Historical Revisionists

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Hoo boy, historical revisionists. I'm amazed it took this long for them to get a thread.

Out of all types of historical revisionism, Afro-centrism confuses me the most. The most avowed Afro-centrists claim that before colonization, Africans built powerful empires and cities far greater than anything the West had ever seen, were beacons of tolerance and progressivism, and contributed more to science, math, and collective human knowledge than any whiteys ever did... But they still managed to get enslaved and conquered by primitive, backwards honkeys with almost no resistance.

I'm not at all justifying slavery or colonialism, but seriously, how can anyone claim all those things but then then turn around and blame white people for everything?

A lot of alternative historians remind me Jon Stewart's "Lupus of News" criticism of Fox News. Stewart claimed that Fox detected a slight liberal bias in mainstream news and drowned it in crazy conservatism. Likewise these people, probably legitimately, detect Eurocentrism in a lot of "mainstream" history and drown it in batshit.

As far as how some would say Africans were the founders of some Indian empire, the only ground the African thing would hold (and this would no doubt be a wild guess) is that for those that know of evolution in how humans came about, the pre-human ancestor was from Africa and its offspring migrated through the world. While in a way we are all African through that one pre-human ancestor, an SJW using that would still fall since as mentioned, it had offspring that migrated out of Africa.

If you believe that your version of history has been supressed you have a different standard of evidence.

Suppose they read about some guy in indian history. Most sources say he is Indian. But that evidence is completely inconclusive, since if he were black, that fact would be covered up.

One source calls him black. Most of us figure that there is some explanation: weird translation, description of a dark complexion, description of a personality trait. But you conclude that is conclusive evidence he must be black.

Basically, you go in with the hypothesis that if any major character in world history was actually black (or a woman, or somethine else) that fact would be covered up. So you would expect most sources to hide it but maybe one source might let it slip through. Thus when you see one slightly contradictory thing, you see that as exact confirmation of your hypothesis.
 

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A lot of alternative historians remind me Jon Stewart's "Lupus of News" criticism of Fox News. Stewart claimed that Fox detected a slight liberal bias in mainstream news and drowned it in crazy conservatism. Likewise these people, probably legitimately, detect Eurocentrism in a lot of "mainstream" history and drown it in batshit.



If you believe that your version of history has been supressed you have a different standard of evidence.

Suppose they read about some guy in indian history. Most sources say he is Indian. But that evidence is completely inconclusive, since if he were black, that fact would be covered up.

One source calls him black. Most of us figure that there is some explanation: weird translation, description of a dark complexion, description of a personality trait. But you conclude that is conclusive evidence he must be black.

Basically, you go in with the hypothesis that if any major character in world history was actually black (or a woman, or somethine else) that fact would be covered up. So you would expect most sources to hide it but maybe one source might let it slip through. Thus when you see one slightly contradictory thing, you see that as exact confirmation of your hypothesis.

That has a really simple name; Confirmation Bias

You'd think most students would learn about it in High School but I guess independent thinking is frowned upon now.
 

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But this isn't limited to white nationalists. There was an Indian pseudo-historian named P.N. Oak whose 'Institute for Rewriting Indian History' claimed that both Christianity and Islam originated as perversions of Vedic beliefs and that Vedic civilisations built everything, including the Vatican. He's kind of infamous in Indian academia, although worringly he did get some support from the conspiracy-esque fringes of the Hindutva movement.

You could do an entire thread about Vedic revisionism.

There's some stuff I've read that aims to overplay the savagery of the Mughals and the Sultanates in order to demonize Islam, but the more interesting stuff is stuff about Sanskrit being the 'mother of all languages' and the scientific revisionism.

The linguistic stuff mostly says that sanskrit is either the root of all languages (which is nonsense) or the root of all proto-indo-european languages (which is wrong but slightly more credible)

The scientific stuff is where the fun bits are. Hindu nationalists like to claim that all modern science was encoded in Hinduism, which gives us shit like this:

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Another big shitshow here is surrounding the history of the Vimana, which in Hindu mythology is a kind of flying chariot. Obviously, this is great news for ancient aliens types who believe it's actually an ancient UFO or something.

In the 1950s, some con man claimed that he had received visions from an ancient Hindu mystic who made him write the Vaimanika Shastra, a supposed flight manual. We were, apparently, supposed to believe this piece of shit would ever get off the ground.
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I also wouldn't say these sorts of views are fringe -- when the leader of 1/6th of the world's population makes a public statement that the presence of an elephant-headed god in Hindu mythology is proof of ancient genetic engineering, I'd say it's found some traction.

And the Vimanas? Well, there was a presentation on them during the 2015 Indian Science Congress. I know countries aren't supposed to be lolcows, but still...

EDIT: Maybe this would be better suited for the general lolcow board? We seem to have branched out past tumblr.
 
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The scientific stuff is where the fun bits are. Hindu nationalists like to claim that all modern science was encoded in Hinduism, which gives us shit like this:

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Credit where it's due though, this idea was actually proposed first by a westerner famous for bizarre and often artificial interpretations of eastern religions, the esotericist and fringe nutcase Helena Blavatsky. (Incidentally, for people who aren't aware of this, she is where a lot of the Nazis' ideas of the "Aryan Race" and use of the swastika originated from, though she was admittedly not as racist). However, that by no means absolves these Hindu nationalists of propagating this pseudo-science.
 
