War Hong Kong Garden Takeaway (Megathread) - Time to kill some fuckin' ugly reds

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AltisticRight

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would be completely fine if there were any, any possibility of hk police being prosecuted, but they won't. so what are protesters to do? bend the knee to a completely unaccountable police force because they might end up doing bad things themselves? well, many have done this, and it's a hard decision for many to make, but it can understand why many would rather fight.
Prosecuted for what?
"Rubber bullet" making someone blind, which then was shown to come from some protester with a slingshot?
Shooting someone attempting to grab his gun, just to have that kid pretend to be dead for a nice photoshoot and then bolt right after?

More like being prosecuted for not doing their jobs, such as arrest that guy who set someone on fire and those that were tossing shit from above onto roads, which in any place not ran by niggers would be at least attempted manslaughter. The police are supposed to be apolitical and protect the normie masses, they are doing the exact opposite so yeah, prosecute them.

Who exactly is bending the knee? Protester gets arrested, court releases, then government apologises. You'd think if the police actually did their jobs, we wouldn't be seeing roads and trains being set on fire. To call the police in HK of all places, the same group who were reluctant to take action until violence was initiated against them a "private CPC militia" is pretty funny actually. Go look up how Chinese police treat riots during that anti-Japan mess back in the days.

It's getting really fun for the rest of the world. What are their goals? What is their ambition? Smashing traffic lights and setting roads on fire to achieve exactly what? It's this same shit all over again, if you don't like what the state is doing and you want a violent revolution, take it on the state. Setting people on fire like a barbaric nigger, such revolutionary. It's not my city so I can just watch and laugh, much like the almost weekly Portland brawls involving ANTIFA. I just want to see that next step from building catapults at this point. Lasers can reach those helicopters, I'll just put this out there.

 

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Prosecuted for what?
"Rubber bullet" making someone blind, which then was shown to come from some protester with a slingshot?
Shooting someone attempting to grab his gun, just to have that kid pretend to be dead for a nice photoshoot and then bolt right after?

More like being prosecuted for not doing their jobs, such as arrest that guy who set someone on fire and those that were tossing shit from above onto roads, which in any place not ran by niggers would be at least attempted manslaughter. The police are supposed to be apolitical and protect the normie masses, they are doing the exact opposite so yeah, prosecute them.

Who exactly is bending the knee? Protester gets arrested, court releases, then government apologises. You'd think if the police actually did their jobs, we wouldn't be seeing roads and trains being set on fire. To call the police in HK of all places, the same group who were reluctant to take action until violence was initiated against them a "private CPC militia" is pretty funny actually. Go look up how Chinese police treat riots during that anti-Japan mess back in the days.

It's getting really fun for the rest of the world. What are their goals? What is their ambition? Smashing traffic lights and setting roads on fire to achieve exactly what? It's this same shit all over again, if you don't like what the state is doing and you want a violent revolution, take it on the state. Setting people on fire like a barbaric nigger, such revolutionary. It's not my city so I can just watch and laugh, much like the almost weekly Portland brawls involving ANTIFA. I just want to see that next step from building catapults at this point. Lasers can reach those helicopters, I'll just put this out there.

You can't "pretend to be dead" after getting shot. You go into shock. As for what the protesters want, look up their five demands - one of which is free elections. The people of Hong Kong have been under CCP occupation since the British left and all this unrest is the CCP's fault for lying about their "one nation two systems" policy. I bet you'd think the Polish were the bad guys in the Warsaw Uprising.
 

Coleslaw

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You can't "pretend to be dead" after getting shot. You go into shock. As for what the protesters want, look up their five demands - one of which is free elections. The people of Hong Kong have been under CCP occupation since the British left and all this unrest is the CCP's fault for lying about their "one nation two systems" policy. I bet you'd think the Polish were the bad guys in the Warsaw Uprising.
What I mean is you can agree with the ends without endorsing all the means. You can condemn John Brown's methods while opposing slavery.
 

MadDamon

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You can't "pretend to be dead" after getting shot. You go into shock. As for what the protesters want, look up their five demands - one of which is free elections. The people of Hong Kong have been under CCP occupation since the British left and all this unrest is the CCP's fault for lying about their "one nation two systems" policy. I bet you'd think the Polish were the bad guys in the Warsaw Uprising.
I would like to know what do the CPC lie to HK about '1 nation 2 systems'.
 
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MadDamon

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Namely, that the mainland would leave HK politics alone, and now they're outright hostile to those who view HK as in any way different from the mainland.
Uhmmm, that's not 1 country,2 systems means.

