the way they hate and they don't want to deal with that. They sure love to talk about how African culture was wiped out and obliterated but ask them to name parts of that culture specifically and they'll draw a blank or perform some kind of absurd mental gymnastics about how it's not "problematic." It's like what you mentioned about the homophobia in Africa. They just kind of sweep it under the rug and never point out how hypocritical it makes them.
 

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I'm surprised they didn't mention how nearly all the gods were rapists, even the black/disabled/pansexual ones. And that a lot of the goddesses were guilty of massive victim blaming. (Oh, my husband raped you? Let me horribly curse you and destroy your life.) And that Athena was viewed as "safe" because she was a virgin, and wouldn't have any children that might eventually take over from their fathers. And that Greek mythology is, overall, nearly as sexist as Holden is.
Gee, it's almost like people living in the Mediterranean area well over 2000 years ago had very alien ideas about gender and sexuality. How can anyone be this damn stupid?

found this wee slice of consolidated tumblr:
Hello! I'm doing research for a potential story set in Anglo-Saxon England. I'm featuring queer characters, characters with physical disabilities, characters with mental illnesses, and ethnically I'm including Anglo-Saxons, Celts, and Scandinavians, but I know there were plenty of PoC and I want to include them; however, I'm (unsurprisingly) having trouble finding information. I was wondering if you had any resources about PoC in England specific to the Anglo-Saxon period. Thank you! ^_^

the answer they got was pretty reasonable but the question makes my head twirl!
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How the fuck is this nigga functional? Seriously, what the fuck? "Anglo-Saxon England was a multicultural tolerant paradise where fags, cripples, and spastics were totally not left for dead and there were black people everywhere".
What the fuck am I reading, how does this person not understand how far England and Africa were in the Anglo-Saxon era? How does she propose that people from Africa get to England?
If she actually writes a retarded PC story about the liberal utopia of Briton 930 AD, I'm going to parody it by rewriting it how cripples, fags, and tards would actually function in the time period.
 

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With an avatar like that, I'm kind of amazed Grand Galactic Jay got a response at all.

He's a megaphone.

Black Israelites are like professional trolls, or so @Ron Paul 2024 tells me.

Can confirm. At least, the ones who dress up like wizards and preach racial supremacy and separation on the street corners.
The ones in Israel are pretty chill. So were the ones I met in college.