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We've discussed in detail on other threads how tumblr took the fringe views held by a radical minority of sociologists and feminists in regards to race and gender and fashioned from the dregs of academia the privilege economy and logic defying mental gymnastics to justify blatant racism and sexism.

What we haven't talked about quite so much is what they do with the more senior social science that is history.

As anyone who studies history can tell you watching for confirmation bias is something every good historian struggles with, a good historian actively tries to exclude their own bias and determine the truth of the past from the surviving evidence. However there has always been a certain strain of unscrupulous or downright dishonest academics who deliberately conform to a certain bias as they know it will secure them funding/sell books. These people have in the past come from all across the political spectrum and their works used to justify all sorts of myriad claims.

I mention this because while still fringe these people have a reasonably large internet and literacy footprint compared to the radical left that infected tumblr. Consequently our little psuedo marxist tumblrinas find plenty of material on the web proving that actually black people invented everything and white people have never accomplished anything while simultaneously controlling the world and being the root of all the worlds problems.

A typical example of conformation bias compounded by tumblr racism and lack of critical skills is reading any mention of people as 'dark' as meaning black- because all non whites are the same dontcha know. Completely ignoring the context and that europeans have been referring to those among them with black hair as 'dark' for centuries.

The tumblrites never question or examine a source that agrees with them; they just happily skim read it and then accept what they've remembered (often badly) as gospel truth. The insecurity and implied racism behind that attitude is hilarious. the posts are typically quite long so ill copy paste a few below and link to archives rather than screencapping:

Isn't it ironic, that black ppl created the sciences that make the modern world possible. But are trapped by the wealth of knowledge that we gave europeans that they now use to INSLAVE us?!?
#lol#but dat shit aint funny yo#racism#history#blackhistory
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5 Ancient Black Civilizations That Were Not in Africa
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The Minoans Ancient Greece

Archaeologist Manfred Bietak conducted extensive research on ancient Greek civilizations and their connections to ancient Egypt. Bietak unearthed evidence from artwork as early as 7000 B.C. that depicts the early people inhabiting Greece were of African descent.

The Minoan culture of Ancient Greece reached its peak at about 1600 B.C. They were known for their vibrant cities, opulent palaces and established trade connections. Minoan artwork is recognized as a major era of visual achievement in art history. Pottery, sculptures and frescoes from the Minoan Bronze age grace museum displays all over the world. Palace ruins indicate remnants of paved roads and piped water systems.


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Indus Kush Civilization

On March 3, 2000, historian Runoko Rashidi gave a lecture in Honolulu, Hawaii, about the presence of Black people in ancient and modern India. He stated that the face of India changed around 2000 B.C. when nomadic people Indo-Europeans or Aryans traveled to the Innis Valley and other fertile locations in southern India.

Prior to the invasion, Blacks in India built rich and advanced civilizations. Author Wayne Chandler recanted his amazing discoveries about Blacks in ancient India in his book “African Presence in Early Asia.” The remarkable cities of Harrappa and Mohenjo-daro are only two of the many cities built by Black people. These cities cover large regions of northern India and modern-day Pakistan.


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Ancient Mexico

The Olmecs were an ancient civilization in the Americas. Researchers such as Rashidi, Ivan Van Sertima and Alexander Von Wuthenau have discovered and shared evidence showing that the original inhabitants of Mexico were of African descent. The Olmecs were no different from people found in the Mende regions of West Africa.

Best known for carving the colossal stone heads that date back to 1100 B.C., more evidence of their existence before European explorers has been found. The Olmecs built pyramid-like structures made of mud in Mexico. They were also very artistic and created terracotta art that displayed common activities like pottery-making and wrestling. To add to their achievements, the Olmec people developed a calendar system around 3100 B.C.

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Shang Dynasty of Ancient China

In a genetic study published in the “Proceedings of the National Academy of Science Genetic,” researchers found evidence showing the first African arrived in China about 60,000 years ago. Researcher and population geneticist Li Jin states, “Our work shows that modern humans first came to southeast Asia and then moved later to northern China. This supports the idea that modern humans originated in Africa.”

A 2009 published essay from the “Light Words from the Dark Continent; A Collection of Essays,” by Nibs Ra and Manu Amun, offers insight to early Chinese civilizations. It states that the first documented governance in China was headed by the Shang or Chiang dynasty in 1500-1000 B.C. King T’ang or Ta, founder of the Shang dynasty, was of African descent. The Shang were also called Nakhi, which literally means “Black” (Na) and “Man” (khi). King T’ang and the Shang dynasty were responsible for unifying China to form their first civilization.

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Ancient Mesopotamia

Many scholars have concluded that the founders of the first Mesopotamian civilization were Black Sumerians. Mesopotamia was the Biblical land of Shinar (Sumer), which sprung up around 3000 B.C.

After deciphering the cuneiform script and researching ancient Mesopotamia for many years Henry Rawlinson (1810-1895) discovered that the founders of the civilization were of Kushite (Cushite) origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black people who called themselves sag-gig-ga or “Black Heads.”

John Baldwin wrote in his book “PreHistoric Nations” (1869): “The early colonists of Babylonia were of the same race as the inhabitants of the Upper Nile.”

