War Hong Kong Garden Takeaway (Megathread) - Time to kill some fuckin' ugly reds

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But it wont. China could start massacring the people of Hong Kong Tiananmen style but will the royal marines show up in response?
The islamic state is murdering brits in the center of london and the mayor just says "that's life, deal with it"; I doubt they'd send forces on behalf of a bunch of asians anywhere, let alone in direct conflict with PRC.
 

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Yeah, and? He, also genocided all the "capitalist pig dogs," Christians, Buddhists, and unfortunate grain sparrows he could find. Who the fuck cares that he was dropping hot tips on mutual enemies of ours in order to fuck them over? So every time Tyrone tips off the cops to his rival crack dealer Shaquila, you think he should get a medal?
That Rockefeller praised. Ho Chi Minh that begged every US President since Woodrow Wilson to recognize his peoples' independence was also with OSS. Castro wrote letters to FDR and as Batista’s support was toppling amidst growing criticism from U.S. politicians and the forces supportive of Fidel Castro’s guerrillas, CIA officer and eventual Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt was among those who attempted to ease him from power. Castro rode on Camilo's fame (an Anarchist) with the Cuban people and eventually killed him. The story of Camilo is more important than any of Castro bullshit but the half-ass attempts to kill Castro ended up erasing him and made Castro look like some kind of hero against THE EVIL AMERICA.
>they supported the USA during the Cold War

Lol wut? They directly fought against us in the Korean war (right after we saved their asses in WW2), and they supported the communist forces in Vietnam. They only kinda sorta started to turn on the USSR towards the end of the cold war because the USSR had become a weak ally, which wasn't worth going to war to save had the cold war gone hot.
China has been a long-time ally of American hegemony who supported the US-backed Augusto Pinochet, Yahya Khan of Pakistan during the Bangladesh Liberation War, and the Khmer Rouge and that China attacked Vietnam as retaliation for the latter’s Soviet-supported overthrowing of the Khmer Rouge and together with the US and its allies supported Pol Pot at the United Nations after 1979. After the Cold War China helped put down Shining Path in Peru and supplied guns to ISIS which helped with the myth of Israel being the only democracy in the Mid East and Arabs are dumb terrorists and have Rolling Stone magazine praising gay antifa battalions so kids can go and fight there.
 
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China has been a long-time ally of American hegemony who supported the US-backed Augusto Pinochet, Yahya Khan of Pakistan during the Bangladesh Liberation War, and the Khmer Rouge and that China attacked Vietnam as retaliation for the latter’s Soviet-supported overthrowing of the Khmer Rouge and together with the US and its allies supported Pol Pot at the United Nations after 1979. After the Cold War China helped put down Shining Path in Peru and supplied guns to ISIS which helped with the myth of Israel being the only democracy in the Mid East and Arabs are dumb terrorists and have Rolling Stone magazine praising gay antifa battalions so kids can go and fight there.
China is absolutely able to play both sides. They sided with US to drive out the Soviets in Asia. They've been building up Chinese diaspora communities in South America so that agents can operate more freely. The Chinese government works directly with the Triads to pump heroin, and now fentanyl into South America and the US. They are fully engaged in cyber and economic warfare with the US. Helping ISIS allowed gave them the excuse to crack down on their own Muslims at home. China does what is good for China and sometimes that works with US short term goals if it can serve China long term. Calling the chinks an ally is stupid.
 

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China has been a long-time ally of American hegemony who supported the US-backed Augusto Pinochet, Yahya Khan of Pakistan during the Bangladesh Liberation War, and the Khmer Rouge and that China attacked Vietnam as retaliation for the latter’s Soviet-supported overthrowing of the Khmer Rouge and together with the US and its allies supported Pol Pot at the United Nations after 1979. After the Cold War China helped put down Shining Path in Peru and supplied guns to ISIS which helped with the myth of Israel being the only democracy in the Mid East and Arabs are dumb terrorists and have Rolling Stone magazine praising gay antifa battalions so kids can go and fight there.
I wonder if China wasn’t PRC how things would play off. We called them our ally but from what I read Stalin was kinda supportive of the Nationalists, would they be our ally if that was so? Or would it play out like this video says

