War Hong Kong Garden Takeaway (Megathread) - Time to kill some fuckin' ugly reds

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Rausch

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Here's an interesting thing I read about earlier today.


Too early to know what it all means to be honest. The FT has a good article on it too. It's funny how the China shills always turn the comments on China articles in to borderline /pol/ tier shit shows, even behind the FT's paywall. (Although to be fair, the comments on Trump articles are no better.)

Here are some screenshots of normies making good points and dunking on China shills:

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A normie doing a little shiposting:

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And it's all too much for one China shill who is evidently no stranger to edgy Internet arguments. Looks like he has got assblasted enough to forget he is supposed to be politely convincing middle aged Western professionals, gets petulant and makes it racial. Doesn't look good!

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BTFO'd by normies - sad!
 

MadDamon

MAD DAMON
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You are, obviously, ignoring the earlier point I made (twice now) that updating your law is not the same thing as surrendering your judicial independence to a communist mafia that doesn't even do a good job of making a pretense of respecting its own laws.

I am calling you names because you deserve it for either repeatedly playing stupid about not understanding the gap between "updating your law" and "formally surrendering judicial sovereignty to China" OR being genuinely too stupid and lazy to read and understand the thread.
If you feel like the bill is a form of surrendering the independence of Hong Kong to the PCP, would you be kind enough to suggest a practical way that could patch up the hole while not going to give any way the CPC to arrest whoever they want in HK?
 

theshep

True & Honest Fan
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Here's an interesting thing I read about earlier today.

A predictable response from the Chinese Embassy.

 

Rausch

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If you feel like the bill is a form of surrendering the independence of Hong Kong
Regardless of what I think, there seem to be quite a lot of people in Hong Kong who think that the (now withdrawn) bill represents an odious violation of the spirit and letter of One Country Two Systems and a surrender of Hong Kong's judicial independence, demonstrating once again the bad faith of the Chinese communists and their cronies in the Hong Kong government. That's what started the protests, months ago.

would you be kind enough to suggest a practical way that could patch up the hole while not going to give any way the CPC to arrest whoever they want in HK?
No. I'll leave that to freedom-minded people in Hong Kong that are more familiar with their legal system than I am.
 

3119967d0c

رنج آمریکایی ها
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Too early to know what it all means to be honest. The FT has a good article on it too. It's funny how the China shills always turn the comments on China articles in to borderline /pol/ tier shit shows, even behind the FT's paywall. (Although to be fair, the comments on Trump articles are no better.)
It means you are a stupid Western liberal who believes incredibly lazy fraudsters.

Meanwhile, you support CIA-sponsored subhuman terrorists who burn real working men alive for attempting to interrupt their vandalism. You are disgusting.

Hong Kong father of two ‘burned alive’ after chasing protesters at MTR station in grisly act of violence police classify as attempted murder
A Hong Kong man was set on fire in a horrific act of violence after he chased down a group of masked protesters who had vandalised an MTR station during Monday’s noontime rush hour.
By Monday evening, Lee Chi-cheung, a 57-year-old father of two daughters, was fighting for his life in hospital with severe burns to his body as well as head trauma.
A spokeswoman for the Fire Services Department said Lee had second-degree burns on 28 per cent of his body, mainly his chest and arms. Police have classified the case as attempted murder.
At around 1pm, a group of more than 20 masked and black-clad protesters vandalised facilities at Ma On Shan MTR station on Sai Sha Road in Ma On Shan. The group fled on foot before the police arrived.


Footage shows a man being torched in a dispute at a footbridge in Ma On Shan. He was taken to Prince of Wales Hospital in Sha Tin for medical treatment
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— SCMP Hong Kong (@SCMPHongKong)
November 11, 2019
Lee, a construction worker who lives in the area with his wife and daughters, was on the way to hospital for a medical examination at the time.

According to police, he witnessed the damage to the station and chased after the protesters. When he reached the On Chun Street footbridge, he was attacked and suffered head injuries. An online video showed someone treating wounds on his forehead.

As Lee walked away, he shouted “You are not Chinese” to the group. The protesters responded by yelling “We are Hongkongers”.

The victim stood up bravely after the sabotage, but the rioters tried to burn him alive

The video footage then showed Lee returning to confront the protesters, whereupon a dispute ensued.