This was corroborated by other scholars including, Chandra Chakaberty, who asserted in his book “A Study in Hindu Social Polity” that “based on the statuaries and steles of Babylonia, the Sumerians were “of dark complexion (chocolate colour), short stature, but of sturdy frame, oval face, stout nose, straight hair, full head; they typically resembled the Dravidians, not only in cranium, but almost in all the details.”

Sources:

(PreHistoric Nations by John D. Baldwin, New York: Harper & Brothers, 1869, pg. 192)
(A Study in Hindu Social Polity by Chandra Chakaberty, Delhi: Mittal Publications, 1987, pg. 33)
(From Babylon to Timbuktu by Rudolph R. Windsor. Atlanta: Windsor’s Golden Series, 2203)

http://www.alternet.org

http://www.africaresource.com

http://realhistoryww.com

http://en.wikipedia.org

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History of the word Nigger(a,a's)


Amazing how good words turn into bad. Tha’s the REAL harm of an Eurocentric mind set- Which means one way thinking. **smile** My goal is to have an more Afrocentric mind set- Which simply means being able to gain/see in an broader sense.

I’m accustomed to going to the origins of such words and comprehend how such words transform.

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THE WORD „N-G-R” MEANS „GOD” IN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN

The father of the „n” word was the word used by the ancient Egyptians for „God.” That word was „N-g-r” and as one can see, there are no vowels in this word. In the ancient African and even the present African languages (the Afro-Asiatic linguistic family) vowels such as „a, e, i, o, u” are not found in many translations, particularly of ancient Hebrew and Egyptian languages.

In the translation of ancient Egyptian and Hebrew (which is heavily influenced by Egyptian), one will not always find vowels, therefore, very few people will realize that the word for God, which is „N-g-r” pronounced „en-ger” was the Egyptian word for God. In fact, the Egyptian word for „nature,” is also the word used for God. That word is „ntyr,” (pronounced net-jer. „Now prounce the word” nigg.. „and the word” net-jer,“ and one sees the clear connection.

(Remember the above in red. As it’s useful as you study Egyptian culture practices as it relates to Gods.)

MANY AFRICAN WORDS DENOTING PEOPLE OR IMPORTANT PEOPLE STARTS WITH „N”

In many African languages particularly the Niger-Congo language family. Words that connects with people, Gods, and groups begin with „n” and that word is always the first word. For instance, the word „Nkosi” in Xhosa is „God.” The word „Ndaba,” in another South African language is „counsil” (or gathering of elders). Many common names also begin with „N”.

WORDS OF AFRICAN ORIGINS THAT CAME FROM THE ORIGINAL WORD, „N-G-R” (PROUNOUNCED EN-JER)

N-g-r (Egyptian;pronounced en-jer) = God
N-t-y-r (Egypt; pronounced net-ger) = God, Devine
Negash (Ethiopia; ne-gash) = King
Negus (Ethiopia; ne-goos) = Emperor
Nkosi (Xhosa; en-kosi) = God
Ndaba (Zulu; en-daba) = Counsil/Officials,
Naga (East Indian, Nubian = People
Nugarmarta (West African = People (See the writings of Ibn Buttata’s journey to West Africa)

HOW THE N BECAME CORRUPTED

The Romans are probably the first Europeans to misrepresent the word for God, which was „N-g-r”
About the early part of the First Century, Romans tried to invade Ethiopia. (see BLACK HISTORY CHARThttp://community.webtv.net/nubianem/…ldnubianempire or go tohttp://community.webtv.net/paulnubiaempire for a list of Nubian Pharaohs and Queens.

The Romans who were speakers of Latin always knew of Blacks, there were Blacks in Rome, Italy had an ancient Black presence long before the Latins migrated from Central Asia and North Eastern Europe during the ‘Aryan’ migrations. In fact, the Latin ethnic groups is still in existance in the northern part of Italy even today. This part of Italy still grips about Hannibal’s invasion which happened about two thousand two hundred years ago!!!

The Romans had a name for Blacks, it was „Niger” and it meant Black or people of African origins. Thus, Septimus Niger would have meant, Septimus the Negro. Yet, how did the Romans connect the word „Niger” to Black.

In ancient times, Blacks were worshipped as Gods. The Gods of Greece came from Egypt. The worship of the Black Madonna is connected with the worship of Isis, the Egyptian Goddes. Moreover, Blacks in Egypt called their Pharaohs „En-ger” or „N-g-r” he was literally referred to as „THE GOD.”

It is very possible that when the Romans tried to invade Nubia, they asked for the name of the God and the term „N-g-r” was probably used in place of „leader” or „king”. In Angola, the same also happened during the 1600’s when the word „N-gola” which means „King” (notice the „N” and the „g” in this word as well), came to be "Angola,’ the name of a kingdom in south western Africa.
(Read more on Nubian, Egyptian, West African and ancient American trade and commercial connections in ancient times; see the book, „Susu Economics: The History of Pan-African Trade, Commerce, Money and Wealth,” published by 1stBooks Library,www.1stbooks.com also seewww.barnesandnoble.com

WHERE DID THE ROMANS FIRST HEAR THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THE „N” WORD.