 

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I wonder if China wasn’t PRC how things would play off. We called them our ally but from what I read Stalin was kinda supportive of the Nationalists, would they be our ally if that was so? Or would it play out like this video says

by now, ccp is communist in name only anyway

the big irony of modern chinese history is that today, the state that the CCP created and rules is a lot closer to the state that chiang kai-shek had envisioned than to what mao zedong had envisioned
 
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by now, ccp is communist in name only anyway

the big irony of modern chinese history is that today, the state that the CCP created and rules is a lot closer to the state that chiang kai-shek had envisioned than to what mao zedong had envisioned
That's only half true. CCP started as a branch of the soviet russia leninist world revolution and it still retains its leninist power structure. You maybe free to start your own business (after some guanxi and bribery if you are not living in the coastal cities), you still do whatever your local ccp branch tells you to or your business suddenly breaches all kinds of regulations.
 
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That's only half true. CCP started as a branch of the soviet russia leninist world revolution and it still retains its leninist power structure. You maybe free to start your own business (after some guanxi and bribery if you are not living in the coastal cities), you still do whatever your local ccp branch tells you to or your business suddenly breaches all kinds of regulations.
internal party organisation is not what i was referring to

my point is that china now is 100% nationalist as opposed to the 'workers of the world unite' style internationalism of old. back then their foreign policy was about spreading the revolution to bring about the socialist world republic, today their aspirations are expansionist and hegemonial in nature.

it's also a market based economy, fully integrated in the global trade network, and part of the international finance system. all of those are diametrically opposed to the centrally planned communist economy and anti-capitalist ideology of the mao days.

the only thing that's communist about the PRC is the color of its flag and some of the imagery it uses for propaganda purposes.
 

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Stalin was kinda supportive of the Nationalists
Stalin kept Chiang Kai-Shek's son hostage in the USSR for years while Mao and his troops were marauding around China. Stalin only allowed him to return home in 1937 after Chiang had been forced in to a united front with Mao's commies against the Japanese. Chiang correctly understood that the commies would use their newfound legality to more aggressively subvert the shit out of the country and prepare the ground for when they stab him in the back. It's true that the Nationalist Chinese certainly seem to have been extremely incompetent at times, but you can still make the hypothetical case that were it not for Stalin looking after his agent Mao with that important personal leverage over Chiang, Chiang would have finished the job, killed Mao and routed the communist army.

it still retains its leninist power structure
Yes, exactly. China is still communist in the senses that matter; absolute and unchallenged domination of the Communist Party over the courts, media, education, civil institutions, police and army, along with several major industries; energy, telecoms and, to a significant degree, food. Challenge any of that too forcefully or attempt to organise anything independently and you go to prison, maybe after a warning or two. The government even basically owns and controls the cigarette industry. They also dominate e-commerce via the supposedly private company Alibaba and have semi-official national champions in property such as Dalian Wanda, both examples of which were used to make the families of China's elite enormous amounts of money. The government also openly dominates the essential banking industry in theory with the banks all basically falling under government control, although the fact that China's Central Bank was set up in 1948 with Soviet assistance before the People's Republic of China was even officially a country does make some people wonder.

it's also a market based economy
Not really, though. As I just said, an enormous amount of the Chinese economy is still at least de facto controlled by the state, albeit with these industries on a longer leash than in Mao's day. Just having thousands of private factories and restaurants doesn't really make you a full market economy in the way that, say, the US is, especially as all businesses are expected to jump and obey at all arbitrary directives from commies that have authority over them, from local goons shaking down local businesses to Xi Jinping himself. Everyone who has worked in business in China understands that the government will shake you down routinely and if you offend them, the best case scenario is that you get away with only a huge bill and a lot of grovelling.

the only thing that's communist about the PRC is the color of its flag and some of the imagery it uses for propaganda purposes.
I hope that my long effortpost goes some way to correcting this view.
 