From wiki:
Chapter 1, Article 5 of the Hong Kong Basic Law, the constitutional document of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, reads:[4]
The socialist system and policies shall not be practised in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, and the previous capitalist system and way of life shall remain unchanged for 50 years.
It means that HK would not implement any kind of socialist policies. It doesn't mean that mainland would not have a saying in HK polictics.

The richest people in Hong Kong today are exactly the same as 20 years ago. There is no way for lower and middle class people to rise to the top by hard work. The government imposes an artificial shortage on land so the tycoons can keep making a profit on renting out housing.

If the Chinese government had been half the leftists they'd claimed to be, they would've done something about the tycoons and the high cost of living AND THEN worked on restricting individual liberty. Then people would be worshipping the ground they walked on. But now the people of Hong Kong have lost their economic freedom and are seeing their political freedom go too. Not having bread is not an excuse to take away butter; it makes having butter all the more important.
Hhmm, isn't that a problem of capitalism, and not the CPC problem?
I mean, if the CPC fucks with the riches in HK, which also means it fucks with the economic system of HK, and thus making them breaking the '1 country,2 system' vow? And that's your problem with the CPC in this.
I feel like if you want to pick a cause to go against the PCP, maybe it is better to pick a cause like it slowly turning HK into another province of China by allowing a huge influx of Mainlander to take up permanent residency in HK, which is really fucking up HK without breaking '1 country,2 system'.
Also, the HK gov did propose to use some of the many hill area or to do some land fill to build private condos and public housing, but it was opposed by many environmentalists, so that goes out of the window and HK is still technically out of land.

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AltisticRight

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Dump for 16th of November.

Ethno-Republic of Chinese University
RIP, 13/11/2019-15/11/2019

They accidentally set fire to one of their vans used to made firebombs.
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"No smoking"
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Firefighters putting out the blaze, how dare they impede on the ethnostate?
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Made in China catapult.
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Gundam to the rescue.
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Students leaving Chinese University due to the unrest.
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Brick blockades built to secure the existence of our campus and a future for freedoms and democracies in HK?
This is actually a better idea that those stupid catapults.
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"HK locals do cleanup work, lots of foreigners too"
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Locals clash with the cockroaches (protesters), MTR station. Civil war mode.
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There was a second explosion, apparently on the highway.

Apparently PLA is coming in? I dug around and sources are autistically conflicting. Most say they are there to do cleanup work the pussified police are too cucked to do. This would be against the agreement but the simple way around it would be "it's winter holidays and they are volunteering". None are armed or anything, let's see how this plays out.
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AltisticRight

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You can't "pretend to be dead" after getting shot. You go into shock. As for what the protesters want, look up their five demands - one of which is free elections. The people of Hong Kong have been under CCP occupation since the British left and all this unrest is the CCP's fault for lying about their "one nation two systems" policy. I bet you'd think the Polish were the bad guys in the Warsaw Uprising.
The lot of you seem to be incapable in understanding something very very basic, the world isn't black and white.
Did you even see that video of the kid getting shot? Go into shock lol, I guess he was so shocked, he became Pikachu and used the move volt tackle. Did you see the videos and photos with everything cropped out, such as his bolting afterwards? Fake news much, pulling a People's Daily. People are calling this cop a murderer when he murdered nobody.

I'm aware of the 5 demands, watch the interview posted earlier showing them incoherently babbling on. Also, you ain't getting anything when you're the one setting civilians on fire. They hate the state, they should point their firebombs at the state. As for what I think about the demands, the fifth one I fully support, the rest can go fuck itself.
1) Extradition should be worked out. That means allowing HK the freedom of speech but also any criminal who wants to seek the safe haven should be sent back. One nation two policies but no extradition, this is laughable. That murderous piece of shit should be sent to Taiwan to get prosecuted or better thrown into a fire.
2) Sure.
3) Right, setting people on fire and making fire bombs, tossing stuff from heights, bashing civilians... not a riot. Fine, call them terrorists then.
4) Fuck off
5) Fine with me, total support.
Notice how 3 out of the 5 are about these protesters themselves? How about extend the agreement to more than 50 years? I would have put that in if I were them. How about "CPC stay out of our education system"? It's all about themselves. They want a revolution but they don't want to bear the consequences of it, what a bunch of brats.

"CCP occupation" is funny too. HK was a British colony and they had no vote when they were. HK historically has always been a part of China whether you like it or not, the same with Taiwan actually, if you care to look up all the maps. Taiwan is a totally separate subject, it's the nations' ongoing civil war. I think they should be a legitimately independent country, but that's beyond the point.

