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Coleman Francis

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Give addicts a job, instead of forcing them to get clean turn them into what's called "functioning addict" aka they're addicted to drugs but are able to hold down a job.
Nobody forces addicts to get clean, they do it on there own because there really is no such thing as a functional addict and if they want to actually have a meaningful life and keep some money in their pockets, they gotta stop getting loaded.

I'm not talking about the businessman who gets together with his friends on the weekend and drinks whiskey while snorting cocaine, or the construction worker who likes to smoke a little rock once in awhile. I wouldn't call these people hopeless addicts.

Sure, they have a problem but their issue isn't something that is completely unmanageable and will take up the majority of their time.

Being an addict is a fulltime job, that's why it's not possible to be a functional human being while being controlled by addiction. If they want to have a life they have to stop chasing the drugs.

This doesn't necessarily mean they have to suffer for a week with dope sickness, they can get into a detox that will get them off the drugs while keeping them somewhat comfortable. Or they can see a doctor that specializes in addiction treatment and get prescribed something that will somewhat satisfy those cravings. Or they can get into a methadone clinic so they wont have to go without and get sick, thus allowing them to work and function normally.

Point is, there are options that dont require these people to go cold turkey and be sick like you were initially saying.

If you are American it is easier than ever to get treatment even if you live in a state where Medicaid isnt accepted for subutex/suboxone therapy or methadone maintenance therapy. President Trump allocated federal funding that will pay 100% of these treatments, allowing the addict to immediately take charge of their lives and go back to work. It just takes a little bit of effort and willpower.

They can continue to shoot dope and live like a crazy person, spending every penny they make on drugs, or they can improve their situation and get a legal medication for free that will allow them to function, while also making heroin use less enjoyable thus less of a temptation.
 
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I recently wrote an email to the organization that put up an apartment building (24 units) with 24-hour staffing for chronically alcoholic homeless folks. They rah-rah'ed about the construction and opening then, like all good journalism nowadays, there hasn't been any word about the "success" of the endeavor.
I got a bunch of fluff and directed to a website in response.
The people they profiled that were so excited about their new digs were a young man with face piercings (*ahem* "cranial accessories") and tattoos and an older, frumpy woman in a scooter. I want to know SPECIFICALLY where they work now and how long they've been clean.
Gotta fucking file FOIA requests nowadays just to get simple answers to simple questions.
 

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Well first you have to look at the points that cause homelessness, one is the ridiculously high price of housing here in the UK my dads house that cost him 3 times his wage over 40 years ago currently is worth 11 times the same salary today. Then where are the causes of higher demand, one is billionaires from other countries buying multiple houses and not living in them just there as a way of storing wealth. Immigration also adds to demand when low end housing is not being created with demand and also divorce/single mothers have created the need for two places for parents to live where there once was one.

Something like 90% of homeless (street) are men, in the UK a man will go to get help and be told basically to fuck off they are so low down the points table they have no hope unless they are disabled. Note between 10-20% of these homeless are ex forces not lazy bums, like suicide one of the large stress points of men becoming homeless is family break down. How easy would it be to create housing at the point of people becoming homeless after all you need small studio or bedsit type units that would be relatively cheep to build. The other thing that could be done is instead of giving people with un used homes a massive discount on the property tax would be to tax them higher as they do have a negative effect on the locality.

As for those that are addicts etc I do not think much could be done for them unless they decide to help themselves.
 

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End housing programs for all citizens and rip everybody away from their homes. Replace the individual's house with a public facility for the greater good of all people. Require everybody to be on their feet the majority of the time and if they want vidya or Facebook then they gotta get a laptop. Make everybody sleep in organized bed houses, make everyone bathe in organized bath houses. Issue tents to those that demand privacy, but let privacy be a privilege and a luxury for those tender moments you really don't want to share with the world, not a given right. Give the death penalty for theft and when law enforcement can't be there force everyone to fend for themselves. Equal treatment for all under a dystopian setting described in literature like 1984 and Brave New World.
 
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Carrot and stick.
Good early years intervention to help families before their kids grow into problem adults. We are always being told that x dollars spent at this point saves multiples down the line

Mental health care - closing long term places in favour of ‘care in the community’ was a disaster. This is the biggest item I think

Drug and alcohol services that are well funded and link into housing, education etc.

Social housing of some kind

And better town codes - sanctuary cities just amplify the problem.

You’ll never totally solve the problem but you can reduce it a lot and certainly get families and those who have just fallen on hard times off the streets.
 
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Dutch Courage

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I find the outrage from the Left about homelessness to be amusing, when one considers their outrage about enforcing immigration law.