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The PRC has lived off of the USA, thinking being pro-China is against the West is dumb. Mao had connections to OSS agents, they supported the USA during the Cold War, and so on.
And before they were "living off of" us, they were living off of/aligned with the Soviets. Until the Soviets were no longer useful to them, at which point the PRC took the opportunity to latch onto the US.
China's relations with other countries have always been highly opportunistic and transactional. Both the US and USSR gave China tremendous material and technological assistance (as well as valuable military intelligence) during their respective periods of good relations. This assistance was crucial for China's rapid modernization/rise to power, and the Chicoms were very conscious of this when designing foreign policy.
I think "take advantage of" is a more accurate description than "live off of" in this case.
 

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The islamic state is murdering brits in the center of london and the mayor just says "that's life, deal with it"; I doubt they'd send forces on behalf of a bunch of asians anywhere, let alone in direct conflict with PRC.
In all honesty the British government is probably more interested in helping out Orientals in Hong Kong than British people in Britain, but I doubt they're going to be stupid enough to send their little helicopter carriers around the world to be sunk by DF-21s.

it still retains its leninist power structure. You maybe free to start your own business (after some guanxi and bribery if you are not living in the coastal cities), you still do whatever your local ccp branch tells you to or your business suddenly breaches all kinds of regulations.
I fail to see how that can be distinguished from the previous traditions of the Han antheap. The present Han empire even does a better job of responding to its subjects legitimate concerns than most Western countries do- see the response to the Nanjing riots in '88 for example, vs how the British government treats its own people.
 
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I doubt they're going to be stupid enough to send their little helicopter carriers around the world to be sunk by DF-21s
I thought we were past discussing this hypothetical. If we really must play this game then remember that we sail ships through Chinese claimed waters all the time (as do the Americans) and they don't (can't) do anything. And if we decided to drop some marines off in HK claiming that China has violated the terms of the handover (despite there being no appetite for that among the UK public), then China wouldn't dare do anything. Our boys who have plenty of recent experience of real firefights and urban warfare would make short work of the PLA garrison if they tried to resist given that their most recent combat experience if any is killing unarmed protesting students and Tibetans. And by the looks of things, there'd be overwhelming popular support for chucking the commies out which would be important in consolidating the win. What could China do then? Attempt to nuke us? They'd just end up blowing holes in random parts of Kazakhstan before our more effective retaliation. Shell Hong Kong to rubble and then move the PLA in? That puts them in a far worse situation than they're in now - and would likely crash their economy as the new international pariah China gets cut off from the foreign capital and export markets that it still depends on to survive. No, China would stand down and not just due to our alliance with the US whose nukes actually work. But I can't prove you wrong just as you can't prove me wrong by reminding us that China has missiles, so agree to disagree. And it isn't going to happen anyway.

I fail to see how that can be distinguished from the previous traditions of the Han antheap
Yes, the commies are just the latest imperial dynasty, well in to the "corrupt tyrant" phase.

The present Han empire even does a better job of responding to its subjects legitimate concerns than most Western countries do
If you actually believe this, then you are either very ignorant about China or just a PRC shill.
The UK may now have to put up with Pakistani rape gangs getting away with it on technicalities and the threat of going to prison if you talk about this too angrily in public or yell an insult at a pro-establishment politician but to compare our situation with that of the average Chang and come out of it with the impression that the average Chang has the better deal is incredibly silly.
Significant difference: if I want to have a third kid (and until only recently a second), I don't need permission from a government that will literally murder the baby if I didn't get it.
 