As for the two systems, I'm sure the mainlanders love the fact that HK pays very low utility bills and have an extremely liberal taxation system. The funds for massive projects mostly come from the mainland too, such as HK-Zhuhai-Macau bridge (CN 44.5% HK 42.9% Macau 12.6%). It's not perfect by any means, but it's two different systems.

We haven't even considered economics yet. Tourism fell by a massive 40%+ (thanks protesters, I cancelling mine, goodbye), the hospitality industry saw 45-68% decrease in revenue due to these protesters. Their parents are forking out a huge bill so they get to play with firebombs. It's possible to say fuck the CPC for their scheming and also to hell with the protesters for the chaos they brought to the city.

Also, the HK gov did propose to use some of the many hill area or to do some land fill to build private condos and public housing, but it was opposed by many environmentalists, so that goes out of the window and HK is still technically out of land.
Heard about this some time back, environmentalists ruin everything. "Fuck public housing, who cares if HK is a million by the inch, muh trees". I bet these environmentalists come from affluent backgrounds and don't need to worry about a shelter, they don't live in a tiny cubical.
 
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NotAWeeb

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my reasoning is that i support the protesters because they've done nowhere near as much bad as the govt or police. most of what you suggest the gov't do would probably diffuse tension, which is why it's so mindboggling that they haven't, although i agree that they probably won't have too much long-term effectiveness. but the whole battle is more symbolic than anything else at this point anyway. if the government does literally anything to address the demands, then the protesters win, and xi jinping feels like his penis is a bit smaller than it already is. but they've done literally nothing to address any of the other demands, at least two of which are perfectly reasonable (independent investigation and cabinet shakeup). they've never done anything but let rioters and cops run rampant, bringing out the worst in each other, and making life increasingly shitty for all of us here.

on the cops though, i have basically no sympathy. they're filth. they should just quit their jobs. the front liners are bullies and thugs, as we've seen in countless videos, and the top brass's sole job is to excuse all of their actions in daily press briefings, no matter how straightforwardly awful they are. they have zero accountability, and to me that's the biggest problem.

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would be completely fine if there were any, any possibility of hk police being prosecuted, but they won't. so what are protesters to do? bend the knee to a completely unaccountable police force because they might end up doing bad things themselves? well, many have done this, and it's a hard decision for many to make, but it can understand why many would rather fight.
What a load of horseshit. The protestors have routinely set fire and smashed up stores, restaurants, destroyed the MTR that most people rely on to get around, caused car accidents, thrown shit in front of open traffic with moving cars, set fires everywhere, ripped up sidewalks to litter roads with bricks, assuming they're not using the same bricks to hurl at people or cars, the light rail is completely destroyed, many have openly attacked the police, openly harass if not outright beat pro-Beijing supporters, set a man on fire, and even killed a guy by hurling bricks at them.

Name one other fucking country where the police would've not retaliated worse. Somehow burning Hong Kong to the ground is justified because they didn't withdraw a bill fast enough, or did it "in a condescending way" as you put it. You also neglected to mention that Carrie Lam will be stepping down in March. The other demands are completely absurd, like the petty retraction of any mentions of the protests being "riots". The demands may have been drafted when protests were still relatively peaceful, but this is such an absurd way to sweep everything under the rug. The release of EVERY single protestor is another absurd demand, and completely hypocritical to ask for an internal investigation of the police, while simultaneously excuse every action of the protestors, with no questions asked. Might as well dress in black, wear a mask, and just loot and attack whoever you want since they'll suffer no consequences whatsoever if their demand is met.

I don't know who in this thread has actually been following the events, and who's just blindly believing what lihkg propagandists spam on Twitter and Reddit. Because you seem to be ignorant on almost everything surrounding the protests, including officers who have been punished for things such as one officer saying he would celebrate Chow Tsz-lok's death.
 

NotAWeeb

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lihkg (Hong Kong Reddit) openly coordinates propoganda. They've pretty much taken over /r/hongkong. Here's a thread where they're trying to come up with excuses for the protestor that killed an old man with a brick recently. They're brainstorming ways to spin this like saying he was "teamkilled" by pro-Beijing protestors, or that he himself was pro-Beijing and therefore deserved it. This is all because a bunch of idiots in the protest thought it was a good idea to adopt the idea that you're not allowed to condemn ANY actions of other protestors from fear that it could split the movement.