A Roman general invading Nubia from Egypt would probably have used the Egyptian term for Pharaoh, which was „N-g-r” (God). This term then was used to refer to all Blacks and as time went by, the word N-g-r became Niger. In Fact, the Romans also classified their Emperors as „Gods,” to follow the Egyptian style. Moreover, as the History Channel poointed out, „Rome was a collection of villages before the Egyptians built it up.”(paraphrased).
The word „em-peror” sounds very close to the word „en-jer.” That is not a coincidental connection.

THE WORD „N-G-R” (EN-JER) AFTER IT WAS CORRUPTED BY THE EUROPEANS

Niger = (Latin or Black/African pronounced „ni-ger.”)

Nero = Italian for Black
Negre = French for Black
Negro = Spanish for Black
The English called Blacks „Moore” or „Black-a-Moore” before they began using the word
„Negro” to refer to Blacks. FROM THAT WORD CAME THE RACIAL EPITHET, „NIGG..”

In like manner, the racist term for Japanese the mutilation of the word to shorten it into an epithet. Furthermore, the original name for Japan is the Chinese „Ni-Han.” Now here is another great mystry that people who study the Niger-Congo linguistic family would quickly notice. EVEN THE WORD „Ni” in the Chinese „Ni-Han,” has and ancient African connection. In fact, as Clyde Walters points out, The Chinese language is directly related to the Niger-Congo language which has its roots in the Cameroon region of Africa. In fact, there are thousands of African words from Cameroon to Kenya that have both prefixes and suffixes that are identical to both Chinese and Japanese languages (see also African Presence in Early Asia, by Ivan Van Sertima; Transaction Publishers)

In the Case of „Ni-Han” which may mean „rising sun,” there is also a sacred meaning that is found in the word „n-ger,” or „ne-gro.” Yet, the racist terms „nip,” and „nigg…” or „jap,” used by racists were and are being used without any understanding of their original meanings. Only hatred and envy comes out of the mouths of those who use racial epithets in their attempt to insult and denegrade others. However, it is up to us to study our history and make these racist words impotent, while at the same time, understanding their original meaning.

Connection with the prefix „ni” with sacred and life:

Ni'le = The Nile River, Life to the Egyptians

Ni-ger = River in West Africa
Niger = Nation in West Africa
Nigeria = Nation in West Africa

Nago = Racist term used by some SE Asians to refer to Black Melanesians of Africoid origins

Nago-Mina = African nationality in Nigeria

Naghual = Aztec word for Shaman or priest. The first Olmec Shamans in Mexico came from Nigeria and elsewhere in West Africa (see Black Civilizations of Americahttp://community.webtv.net/paulnubiaempire



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Spirit Science Lesson 12: The Human History Story


And we are back to Spirit Science for the Amazing conclusion of Season 1. As we will see in this 5 part episode, the story of Human History is not what we know. Modern society tells us that we just evolved from monkeys thousands of years ago and now here we are. But if our evolution was so natural, why is everything so broken and screwed up? Through communication with Astral Entities, along with many ancient texts across all religions, as well as many other sources, we have begun to see our history is not what we know. This 5 part episode is the Human History story according to the Atlantean being known as Thoth. Now, were not saying “THIS” is what happened in our history. This is only Thoth’s perception of it. That may even lead us to ask, who is Thoth…?

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I should mention that i did see considerably more normal and reasonable people in the history tag than the feminism one which is perhaps to be expected.

tumblrs atrocious formatting meant i only skimmed the surface, I'm sure our regular tumblr users can find much more #realhistory!

Oh shit, finally someone covers this faggotry. You might not be aware, but Age of Empires 2 had a fucking invasion of these assholes back in the day, around the time the Forgotten expansion came out and added several eastern European, western European, and Mesoamerican civilizations, as well as a few Arabic ones. Suddenly, we had a barrage of the perpetually-offended on the forums demanding to know why the game wasn't culturally-accurate in a game where the Huns could fight the Japanese in the Age of Exploration. This was crazy enough, but it hit full-blown nuts when these same loons started calling various units being certain civilizations in the campaign mode cultural appropriation, because god forbid we not discuss this shit in a game in which the Magyars can invade and besiege the Incas.

This lasted for about 2 weeks, at which point the userbase flooded WOLOLO jokes and the Tumblristas eventually left in defeat.
 

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Hallelujah! So glad to see this thread. Finally, the perfect spot to corral all my ancient Egypt sperging. :biggrin:

The thing that always baffles me about the "all Egyptians were black!" crowd is that they never seem to talk about the mummies. A statue carved of black basalt or black marble is enough to send them into multi-level epic conspiracy theories about coverups and the Sphinx getting its nose shot off to make it look less African, but the ancient Egyptians were kind enough to actually preserve their own bodies for us--and nary a word about it. Are they all just triggered by corpse photos or something?
 

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Spirit Science Lesson 12: The Human History Story


And we are back to Spirit Science for the Amazing conclusion of Season 1. As we will see in this 5 part episode, the story of Human History is not what we know. Modern society tells us that we just evolved from monkeys thousands of years ago and now here we are. But if our evolution was so natural, why is everything so broken and screwed up? Through communication with Astral Entities, along with many ancient texts across all religions, as well as many other sources, we have begun to see our history is not what we know. This 5 part episode is the Human History story according to the Atlantean being known as Thoth. Now, were not saying “THIS” is what happened in our history. This is only Thoth’s perception of it. That may even lead us to ask, who is Thoth…?