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I thought we were past discussing this hypothetical. If we really must play this game then remember that we sail ships through Chinese claimed waters all the time (as do the Americans) and they don't (can't) do anything. And if we decided to drop some marines off in HK claiming that China has violated the terms of the handover (despite there being no appetite for that among the UK public), then China wouldn't dare do anything. Our boys who have plenty of recent experience of real firefights and urban warfare would make short work of the PLA garrison if they tried to resist given that their most recent combat experience if any is killing unarmed protesting students and Tibetans. And by the looks of things, there'd be overwhelming popular support for chucking the commies out which would be important in consolidating the win. What could China do then? Attempt to nuke us? They'd just end up blowing holes in random parts of Kazakhstan before our more effective retaliation. Shell Hong Kong to rubble and then move the PLA in? That puts them in a far worse situation than they're in now - and would likely crash their economy as the new international pariah China gets cut off from the foreign capital and export markets that it still depends on to survive. No, China would stand down and not just due to our alliance with the US whose nukes actually work. But I can't prove you wrong just as you can't prove me wrong by reminding us that China has missiles, so agree to disagree. And it isn't going to happen anyway.
this is so optimistic it's borderline delusional

you're seriously arguing that a naval landing of troops and subsequent invasion of mainland china by british forces would be not just feasible, but easy? like, are you out of your mind?
you can argue quality over quantity all you want but at some point it just becomes ridiculous. china isn't a bunch of stone age niggers in africa that are easily massacred by a handful of colonial troops.
 

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this is so optimistic it's borderline delusional

you're seriously arguing that a naval landing of troops and subsequent invasion of mainland china by british forces would be not just feasible, but easy? like, are you out of your mind?
you can argue quality over quantity all you want but at some point it just becomes ridiculous. china isn't a bunch of stone age niggers in africa that are easily massacred by a handful of colonial troops.
lol r u joking. it would be like putting tier 1 tech 2 regular units against tier 3 tech 3 elite units. no contest my dude. i've seen it play out a thousand times b4. the easiest part will be getting all 8000 royal marines on the royal navy's 2 assault transports. they can hold over 400 troops each! the 10000 man chinese garrison will be no match for 8000 royal marines.

china doesn't even have a bluewater navy and the royal navy has double the pla navy's capital ships. that more than negate's the pla navy's 5 to 1 advantage in destroyers and frigates. 100 missile boats? just stay out of brownwater dummy.
 

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Unfortunately, I don't think anyone would look favorably on the US getting boots on the ground until the HK body count is in triple digits. Even then, half of the US would flip their shit over it depending on which party is currently elected president.

A lot of HKers are gonna have to die before a foreign power gets involved. I think the PRC is testing the waters to find out what's the max number that they can kill/drag off in the night without reaching that threshold. Most westerners will view HKers as the same sort of chinks as the rest of them and not give a shit. It's sad.
 
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Won't bother posting much response shit after the 30-day ban because some didn't like what I said, going to try and not respond to people. I'll just toss some rubbish smuggled out of the firewall from now on, lots of funny shit spawns from this warzone. I will share my take on the country's systems. China is definitely not communist, the party is only commie in name and everyone in China knows that.

I guess this is the so called megathread full of talks on the country's structure. Many restaurants open till 2 am, there's lots of 24h convenience stores. China is about as capitalist as you will get. They are a nationalist country with some pretty imperialistic policies (colonising Africa's resources by helping them build infrastructure). Hu in particular holds extreme far right economic views (borderline fucking ancap), completely unrestricted market, Xi is a bit closer to the centre, both are mid-top so authortarian. The only hint of socialism there is heavily regulated public services (ISPs for example), but it's also accountable to the public. For example, if you forgot to bring your passport or whatever identification shit, they (ccp) will actually inform some services place near your area and get it for you if someone's at home. Now that's really kind.

Of course there's lots of horrible shit, the censorship, the false dilemma of Taiwan (either unionist or race traitor, fucking autistic)... bad environment, demolishing churches and temples, you name it. Deng saw the kind of shithole Mao envisioned and fixed it. Mao went after lots of his prevous allies simply because they weren't on board with his autistic revolutionary rubbish, his cabinet at the end was just a group of red thugs. They even went around digging up the graves of so called "dangerous intellects", there was survival cannibalism during the famines caused by Mao's seizure of farmland, it doesn't take a genius to see the world Mao envisions is nothing but a fiendish immoral shithole.

This begs the question though, his face is on every bill and plastered everywhere, why? Do people actually like him? No, not really. His shit isn't even taught at schools anymore, you don't want a nation of larpy revolutionist faggots. He is the founder of PRC after all and he is viewed as a saint, which is about it. The founding fathers of the states weren't perfect either, but obviously owning some niggers is far better than policies leading to 50+ million dead!