 

NotAWeeb

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Anything revolving around Chinese politics is really iffy, since almost every source has an agenda either for or against China. China Uncensored, being clickbaity aside, gets a lot of facts wrong. Like for instance, they claim the attacks on Maxim franchises like Starbucks was due to the owner of Maxim's speaking out against the protestors, when in fact he died in 2003, and it was his daughter who spoke out, who is not even directly involved with the franchise and has even tried to distance themselves from her comments. It's not real journalism and I would take a lot of what they say with a grain of salt.
 

Toxinophile

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What a load of horseshit. The protestors have routinely set fire and smashed up stores, restaurants, destroyed the MTR that most people rely on to get around, caused car accidents, thrown shit in front of open traffic with moving cars, set fires everywhere, ripped up sidewalks to litter roads with bricks, assuming they're not using the same bricks to hurl at people or cars, the light rail is completely destroyed, many have openly attacked the police, openly harass if not outright beat pro-Beijing supporters, set a man on fire, and even killed a guy by hurling bricks at them.

Name one other fucking country where the police would've not retaliated worse. Somehow burning Hong Kong to the ground is justified because they didn't withdraw a bill fast enough, or did it "in a condescending way" as you put it. You also neglected to mention that Carrie Lam will be stepping down in March. The other demands are completely absurd, like the petty retraction of any mentions of the protests being "riots". The demands may have been drafted when protests were still relatively peaceful, but this is such an absurd way to sweep everything under the rug. The release of EVERY single protestor is another absurd demand, and completely hypocritical to ask for an internal investigation of the police, while simultaneously excuse every action of the protestors, with no questions asked. Might as well dress in black, wear a mask, and just loot and attack whoever you want since they'll suffer no consequences whatsoever if their demand is met.

I don't know who in this thread has actually been following the events, and who's just blindly believing what lihkg propagandists spam on Twitter and Reddit. Because you seem to be ignorant on almost everything surrounding the protests, including officers who have been punished for things such as one officer saying he would celebrate Chow Tsz-lok's death.
I've been lurking in this thread and I'll say I agree that the violent tactics the protesters have been using are abhorrent and have made me lose sympathy for their own cause. However, ever since this whole protest began and to now I have never had any moment of sympathy for China, its government, or its sycophants that blame the protesters for causing this. This goddamn riot has been rampaging for months not because 2 million spoiled HK kids decided to protest but because the the thousands of HK youth are pissed at their own government, pissed at China, and pissed that the same 2 million protesters with 5 demands couldn't do fucking anything. Of course people are going to resort to violence at this point. What are fuck you going to do? Tell them their protest failed and that they had to go back to being regular citizens of soon to be Hong Kong, China? When those protests didn't work it meant that eventually all those people living in HK will have winnie the pooh's and his cohorts' dicks up their ass. They're the same assfuckers that's been slowly wiping out tibet, abducting countless people for criticising the government, and harvesting their organs while the rest of the world turns away.

It sucks that the situation got so out of hand and hopefully this story has a an unexpectedly peaceful ending, but personally I still have more respect for the protesters/rioters that tried to fight back against China strongarming HK than the spineless, defeatist bitches that believed the protesters shouldn't have tried to fight back at all.
 

MadDamon

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I've been lurking in this thread and I'll say I agree that the violent tactics the protesters have been using are abhorrent and have made me lose sympathy for their own cause. However, ever since this whole protest began and to now I have never had any moment of sympathy for China, its government, or its sycophants that blame the protesters for causing this. This goddamn riot has been rampaging for months not because 2 million spoiled HK kids decided to protest but because the the thousands of HK youth are pissed at their own government, pissed at China, and pissed that the same 2 million protesters with 5 demands couldn't do fucking anything. Of course people are going to resort to violence at this point. What are fuck you going to do? Tell them their protest failed and that they had to go back to being regular citizens of soon to be Hong Kong, China? When those protests didn't work it meant that eventually all those people living in HK will have winnie the pooh's and his cohorts' dicks up their ass. They're the same assfuckers that's been slowly wiping out tibet, abducting countless people for criticising the government, and harvesting their organs while the rest of the world turns away.

It sucks that the situation got so out of hand and hopefully this story has an unexpectedly peaceful ending, but personally I still have more respect for the protesters/rioters that tried to fight back against China strongarming HK than the spineless, defeatist bitches that believed the protesters shouldn't have tried to fight back at all.
So, what you are saying is that, people who don't support an unreasonable, unwinnable fight started by a group of people who have no real plan once they get their way, that is slowly troching the whole city irreversibly is spineless?
Let's face it, the protesters have no real plan after they get their way. All they have say is 'now we are going to get Carrie Lam out', 'now we are going to fight with evil big brother and his compadre so we need the help of you', they have never talked about what they are going to do once they get all their way. No ' who/what is going to replace Carrie the moment she steps down', 'how to ensure that the individual investigation team to be not biased and would examine all evidence provided by both side, as an obvious bias could be seen within the protesters toward police', 'how to establish a system for duel universal suffrage, which is unseen in all countries in this world, that is viable and would promise a stable and smooth-working government' and talks like that. Even for a lie, they never talk about that. Do you think handing the city to this bunch of clueless people is a good idea?