There is a direct correlation between illegal immigration and homelessness. California is a "sanctuary state". A full six percent of the population in California are undocumented (i.e. illegal). That equals 2.6 million illegal immigrants in California, which is almost double the entire population of San Diego.

Those illegals have to live somewhere. Most of them take apartments of the lower end of the rent scale. There are 2.6 million working class Americans being displaced by these illegals, either by not being able to afford the rent of the remaining apartments in the cities and being forced to live in the desert, or by staying in the cities and paying 3/4 of their meager take-home pay on rent (not exaggerating; I used to do that myself) . Some have opted to live in their cars, vans, or RV's, all of which is illegal too. If all the illegal immigrants vanished tomorrow, California's severe housing crisis would also vanish in a puff of smoke. Homelessness would be cut in half or more; only the seriously drug-addled and mentally ill would remain on the streets.

Memo to the Left: you can't have both open borders and housing for all. You can have one or the other: housing for all and strict border enforcement, or you can have open borders and people living in gutters. It amazes me that people get so fixated on issues and work up such bile over them, and yet they fail to see very obvious connections between them.
 

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So I am just going to go ahead and powerlevel a bit here

I will spare you the nitty gritty but when I was sixteen my family all but imploded and I ended up living in the woods with a bunch of gay squirrels and shit because I did not having a single person I could rely on at the time. Anyways, the first thing I try to do is go crying to big daddy gubbermint to get myself some gibs, but since I do not have any paperwork or ID they basically just told me to GTFO. So the next thing I try to do is find some work, it was a pretty small town so I figured I would just go into the little corner shops and takeaways and see if I could make myself useful doing whatever needed doing, but the same shit happened. Since I did not have any papers I was just a liability to them. Well that's just fucking great, I was basically in a situation where I had no recourse, where I had nobody to turn, no money available, no way of making money, no way of replacing or getting ID because that requires money and so was ostensibly cucked by bureaucracy it seems. I only managed to get out of all that because some kind Polish woman took pity on me and got me a gig cleaning pots and pans at her husband's restaurant, and once I had been given that opportunity I was able to escape the woods and rejoin civilisation and now I am even in college learning to code :)
My point being that I feel those of you expecting the government to offer any reasonable solutions are being more than a little :optimistic::optimistic::optimistic:. In my opinion at least, it is up to local communities to look out for their own vulnerable people and fuck ups to prevent the issues in the first place. Most homeless people I knew were just victims of circumstance, I managed to get one of the bums I knew back on his feat just by giving him a place to stay for a few weeks, a few clean clothes and a few tips on how not to be exceptional in a job interview and that was enough for him to correct course. If we had a culture which was just a little less vain and narcissistic where people actually just looked out for one another then the problem would mostly solve itself I reckon, but local communities of concerned citizens are a dead meme at this point so yeah have fun with your drugged up speds I guess.
 

HoneyBadgersOfOats

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Least in America I don't think they got it that bad, least where I am at they even got little centers for them here but obviously that isn't true for the whole country. If a homeless man can still be a fatass after a year he certainly isn't starving. The main factors of homelessness can be cost of living, addiction, can't budget for shit, and lack of opportunities. There is no easy fix and sometimes you just got to accept that some people put themselves in these situations it's hard to say how many actually end up there because they can't get their shit together but most I've personally come across are terrible with money, have a life ruining addiction and a lot of the times both of those problems.

One problem can lead to other problems popping up in someone's life. If they are addicted desperation for a fix will lead them to do all sorts of things, like avoid paying the water bill to have more drug money, be to fucked up to get up for work resulting in them getting fired, etc. I personally don't feel sorry for the addicts, those dumbasses put themselves in those situations and don't have a strong enough will to say no to peer pressure.
 
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Well first you have to look at the points that cause homelessness, one is the ridiculously high price of housing here in the UK my dads house that cost him 3 times his wage over 40 years ago currently is worth 11 times the same salary today. Then where are the causes of higher demand, one is billionaires from other countries buying multiple houses and not living in them just there as a way of storing wealth. Immigration also adds to demand when low end housing is not being created with demand and also divorce/single mothers have created the need for two places for parents to live where there once was one.

Something like 90% of homeless (street) are men, in the UK a man will go to get help and be told basically to fuck off they are so low down the points table they have no hope unless they are disabled. Note between 10-20% of these homeless are ex forces not lazy bums, like suicide one of the large stress points of men becoming homeless is family break down. How easy would it be to create housing at the point of people becoming homeless after all you need small studio or bedsit type units that would be relatively cheep to build. The other thing that could be done is instead of giving people with un used homes a massive discount on the property tax would be to tax them higher as they do have a negative effect on the locality.