“During the dispute, he was doused with flammable liquid and set alight,” a police source said.
Lee was conscious when he was taken to Prince of Wales Hospital in Sha Tin, where he was admitted into the intensive care unit in critical condition.

Another source described the attack as ruthless.

“The victim stood up bravely after the sabotage, but the rioters tried to burn him alive,” the source said. “Such an attack is inhumane.”

Officers fromthe Commercial Crime Bureau were assigned to track down the attackers. By Monday evening, no one had been arrested.
https://web.archive.org/web/20191127202437/https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3037243/hong-kong-father-two-burned-alive-after-chasing
 

Rausch

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It means you are a stupid Western liberal who believes incredibly lazy fraudsters.

Meanwhile, you support CIA-sponsored subhuman terrorists who burn real working men alive for attempting to interrupt their vandalism. You are disgusting.
Chang, if you took a breath and stopped seething for a minute, then maybe you'd realise it's not too impressive to critique what I apparently believe about something when I clearly said it's too early to know what it means.

This Chang Bond down under could be a golem created by Strayan intelligence people for some domestic political purpose or a genuine former front-line PRC regime spook who has seen PRC dissidents doing quite well in the West and fancies his chances making some money with a book. Or maybe he's somewhere in between. Or all of the above. If you think that him having a chequered past disqualifies the possibility of him being involved in front line "intelligence" work and now you have won the argument and everyone else gets dabbed on then, well, you are charmingly naive. If true, that shit makes me more likely to believe he's a spook. Because if I'm a meddling globalist totalitarian state doing fucked up shit, I want my front line people to be dirty because firstly, you need dirty people to do dirty shit and secondly, if they fuck up badly or try to defect or put the word out, then I'll drop the dirt I have and say "oh, puh-leeease, obviously we'd never have anything to do with this conman/sex offender!" Like China just did.

And as for your sponsored terrorists, well, Chang, it's fun that the guy who earlier in the thread basically argued that organ harvesting of political prisoners is not really that big of a deal is now taking selfies on the moral high ground.

We don't know who set the man on fire. But we do know that the PRC have agents provocateurs among the protesters because it's obvious. And we do know that the PRC had a big propaganda windfall to be gained from "criminal Hong Kong protesters commit horrific crime against innocent old man" - which they are currently exploiting for all it's worth, even with you - the state sanctioned organ harvesting apologist - shilling his "touching" memorial on Kiwifarms! Anyway, we don't know who did that shit. But there you are getting all preachy about it, claiming to definitely know (when you don't) and building up your whole gay argument against me on the feet of clay of it definitely being independently acting Hong Kong protesters who did him in. Good grief, let's hope they don't let his organs go to waste at least! Funny how you Wumao types roll your eyes at how credulous dumb white people are for believing the nonsense in Western fake news yet uncritically accept the easily as fake Chinese fake news. This is another reason why I keep calling you China shills SJWs.

You're not disgusting by the way, you're just a bit silly. And an SJW.
 
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3119967d0c

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Chang, if you took a breath and stopped seething for a minute, then maybe you'd realise it's not too impressive to critique what I apparently believe about something when I clearly said it's too early to know what it means.

This Chang Bond down under could be a golem created by Strayan intelligence people for some domestic political purpose or a genuine former front-line PRC regime spook who has seen PRC dissidents doing quite well in the West and fancies his chances making some money with a book. Or maybe he's somewhere in between. Or all of the above. If you think that him having a chequered past disqualifies the possibility of him being involved in front line "intelligence" work and now you have won the argument and everyone else gets dabbed on then, well, you are charmingly naive. If true, that shit makes me more likely to believe he's a spook. Because if I'm a meddling globalist totalitarian state doing fucked up shit, I want my front line people to be dirty because firstly, you need dirty people to do dirty shit and secondly, if they fuck up badly or try to defect or put the word out, then I'll drop the dirt I have and say "oh, puh-leeease, obviously we'd never have anything to do with this conman/sex offender!" Like China just did.

And as for your sponsored terrorists, well, Chang, it's fun that the guy who earlier in the thread basically argued that organ harvesting of political prisoners is not really that big of a deal is now taking selfies on the moral high ground.