Also, you do know that this kind of 'either you are with me or you are a racist/defeatist/bigot/communist' is the same logic used by SJW, right? If SJW jungle your jammies, then why is it suddenly okay to use just because someone wants nothing with this shitfest?

What a load of horseshit. The protestors have routinely set fire and smashed up stores, restaurants, destroyed the MTR that most people rely on to get around, caused car accidents, thrown shit in front of open traffic with moving cars, set fires everywhere, ripped up sidewalks to litter roads with bricks, assuming they're not using the same bricks to hurl at people or cars, the light rail is completely destroyed, many have openly attacked the police, openly harass if not outright beat pro-Beijing supporters, set a man on fire, and even killed a guy by hurling bricks at them.

Name one other fucking country where the police would've not retaliated worse. Somehow burning Hong Kong to the ground is justified because they didn't withdraw a bill fast enough, or did it "in a condescending way" as you put it. You also neglected to mention that Carrie Lam will be stepping down in March. The other demands are completely absurd, like the petty retraction of any mentions of the protests being "riots". The demands may have been drafted when protests were still relatively peaceful, but this is such an absurd way to sweep everything under the rug. The release of EVERY single protestor is another absurd demand, and completely hypocritical to ask for an internal investigation of the police, while simultaneously excuse every action of the protestors, with no questions asked. Might as well dress in black, wear a mask, and just loot and attack whoever you want since they'll suffer no consequences whatsoever if their demand is met.

I don't know who in this thread has actually been following the events, and who's just blindly believing what lihkg propagandists spam on Twitter and Reddit. Because you seem to be ignorant on almost everything surrounding the protests, including officers who have been punished for things such as one officer saying he would celebrate Chow Tsz-lok's death.
lol you really think people outside of HK would know much about anything about this besides what the MSM and twitter bird twink to them, ain't you? How cute.
 
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NotAWeeb

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I've been lurking in this thread and I'll say I agree that the violent tactics the protesters have been using are abhorrent and have made me lose sympathy for their own cause. However, ever since this whole protest began and to now I have never had any moment of sympathy for China, its government, or its sycophants that blame the protesters for causing this. This goddamn riot has been rampaging for months not because 2 million spoiled HK kids decided to protest but because the the thousands of HK youth are pissed at their own government, pissed at China, and pissed that the same 2 million protesters with 5 demands couldn't do fucking anything. Of course people are going to resort to violence at this point. What are fuck you going to do? Tell them their protest failed and that they had to go back to being regular citizens of soon to be Hong Kong, China? When those protests didn't work it meant that eventually all those people living in HK will have winnie the pooh's and his cohorts' dicks up their ass. They're the same assfuckers that's been slowly wiping out tibet, abducting countless people for criticising the government, and harvesting their organs while the rest of the world turns away.

It sucks that the situation got so out of hand and hopefully this story has a an unexpectedly peaceful ending, but personally I still have more respect for the protesters/rioters that tried to fight back against China strongarming HK than the spineless, defeatist bitches that believed the protesters shouldn't have tried to fight back at all.
Extradition bill is gone, Carrie Lam is going to piss off in a few months. Why should I care about these childish 5 demands? Only demand that has any weight is the internal investigation into police brutality. It's already a pain in the ass having an hour or 2 added to my commute to work because some high school shithead thinks he's the next Gandhi or Dalai Lama because they block train doors, and for what? To beg the government to rescind any mention of this as being a riot?

Look at sites like Twitter to see why protestors are still protestors, a bunch of delusional exceptional individuals that think China's going to charge tanks into the universities, or that the police are secretly going to make everybody arrested disappear. This whole mess is still going on because Hong Kong is full of gullible exceptional individuals that believe every tabloid site and conspiracy their friends send them on Whatsapp and Facebook. You have people who think that thousands of people have already been secretly culled. You have some of the dumbest morons here who try to spin any conspiracy they can come up with like how the police are secretly trying to kill everybody with extended exposure to tear gas. If I thought half of these things were going on here in Hong Kong, I wouldn't be protesting, I would be fucking off to another country immediately and never look back, but I don't, so now I have to deal with this shit everyday here.


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