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Oh for fuck's sake, Spirit Science. I've heard plenty from these assholes as I've had to live with someone they've indoctrinated. These idiots believe all photos from space are photoshopped because lizard people/the Illuminati have encased the world in a metal dome with an indestructible tv on the inside that shows the sky. They also like to preach about some big event that will happen soon* that will change everyone's race/gender/sexual orientation/species/etc because reasons. I would've made a thread about them but the sheer idiocy coming from their Youtube channel makes me froth with a-loggy rage. And froth isn't good for my keyboard.

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I think a lot of things are really nasty to say, and people are just not willing to say them.

For example, The German Revolt and attempted coup by communists was almost all jewish.
Who did the new party round up? In no way shape or form does it justify anything but when you say this, people read it as anti sematic. It's not.

Sadly people I think are just far too gone to seperate fact from feeling and now we need to sheild people's wants over what really happened. No matter how many books I read or how much I huff and puff could I bring back the Roman empire for example, so why can't we admit it fell?
If you are referring to the November-Revolution, you just gave a good example for a wide-spread conspiracy theory wich has been used for anti-semitic propaganda ever-since.

I'm too lazy to write down all the arguments against this theory because it's basic-bullshit 101 but for those willing to read, I will at least post the regarding articles on wikipedia:
 

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I also wouldn't say these sorts of views are fringe -- when the leader of 1/6th of the world's population makes a public statement that the presence of an elephant-headed god in Hindu mythology is proof of ancient genetic engineering, I'd say it's found some traction.

I was hoping you'd weigh in on this. I admit I was being optimistic. I know the Hindutva movement has some pretty crazy corners but I thought anybody who attained political leadership usually had those corners sanded off by necessity. I mean, I always knew Modi was contemptible, I just didn't know he was that kind of contemptible.
 

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I was hoping you'd weigh in on this. I admit I was being optimistic. I know the Hindutva movement has some pretty crazy corners but I thought anybody who attained political leadership usually had those corners sanded off by necessity. I mean, I always knew Modi was contemptible, I just didn't know he was that kind of contemptible.
Wow. They put one satellite around Mars and suddenly they're the greatest inventors in history.

The whole idea of historical revisionism really disgusts me. The fact that it will likely be tolerated and encouraged only makes it worse. It will always be used to political ends and to further someone's agenda.
They don't care about history at all. They want a story and a propaganda piece they can spin to the masses.
 

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I'm at work at the moment so can only post briefly at my lunch break but I was thinking last night about older crazy history claims, namely those used in medieval regal myths and often argued in the papal courts as dukes, princes and kings argued their 'right' to attack fellow Christian princes.

these myths were often elaborate ties to antiquity constructed to rival the very real claims of the Carpet's house to the 'paladins' of the Frankish empire by linking to the even more ancient and prestigious classical heroes. These claims were seriously argued and considered true for a time at least.

Among the more amusing examples that I can recall is the Case of Baldred Bisset who in the early 1300's was sent to argue the legal case for scottish independence in front of the papal curia. His argument was later recorded in the scotichronicon a 15th century work detailing the countries history- if memory serves me right the proposition is that the ancient picts were scythians who, fleeing attila, migrated to scotland. the scots (that is the dal riadan irish kindom) were a tribe of egyptions and when the jews left Israel and headed east were lead west by an egytpian princess called Scota who lead them to Ireland and from there eventually Scotland. The stone of destiny was supposedly taken by Scota off the pyramids on her way out- beginning a long tradition of stealing anything that isn't nailed down and being outraged when the same behaviour is repeated towards ourselves ;)

the delaration of arbroath contains reference to this here:
Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous

the irish have a similiar myth about scota and claim she had two sons Galasomething from which we get gael and Hiber from which Hibernia. the english had one linking them to first Brutus and then Troy. I believe there was an irish myth linking them to iberia and then carthage.

I mention these medieval myths because: 1. they are amusing in and of themselves, 2 It is interesting trying to work out where they came from and how local medieval cultures mingled their myths and legends with those they encountered on the continent, also some of these myths have tiny kernels of truth to them- the irish possibly did migrate from iberia,

and 3. some people still believe these myths are true.
Most notably the former owner of Harrods: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Al-Fayed
Now mr Al fayed is a conspiracy nutt and believes all sorts of nonsense but the internet is filled with similiar nutts spouting these myths as facts.

Including snowflakes on tumblr as its an easy way to be a poc- whats that ms Mckay? Oh no you aren't of evil white scottish, descent you are an egyptian:
The Scotichronicon describes how Scota of Egypt, fled her family and landed in Scotland, bringing with her the Stone of Scone. According to the chronicle, Scotland was later named in her honour. The tale is disputed by modern historians.[23] Mohammad Al-Fayed declared that “The Scots are originally Egyptians and that’s the truth.” [24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scota

I think this must be true!!! I mean, I have Scottish ancestry on one side of my family… but, according to that toe chart on the internet, my toes are EGYPTIAN

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Hate on me and my Egyptian feets!

#ancient egypt#scotland#scota#tehehe
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The History of Princess Scota (ESI 1999)

Irish history records the story about Scota, the daughter of Pharaoh of Egypt who arrived in the southern part of Ireland between 4,000 and 3,500 years ago. She took on the trade route, sailing in search of the new world. She travelled to Spain from the Delta, by means of an Egyptian ship. She settled in the country of Kerry (south-western part of Ireland) and married Milesius and gave him eight sons.

