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TMI but I’m from a jacked up town and homeless people regularly appear at my parents’ workplace (hospital) in the middle of the night. Most have addiction and mental health issues that seem impossible to fix. The city offers both rehab and free needle dispensaries just because most people who receive treatment end up taking drugs again and the clean needles at least minimize the spread of disease.

Some have also openly admitted that they prefer living on the streets. I can’t tell if the people who say this are being honest or defensive.

Part of being a college student in that area required us to tear down unoccupied encampments on the river. This was interesting because the homeless people who happened to be there were mostly quiet and isolated. The island felt more like an organized, private campground. I remember seeing kids toys, rosaries and pet dogs. In contrast, you walk near the homeless shelter and people seem more like they’re on drugs. They’re also more likely to hassle you.

I don’t know. I think some people aren’t cut out to live in society and some people are genuinely going through hard times. I think groups like those quiet families living on the river need some kind of genuine opportunity for a good future: Education, shelter, jobs, scholarships in order to become productive members of society. The problem is that this requires tax dollars and nobody wants to pay for that.

It’s also likely these families are undocumented immigrants and I have no idea how to work that problem out. I’ve heard too many fucked up things about the countries these people are escaping from to encourage their deportation with a good conscience.
When I was a teenager I had a younger cousin who moved out of his moms house and became a homeless weed dealer. He still went to school and what not. But he preferred it to living with his mother. He would bounce around from our house to his friends during the winter and in the summer would sleep in abandoned buildings and break into empty apartments and party. He lived like that until he graduated, so theirs no doubt that some people prefer to live like that . Trying to convince him to stay with us never worked, he'd stay for maybe a week and then get bored and be out on the streets again.
 

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We didn't have this problem when there was plenty of cheap (if unappealing) housing. Take the Hells Kitchen area of Manhattan. Sure it could be dangerous but there was lots of cheap housing, it was right next to the Port Authority Bus Terminal, minutes away from Penn Station and if you weren't an absolute imbecile/pedo/alcoholic/drug addict you could partake in the community which consisted mostly of families/working people. I was in the area last week and now it's nothing but condos, hotels and a convention center with the odd lone apartment building holdout in the middle of a block that's a vast construction site. Where are working class people suppose to live? New Jersey? The same thing happened/is happening in Chinatown, LES, the Bowery, Harlem, Washington Heights and the outer boroughs as well. If you're an addict/crazy you are totally fucked. There were flophouses you could rent by the week all over the city that were torn down/rehabbed into housing for rich hipster trust fund brats who scream about Trump at rallies wearing $500 sneakers while taking selfies with the latest iPhone to post on their Twitter about being true socialists. No one, especially champion of the poor & disenfranchised Mayor DeBlasio is doing anything for these people.

If and when Civil War 2.0 happens I think a lot of these "socialists" are going to be shocked at how many of the people they've displaced are going to come for them but the knives will be out for Mrs. DeBlasio who pocketed over 8 million dollars meant for the treatment & support of the mentally ill in NYC.
That's a California issue too. California and New York are the two most expensive states to live in, so it's not surprising. Except in the former, all the poor people have to move out in the desert, while having to drive all the way out to the city to work because guess what? There's no work in the desert.
 
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We didn't have this problem when there was plenty of cheap (if unappealing) housing. Take the Hells Kitchen area of Manhattan. Sure it could be dangerous but there was lots of cheap housing, it was right next to the Port Authority Bus Terminal, minutes away from Penn Station and if you weren't an absolute imbecile/pedo/alcoholic/drug addict you could partake in the community which consisted mostly of families/working people. I was in the area last week and now it's nothing but condos, hotels and a convention center with the odd lone apartment building holdout in the middle of a block that's a vast construction site. Where are working class people suppose to live? New Jersey? The same thing happened/is happening in Chinatown, LES, the Bowery, Harlem, Washington Heights and the outer boroughs as well. If you're an addict/crazy you are totally fucked. There were flophouses you could rent by the week all over the city that were torn down/rehabbed into housing for rich hipster trust fund brats who scream about Trump at rallies wearing $500 sneakers while taking selfies with the latest iPhone to post on their Twitter about being true socialists. No one, especially champion of the poor & disenfranchised Mayor DeBlasio is doing anything for these people.

If and when Civil War 2.0 happens I think a lot of these "socialists" are going to be shocked at how many of the people they've displaced are going to come for them but the knives will be out for Mrs. DeBlasio who pocketed over 8 million dollars meant for the treatment & support of the mentally ill in NYC.
Hell's Kitchen is ridiculously choked with bums currently, they all juice the yuppies, fags, and tourists that walk through there (mostly the tourists)
 

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Hell's Kitchen is ridiculously choked with bums currently, they all juice the yuppies, fags, and tourists that walk through there (mostly the tourists)
I saw lots of bums but there are lots of bums all over Manhattan. Too many construction workers around for it to be an issue in that area though.
 