As for those that are addicts etc I do not think much could be done for them unless they decide to help themselves.
Nah, "muh housing" is a bullshit excuse. Virtually every study ever done on the homeless has confirmed upwards of 90% of them are addicts or psychotics.
 
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It's pretty easy, just get the corporate government to stop fucking up the economy.
 

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I find the outrage from the Left about homelessness to be amusing, when one considers their outrage about enforcing immigration law.

There is a direct correlation between illegal immigration and homelessness. California is a "sanctuary state". A full six percent of the population in California are undocumented (i.e. illegal). That equals 2.6 million illegal immigrants in California, which is almost double the entire population of San Diego.

Those illegals have to live somewhere. Most of them take apartments of the lower end of the rent scale. There are 2.6 million working class Americans being displaced by these illegals, either by not being able to afford the rent of the remaining apartments in the cities and being forced to live in the desert, or by staying in the cities and paying 3/4 of their meager take-home pay on rent (not exaggerating; I used to do that myself) . Some have opted to live in their cars, vans, or RV's, all of which is illegal too. If all the illegal immigrants vanished tomorrow, California's severe housing crisis would also vanish in a puff of smoke. Homelessness would be cut in half or more; only the seriously drug-addled and mentally ill would remain on the streets.

Memo to the Left: you can't have both open borders and housing for all. You can have one or the other: housing for all and strict border enforcement, or you can have open borders and people living in gutters. It amazes me that people get so fixated on issues and work up such bile over them, and yet they fail to see very obvious connections between them.
They mainly only care about illegal immigrants. They aren't thinking about the homeless. They're an afterthought. And since they defanged their police it's turning into a shithole. Hell more people have prob gotten their car broken into in San Fransisco than in my neighborhood and I should tell you I def live in the ghetto(not by choice) and that's because the dumb state lessened the crime for breaking into cars to a misdemeanor ticket with no jail time. And yet they prob never thought that the people that want to protect illegal immigrants would do the same for other criminals.
 
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1) Free housing until they get on their feet.

2) Asylums for those too far gone.

3) Social workers and intense programs for addicts to get right.

4) Long term cheap housing for the working poor, especially families.

The problem is the NIMBY problem. Wealthy progtards want NONE of this shit remotely near them. They detest the poor and mentally Ill. All they do is talk and bullshit about how much they care. They don't. If progressives did, homelessness would be over. But they don't want this in any sort of half-way decent neighborhood.

Republicans are at least honest with their hostility. Democrats pretend and lie.
 

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Stop letting so many fucking immigrants in, illegal and legal. As someone else said, they snap up all the affordable housing which is not a lot as it is.
And open asylums again for the crazies and drug addicted.
 

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A lot of folks that are homeless are not right in the head, strung out on drugs/alcohol, unlucky, or are not able to find work that pays enough to afford an apartment.

In the past, some countries instituted "work houses" where folks could go to get shelter and have a crappy government sponsored job. A good historic example of this working well was when the National Socialist German Workers Party turned an almost 80% unemployment rate down to virtually 0% within a year by building roads, using nothing but shovels and wheelbarrows.
Very few involved with the labor was happy, but they quickly found other work as German industry was rebuilt.
 
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Homelessness is a complicated issue because it’s more of symptom while managing cause it’s own problems. I think most important would be to get people with different types of homelessness to right type of services. There is a world of difference what helps an unlucky family loosing a reasonable priced apartment, troubled young who ran away from home, a lazy wierdo, mentally unstable abuse victim and an addicted druggie. Plus then there all those with multi layer issues. Some just need access cheap housing, others housing, social services and maybe some therapy, and then there are cases where full intervention is only way to help. Point being that effective service surveying is crucial for getting most of the money dedicated towards homelessness.

Also as harsh as this sounds, I think some type of homelessness should be criminal. If how the homeless chooses to live is causing danger or unreasonable hindrance to others, they should be arrested and possibly prosecuted for it. I mean stuff like sleeping regularly places that blocks traffic, camping that prevents maintenance or pooping in the streets. I don’t think it should hugely weighty crime but still something that could get a homeless in trouble and especially rebeat offenders behaind bars. Some people just have to be forced into taking care of themselves and not be complete liability to everyone. I think the homeless should be sentenced into more lover security prisons maybe even specially for homeless, forced to go trough treatments for possible addictions and evaluations for permanent housing. Hell if it’s the best interest of the homeless, they might allowed to stay in that prison rest of their life. I would not make this part mandatory for eather side but some people are unable to take care of themselves and prefer that type of structure in their life. There are actual criminals that have done crimes just get back to prison so allowing an older chronic homeless bum that live can be true kindness.
 
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