We don't know who set the man on fire. But we do know that the PRC have agents provocateurs among the protesters because it's obvious. And we do know that the PRC had a big propaganda windfall to be gained from "criminal Hong Kong protesters commit horrific crime against innocent old man" - which they are currently exploiting for all it's worth, even with you - the state sanctioned organ harvesting apologist - shilling his "touching" memorial on Kiwifarms! Anyway, we don't know who did that shit. But there you are getting all preachy about it, claiming to definitely know (when you don't) and building up your whole gay argument against me on the feet of clay of it definitely being independently acting Hong Kong protesters who did him in. Good grief, let's hope they don't let his organs go to waste at least! Funny how you Wumao types roll your eyes at how credulous dumb white people are for believing the nonsense in Western fake news yet uncritically accept the easily as fake Chinese fake news. This is another reason why I keep calling you China shills SJWs.

You're not disgusting by the way, you're just a bit silly. And an SJW.
You seem very mad.

Keep pretending there is a difference between Chinese people who support their government, and those who pretend or are paid not to. There is no difference.
 

Iwasamwillbe

Pagan Syncretistic Sun God
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You seem very mad.

Keep pretending there is a difference between Chinese people who support their government, and those who pretend or are paid not to. There is no difference.
Looks like you've been checkmated @Rausch. Once someone says to you "lol u mad", while proceeding to completely sidestep your argument with some borderline self-refuting nonsense, they've completely won.
 

3119967d0c

رنج آمریکایی ها
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Great moments in raw CIA laziness- their fake Nazis from Ukraine have shown up in Hong Kong.
Prominent Ukrainian neo-Nazi figures have been spotted in the Hong Kong protests just weeks after hosting an “academy of street protest” in Kiev.

Leaders of far-right Ukrainian groups that rose to prominence in the 2014 coup d’etat they helped orchestrate, including the Azov Battalion and Right Sektor, have recently traveled to Hong Kong to participate in the anti-Beijing protests there. It’s unclear why the groups, sporting the apparel of a far-right hooligan group called “Honor” or “Gonor,” have gone to Hong Kong, but the fact that both the 2014 Ukrainian coup and the present protests in Hong Kong have enjoyed extensive support from the CIA-spawned National Endowment for Democracy may give a clue.
“Hong Kong welcomed us as relatives,” Serhii Filimonov wrote on Facebook Saturday, sharing a video of himself and other Ukrainian far-right figures in the semi-autonomous Chinese city. Filimonov once headed the Kiev branch of the Azov Civilian Corps, a support group for the ultra-nationalist Azov Battalion that’s thinly veiled as a civilian NGO.
“Fight for freedom stand with Hong Kong!!” said another post by Filimonov, showing them posing, masked, alongside Hong Kong protesters.

Figures in the video as well as photos posted the following day include Ihor Maliar, an Azov Battalion veteran who sports a “victory or Valhalla” tattoo across his neck, and Serhii Sternenko, who headed the Odessa section of Right Sektor when it torched the Trade Unions House on May 2, 2014, killing 42 people and injuring hundreds in the street violence before and after. Sternenko also helped found the “People's Lustration” fascist gang, which harassed, beat up and humiliated former officials of the Ukrainian government in the months following the 2014 Euromaidan coup.
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Several of the men wear paraphernalia of the far-right “Honor” or “Gonor” so-called youth group founded by Filimonov in 2015, sporting a stylized version of the “trident,” a symbol with ancient meaning in Ukraine adopted by ultra-nationalists, as three daggers. Several also have neo-Nazi tattoos, such as swastikas.

https://twitter.com/HongKongHermit/status/1201509315309293568

The men also posed in front of the wrecked Hong Kong Polytechnic University, where an intense two-week showdown between police and protesters saw more than 1,000 students detained and thousands of weapons seized, including petrol bombs and explosives.

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Early last month, Filimonov, Sternenko and Maliar spoke at an “academy of street protest” in Kiev, the posters of which featured a molotov cocktail emblazoned with the “Gonor” logo.