Mao knows how to fight wars, he's a dimwit when it comes to actually maintaining a country. I'm not gonna entertain the idea of KMT winning the civil war, I just wished there was a Milton Friedman figure to set shit straight. Who is Pinochet? He's a military guy that rules with an iron fist, Mao is the same. Too bad, didn't happen. This Friedman figure(s) came in after Deng got in, and the state further refined market capitalist policies during Hu. Jiang didn't do much. When Hu ruled, he had a bunch of economists together to plan out market policies.

Xi is the opposite. He is a military person, and he is scaling the open market back a bit. The best guess to why China got rid of the 5-year presidency limit is to reunion Taiwan. Do be aware that most did not like this decision, people who voiced grievances were banned from places like Weibo. But what about now? After the shitshow of HK, people don't mind it anymore. Oh and the two-child-policy might be expanded to three... soon. Yeah what a mess.

China also has a very good relationship with Singapore. Back then, they had meetings with the president of Lee-apore. China talked about "how can we make the nation as successful as Singapore. Singapore was an idol and a goal to work towards, also a very livable country if you ignore the lame hatespeech laws. In Suzhou, the "Industrial Park (SIP)" was literally built up by Singapore (mostly). There's lots of Taiwanese (Eslite) and Japanese (Izumiya) investors there, along with ones who live in Suzhou. It's a very futuristic place and I do recommend travelling there if one can. That place used to be farmland, when I visited as a child, I fed ducks at a farm in the area. The leader of the project didn't like how it turned out though and mostly blamed Lee Kuan Yew.
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The best way to describe China would be an elitist autocracy, similar to Singapore. From youth, the best in class is selected to join the "Communist Youth League", and then later become a party member. I'm not a fan of the CCP but I do like this and their infrastructure building. Certainly not a fan of Singapore, $3000 SGD for using racial slurs, I'll be fucking broke if I lived there, lol.

Those who think China is just some commie shithole like North Korea should visit the country once. Make sure you make your own VPN with shadowsocks, it's not hard anyway, and oh the Farms isn't even banned there. I don't give a fuck about YT Twitter or Kikebook, I get by during visits without a VPN and up-to-date with interweb autism because the glorious farms isn't firewalled. Good.

Enough of this dumb shit, time for funny stuff!
Freight forwarder warehouse burnt down, mainland weebs TRIGGERED. "同人本 (same-person manga? Whatever)" is basically a nice way to say "degenerate hentai manga".
Lol hentai book burnings. BTW, I dropped using HK as a forwarder after the protests really went out of hand, glad that I made the right decision.
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Ouchies, TVB reporter bloodied. It's said that she openly supports police being hit? Can't verify this, can't care enough either. Doesn't mean anyone deserves to be hit because of some silly opinions. How many journalists have been smashed at this point? Don't worry, she's not the first and certainly not the last. Poor woman, this is what journalism in the West used to be about, not homosexual drug dealers in Ethiopia or whatever. I'll drop the funny stuff I find from time to time from now on.
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A lot of HKers are gonna have to die before a foreign power gets involved. I think the PRC is testing the waters to find out what's the max number that they can kill/drag off in the night without reaching that threshold. Most westerners will view HKers as the same sort of chinks as the rest of them and not give a shit. It's sad.
there will be no foreign power getting involved, period. even if they glass the entire city.

the only power that could actually challenge the PLA on the mainland is america, and america is way too divided and unstable at the moment to get behind a major land war like this.

other major powers either don't give a fuck at all (russia) or are way too small and weak to even think about invading mainland china (the entire rest of the world)
 

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there will be no foreign power getting involved, period. even if they glass the entire city.

the only power that could actually challenge the PLA on the mainland is america, and america is way too divided and unstable at the moment to get behind a major land war like this.

other major powers either don't give a fuck at all (russia) or are way too small and weak to even think about invading mainland china (the entire rest of the world)
What about India?
 
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