Milesius, an invader from Spain, came to Ireland to conquest the ancient tribes and to take the kingdoms from Tuatha-De-Danaans. MacCuill, Mac Ceacht and Mac Greine fought in a long bloody battle about three miles from Tralee. Not only did the Danaan princes die in the battle of Tralee but also Scota the warrior Queen of the invaders was also killed. It seems that her sons Heremon and Heber were the only surviors of Milesius ruling family and that they divided the country between them. One took the north and the other the south. Then they inevitably quarrelled and Heber was slain.


Scota is buried on the sloped mountains in view of Tralee Bay at a place called Glenscoheen (Scota’s Glenn). Irish archaeologists have not yet carried out any investigation on the site, which consists of woodland and natural rocks. The Ordnance Survey of Ireland has shown the actual location of the burial of Scota.



Other references records;



The Shell Guide to Ireland, J. Mitchell (1989)
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…….Alias Scota’s Glen; a bogus ogham inscription and a flagstone marks Scota’s grave. Scota according to a pedantic fiction was the widow of Milesius whose people - the prehistoric Gaelic invaders of Ireland, waged a great battle with the mythological Tuatha De Danaan at the foot of Slieve Mish. Scota and another Milesian princess Fais were among the slain.


On Ireland The Land and the People - Tour One, Donald Cowie (1994)

…….. The road continued to Tralee, and on the way a visit can be made to Scots’s Glen. Thousands of years ago according to tradition but nothing else, the Milesius came from Spain headed by their fierce Queen Scota maybe daughter of an Egyptian Pharaoh. Her name eventually christened Scotland, some of whose inhabitants may similarly have descended from those early invaders. The nature and magical Danaans of Ireland were utterly defeated by the Milesius in a battle at the foot of these Slieve Mish mountains but Scota herself lost her life and was buried here, presumably under a flagstone that is still shown.



Please see - The History of the Kingdom of Kerry published in 1890, which refers to this story.

It is stated here that there is a great tradition in Kerry of both written and oral accounts and the earliest mention of this story appears the “Annals of the Four Masters” (compiled at a Franciscan monastery in Donegal by Franciscan friars).


“The age of the world 3500. The fleet of the sons of Milidh came to Ireland at the end of this year, to take it from the Tuatha-De-Dannans, and they fought the battle of Sliabh Mis with them on the third year after landing. In this battle fell Scota, the daughter of Pharaoh, wife of Milidh; and the grave of Scota is (to be seen) between Sliabh Mis and the sea. Therein also fell Fas, the wife of Un, son of Uige, from whom is (named) Glenn-Faisi. After that the sons of Milidh fought a battle at Tailtenn, against the three kings of the Tuatha-De-Dannans, Mac Cuill, Mac Ceacht, and Mac Greine. The battle lasted a long time, until Mac Ceacht fell by Eiremhon, Mac Cuill by Eimhear, and Mac Greine by Amhergin”.

In the “Chronicum Scotorum” the same account is given but in greaterdetail.


“Milidh, son of Bile, proceeded then from Spain to Scythia to Egypt, after the slaying of Reflor, son of Neman (as it is found in the Invasions of Erinn); and understand not that it was soon after the death of Nel in Egypt, but many years, indeed, after, after it, that Milidh departed from Scythia, after the slaying of Reflor, contending for the sovereignty of Scythia. His great fleet consisted of one hundred ships, as the vellum relates from which this copy has been drawn; fifteen families in each ship, and soldiers without wives in it besides. They remained three months in the island of Taprobane (now Sri Lanka). Three months more, also, they were on the Red Sea, until they came to Pharaoh, the king of Egypt. They remained eight years with Pharaoh in Egypt, where they propaged their various arts and various actions. Scota’s Pharaoh’s daughter, married Milidh, son of Bile. After that Milidh went with his host on the great sea (and Scota, Pharaoh’s daughter, along with him), past the island of Taprobane, in which they stayed a month. They rowed afterwards round Scythia to the "Inbher” of the Caspian Sea. The remained three nomada motionless on the Caspian Sea, through the chanting of mermaids, until Caicher, the druid, rescued them. They voyaged afterwards past the point of Sliabh Rife, from the north, until they landed in Dacia. They stayed a month there. Caicher, the druid, said to them, “we shall not stay until we reach Erinn”.

They subsequently passed by Gothia, by Germany, to Bregaun, until they occupied Spain. It was uninhabited on their arrival. They remained there thirty years, and fought fifty-four battles against Frisians, and Longobards, and Backru; and they were all gained by Milidh, son of Bile. For the right of Spain these battles were fought, and hence he was called “Milidh of Spain”. And it was in it Milidh’s two sons, Eremon and h-Erennan, were born. These were the two youngest. The two eldest were Donn and Ebhir; for in the east, in Scythia, Donn was born, and Ebhir in Egypt.