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Homelessness and the surrounding chaos and community become a choice for people who have sustained certain types of damage. Antisocial men who struggle with drugs and/or alcohol cannot sustain a home, and many wouldn't wish to. In major cities there is squatting for those who can't follow the very basic rules of shelters and halfway houses. In the south sleeping rough is very common. They stay in groups for safety (then rob each other, bring in dangerous outsiders, and generally engage in every imaginable self sabotage).

Incentivized sterilization of the mentally ill, less overseas interventionist bullshit, no more PTSD-inducing prison stays for non violent individuals, ethically run asylums, easy access to abortion. Basically we prevent the unwanted from existing, and create safety nets for those that do, which would be more affordable if there weren't so fucking many.
 
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I heard Utah a few years back had quietly set up a program that essentially provides free housing to the homeless, since their officials did some kind of arcane set of calculations that determined they were spending the same amount of money on dealing with the chaos and property damage a hoard of hobos will cause anyway. Given where we are, I presume most people in this thread would spam zingers including the word "gibs" at this proposal, but last i heard it seemed to be working. Does anyone know if it crashed and burned later on or if its still happening?

The trouble with roundng these people up and getting them to do useful work is that, obviously, a bunch of them are fucking crazy. A lot of them are also just extremely shy and introverted people. I'm talking the ones that pick out of trash cans and tense up if you say anything to them. Truthfully I'd rather toss a couple of bucks at those people than the panhandlers, who are fucking morally bankrupt opportunists straight to the bone. I have sympathy for the basket cases since, well, its somewhere we could all end up if things take a turn for the worst, especially in an era where the average person's mental health seems to be putrifying for no identifiable reason.

Once they reach that state though, they're effectively not human anymore. They live day to day on instinct and I'd be surprised if anyone of them can even form coherent sentences at that point. I've entertained a lot of ideas in my head about what to do with them, like say electronically tagging them or something, but that kind of thing would feed into their paranoia and make them more erratic. Same with rounding them up, etc. People tolerate Lenny the Neighborhood Bum and hand him a few bucks every now and then because, well, at least he's not breaking into the local drug store or people's homes to get another handle of vodka. At the same time, professional panhandlers are bad for everyone since they get the lion's share of the take, they're annoying, they guilt trip people, and they're taking the easy way out of life. They also make life harder for the real bums who can't tie their shoes without help.

I try to encourage the more coherent ones. One dude would wander up, tell a bunch of raunchy jokes and then ask for money. He'd also plug nights he was going to be at a local comedy club. Shameless, but creative, I'd give him a few bucks for the effort. Of course he was the only one doing that; if there'd have been more of these street comedians my patience would have probably vanished quickly with them.

Just liquidating these people also opens up a lot of ugly possibilities though. You try to avoid cutting the fuckups loose in society because everyone wants that safety net to be there if they hit rock bottom.
 

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Some prefer living in street due to less hassle. Why struggle to make ends meet and be always afraid of rock bottom when it easier to live there?
 

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I don't understand why we have a policy of demolishing shantys. They aren't glamorous but letting people setup shitty shanty villages would probably solve homelessness. Would it solve poverty and crime? No, but it would probably contain it to one area and allow social workers easier access to provide help.

Or just fund the housing. Western countries would benefit from a few soviet style housing blocks that require only a days work to live in.
 
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We have enough empty housing owned by millionaires for these people to live in several times over. Obviously this would violate basic property rights, but it's the cheapest solution.
 

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What's the best way to stop homelessness?
Religion. Not necessarily for the homeless themselves, but for the working backbone par of the population, so they want to outdo each other in charity.

The only way to house those incapable of supporting themselves is to support them.
 

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South Africa tried this with grievous results.
They are trying to give everyone a plot of agricultural land, not housing. Despite the fact that government polling suggests that something like 98% of people who would be getting redistributed land would rather take a lump sum payment for the cash value of the land instead of the land itself, since it turns out it is remarkably hard work to turn an empty plot of land into a self-sustaining farm. Especially with how little rainfall many of the arid regions in the country get, sometimes it requires a huge amount of grazing land to sustain even a single head of livestock.

I think the homeless situation could be improved by shipping them out to designated quarantine zones like the West Coast cities where the climate is temperate and they will be able to survive all year round without fear of freezing temperature or heat stroke. Plus the social services infrastructure in those areas is probably better funded in order to deal with the public health and welfare aspect of the problem.
 
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