Twelve families died of the plague in one day in Spain, together with their three kings, viz, Milidh, son of Bile, Uige, and Oige. Forty-seven families and four soldiers went with the sons of Milidh, and with Scota, Pharaoh’s daughter, on the sea to Erinn. They subsequently proceeded to land in Erinn at Inbher Slaini. They sailed round Erinn thrice, until they finally came to Inbher Sgene. Erenan, the youngest of Milidh’s sons, went up into the mast to see how far they were from land. He was drowned there, so that his limbs were severed on the rocks, and, in dying, his head was placed on his mother’s breast and gave forth a sigh. “No wonder” said his mother “Erenan’s going between two Inbhers; but he reached not the Inbher to which he came; he separated from the Inbher from which he came”. In that day there was a terrible storm, and the ship which was Donn, son of Milidh, with fifty men, twelve women, and four soldiers, was cast away, so that they were drowned at the Dumacha in the western sea called Tech n-Duinn, on Thursday, the kalends of May, on the 17th of the moon. The fleet of the sons of Milidh occupied Erinn at Inbher Sgene, and the wife of Aimergin Gluingel, i.e. Sgene Davilsir, died there, and her grave was made there; hence it was called Inbher Sgene. Erannan’s grave was placed on the other side. The third day after the occupation of Erinn by the sons of Milidh, they fought the battle of Sliabh Mis against demons and Fomerians, and the sons of Milidh gained it, and they assumed the sovereignty of Erinn very soon afterwards.

The above relates to the written tradition but what of oral tradition?

The grave of Scota still remains, and has been pointed out from age to age by unlettered country folk, who knew nothing about written records and whose orally transmitted knowledge is their tithe of evidence to the great events of long past ages. The grave lies between Slieve Mis and the sea at Glenscoheen, in the townland of Clahane, in the parish of Annagh and the borony of Troughanacmy.

Fas the wife of Un also died in Kerry in the valley of Gleann Faisi, now called Glenafaish. Donn and his companions were shipwrecked in Kenmare Bay (Inver Sceine); and still Irish speaking people will show you a range of rocks which they call Teach-Dhoinn or Donn’s house.
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I'm at work at the moment so can only post briefly at my lunch break but I was thinking last night about older crazy history claims, namely those used in medieval regal myths and often argued in the papal courts as dukes, princes and kings argued their 'right' to attack fellow Christian princes.

More contemporary, but still noticeably, in the 17th century British politicians theorised that Parliament had a Roman origin. Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of British Kings is full of pleasinrg fictions, not least the idea that 'Britain' owes its name to a Roman Consul called Brutus (not that Brutus, but just as silly) who was in turn a descendant of Aenas of Troy. While it's debatable whether Geoffrey intended his work to be taken seriously as a historical study, lots of his successors did. In both cases, they were tying to tie British institutions and conventions to the more fashionable Greco-Roman world, despite the connection being quite tenuous, rather than their actual Celtic-Germanic origins, which were not especially fashionable in the Hellenophilic world of the late Renaissance.

Wow. They put one satellite around Mars and suddenly they're the greatest inventors in history.

Just like the black Egyptians, it'd be easy to write a history of all the things Indians have invented, but the Vatican wouldn't be one of them.

For the most I agree, though exactly what constitutes "black" isn't necessarily clear cut given the socially constructed nature of race.

Yeah, that's why I was careful to say they would look black, to us rather than that they were black. I'm sure the ancient Egyptians had no concept of themselves as belonging to a black race. I just mean, if your average ancient Egyptian farmer got magically transported to 1950s Atlanta, he'd better get used to riding at the back of the bus.
 
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I'm at work at the moment so can only post briefly at my lunch break but I was thinking last night about older crazy history claims, namely those used in medieval regal myths and often argued in the papal courts as dukes, princes and kings argued their 'right' to attack fellow Christian princes.

these myths were often elaborate ties to antiquity constructed to rival the very real claims of the Carpet's house to the 'paladins' of the Frankish empire by linking to the even more ancient and prestigious classical heroes. These claims were seriously argued and considered true for a time at least.

Among the more amusing examples that I can recall is the Case of Baldred Bisset who in the early 1300's was sent to argue the legal case for scottish independence in front of the papal curia. His argument was later recorded in the scotichronicon a 15th century work detailing the countries history- if memory serves me right the proposition is that the ancient picts were scythians who, fleeing attila, migrated to scotland. the scots (that is the dal riadan irish kindom) were a tribe of egyptions and when the jews left Israel and headed east were lead west by an egytpian princess called Scota who lead them to Ireland and from there eventually Scotland. The stone of destiny was supposedly taken by Scota off the pyramids on her way out- beginning a long tradition of stealing anything that isn't nailed down and being outraged when the same behaviour is repeated towards ourselves ;)

the delaration of arbroath contains reference to this here:

the irish have a similiar myth about scota and claim she had two sons Galasomething from which we get gael and Hiber from which Hibernia. the english had one linking them to first Brutus and then Troy. I believe there was an irish myth linking them to iberia and then carthage.

I mention these medieval myths because: 1. they are amusing in and of themselves, 2 It is interesting trying to work out where they came from and how local medieval cultures mingled their myths and legends with those they encountered on the continent, also some of these myths have tiny kernels of truth to them- the irish possibly did migrate from iberia,

and 3. some people still believe these myths are true.
Most notably the former owner of Harrods: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Al-Fayed
Now mr Al fayed is a conspiracy nutt and believes all sorts of nonsense but the internet is filled with similiar nutts spouting these myths as facts.

Including snowflakes on tumblr as its an easy way to be a poc- whats that ms Mckay? Oh no you aren't of evil white scottish, descent you are an egyptian:
https://archive.md/3UFcuhttps://archive.md/2QeIHhttps://archive.md/uHmW4
Her evidence is that "my toes are EGYPTIAN"! :lol:
 

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Her evidence is that "my toes are EGYPTIAN"! :lol:
Is that like the hipster tumblr version of measuring skulls?
If your toes are a certain shape then you are the ubermensch but if they are another way then you are destined to evolutionary oblivion. Its funny how these same ideas keep cropping up.
Next thing you know they'll be comparing noses to see what ethnicity they are. Cue a lot of people saying their Germanic features are because Africans used to live in Germany until they disappeared for some reason.
 

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That has a really simple name; Confirmation Bias

You'd think most students would learn about it in High School but I guess independent thinking is frowned upon now.
It's more insidious than most straightforward confirmation biases. In the basic case, I think x not y, so I am more predisposed to believe evidence supporting x than y. If I see about equal amounts of evidence, I come out supporting x. But if almost all of the evidence supports y, I will change my mind. I at least know what evidence against me looks like and have to address it.

In this case, they think y has been supressing x. So evidence in favour of x supports their theory, and evidence supporting y supports their theory. They have created a scenario where evidence against them cannot exist. A huge violation of the scientific method.

But then they will tell you that the scientific method is created by white men so it is irrelevant. Quite clever.
 

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The more I think about this, the more ridiculous and aggravating it is. Here these tumblristas are claiming that white people are destroying black culture and black history by refusing to acknowledge the "fact" that Ancient Egyptians and Vikings were black, when it is the tumblristas themselves who are erasing black history. By making the Vikings, etc., black, they absolve themselves of any sort of responsibility to learn about true African history and the already almost-non-existent grasp the general public has on African history grows even weaker.

After all, why should I bother learning about Great Zimbabwe or the history of the Bantu peoples? Vikings were black, goddammit!
 

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This thread is educational as fuck. I am enjoying reading it a lot.

He's a megaphone.

But he says to IGNORE HIM.

Hallelujah! So glad to see this thread. Finally, the perfect spot to corral all my ancient Egypt sperging. :biggrin:

The thing that always baffles me about the "all Egyptians were black!" crowd is that they never seem to talk about the mummies. A statue carved of black basalt or black marble is enough to send them into multi-level epic conspiracy theories about coverups and the Sphinx getting its nose shot off to make it look less African, but the ancient Egyptians were kind enough to actually preserve their own bodies for us--and nary a word about it. Are they all just triggered by corpse photos or something?

Obviously the mummies were planted there by insidious European archeologists to discredit the truth about Egypt being ruled by the Black Master Race.

Is that like the hipster tumblr version of measuring skulls?
If your toes are a certain shape then you are the ubermensch but if they are another way then you are destined to evolutionary oblivion. Its funny how these same ideas keep cropping up.
Next thing you know they'll be comparing noses to see what ethnicity they are. Cue a lot of people saying their Germanic features are because Africans used to live in Germany until they disappeared for some reason.

The toe thing is a reference to this chart:

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This thing gets passed around Tumblr a lot. As you might be able to guess, it reeks of bullshit.

According to this chart, I am some weird cross between Greek and Celtic. And I sure as hell ain't Greek.
 
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The more I think about this, the more ridiculous and aggravating it is. Here these tumblristas are claiming that white people are destroying black culture and black history by refusing to acknowledge the "fact" that Ancient Egyptians and Vikings were black, when it is the tumblristas themselves who are erasing black history. By making the Vikings, etc., black, they absolve themselves of any sort of responsibility to learn about true African history and the already almost-non-existent grasp the general public has on African history grows even weaker.

After all, why should I bother learning about Great Zimbabwe or the history of the Bantu peoples? Vikings were black, goddammit!
If they did learn about African history instead of claiming something from Europe was fully black, they'd not only actually learn about the history and culture of Africa, they'd also stop promoting something that they claim is black even though it is still in a way Eurocentric. If they chose to focus on Mansa Munsa and not some Mozart ad that made Mozart look black, they would actually enlighten themselves but why bother learning about Africa when you can make up some claim of a European group being totally black that is being suppressed by the white European?
 

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The more I think about this, the more ridiculous and aggravating it is. Here these tumblristas are claiming that white people are destroying black culture and black history by refusing to acknowledge the "fact" that Ancient Egyptians and Vikings were black, when it is the tumblristas themselves who are erasing black history. By making the Vikings, etc., black, they absolve themselves of any sort of responsibility to learn about true African history and the already almost-non-existent grasp the general public has on African history grows even weaker.

After all, why should I bother learning about Great Zimbabwe or the history of the Bantu peoples? Vikings were black, goddammit!

Fucking THIS. I am an admitted Egyptophile, so I can't exactly throw stones re: the whole "focusing on the cool popular history" thing, but fuck, there is so much awesome in history that goes unacknowledged because people want to focus on the high-profile bits. Like nobody ever seems to remember that there were confirmed black kings of Egypt: the whole freaking 25th Dynasty, which came from Kush! But nobody seems to have time for Kashta or Piye, because they're too busy focusing on Cleopatra VII.