© SPUTNIK SCREENSHOT
Poster for an "academy of street protest" featuring lectures by several Ukrainian far-right figures
A Ukrainian Facebook page that came to the defense of the Gonor crew and their trip Monday afternoon seems to bridge the gap between the two movements. Calling itself the “Free Hong Kong Center,” the page posts about the supposed strong links between the Hong Kong and 2014 Ukraine protests, complete with the words “umbrella” and “dignity” on their banner, referencing what demonstrators in Hong Kong called their 2014 protests, seen as a precursor to the present unrest, and by far-right Ukrainians to the 2014 coup.

The Center came to the defense of Gonor on Monday, posting that they are “simple activists” now and “are not connected to any Azov movements any more.”
“They assured us they are really against nazism and another kind of alt-right ideology,” they posted, dismissing the neo-Nazi imagery as traditional Ukrainian symbols.


Facebook post by "Free Hong Kong Center" defending "Gonor" members' visit to Hong Kong

It’s not clear exactly what these “simple activists” were doing in Hong Kong. However, it’s worth noting the extensive groundwork laid for both the 2014 uprising in Ukraine and the 2019 protests in Hong Kong via the National Endowment for Democracy (NED).

In the three years before the 2014 coup, the CIA-backed NED sunk $14 million into regime change efforts in Ukraine, and the NED has been cultivating anti-Beijing attitudes in Hong Kong since the mid-1990s, before the territory was returned to Chinese rule by the British Empire.
Whether Filimonov and associates are there at the NED’s behest or as simply a bit of protest tourism is anybody’s guess.

By Morgan Artyukhina
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201912021077466396-why-are-ukrainian-neo-nazis-joining-the-hong-kong-protests/
 

AltisticRight

Matt Jarbo is not the father.
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Here's some fruits of thought. Instead of going on about CIA niggers and calling everyone that disagrees with you a paid commie shill (btw send cheque to chingchangchong@jidf.il), let's just settle a bit.

1. The CPC must reflect on themselves at this point. It's clear that even the side against protesters do not like them. Why is the CPC so hated in HK? If I get booted out of one bar, it could go both ways. If I get kicked out of 109 bars 350+ times (oy vey), then it's stupid to just blame the bars, right?

2. Then comes HK vs Macau. The latter gets everything, their casinos in place, and they even have this universal basic income scheme. They have vast amounts of surplus to a point that they are simply sharing it. Why is HK doing so badly compared to Macau? Cultural differences... I don't see brits rioting as a consequence of all their no-go zones and the Brexit shit.

3. This entire mess was a product of some HK misogynist killing his Taiwanese girlfriend and running back to HK. Neither Taiwan nor the party can do anything. Is justice for this girl's family no longer in question because the bill saw such backlash? China calls this one nation, two systems. It makes absolutely zero sense for "one nation" to lack such a law, but then CPC loves to lock people up for calling them bad words, so one can't exactly assume the CPC will prosecute real criminals. Should the law be made autistically specific, such that it still protects freedom of speech for HK citizens, or is no bill the best and that girl's family should just eat it all up?

There's lots of things worth considering that doesn't involve calling someone a wumao or a CIA faggot. There's no doubt that China has been doing incredibly well considering cannibalism was a thing merely half a century ago under Mao and the country resembled some African shithole. It's probably going to take lots of time until their laws regarding individual freedom is on-par with the country's modern infrastructure. Many like myself are simply sick of waiting. This still begs the question, a nation of 1.3 billion is obviously harder to govern than 30 million. But if those commie faggots can make roads, they certainly can find a way and take a more liberal approach to speech and thought.

I still firmly believe this is history repeating itself, it's the same shit that went on with the Japanese supposedly "overtaking" the world according to left right and centre media which turned out to be nothing. I guess it's more of a concern since China isn't an "ally". The pajeets will taste this after about 20 years or so, all they need is a politician with guts and will. There's already mongering about poos overtaking the tech industry... approximately 100% of telephone scammers are poos, China used to be on this throne a decade ago.
 

HumanHive

Human behavior is exceptional behavior.
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This is actually bad. The major problem for Hong Kong getting full independence (besides, you know, the Chinese military) was that Hong Kong is reliant on the mainland for electricity, water, and cheap foodstuffs. If you're wondering why the UK just handed China the pearl of the orient, this is why. It would have created a Berlin Airlift situation, and unlike Berlin there was no NATO airbases and huge amounts of American aircraft that could carry the necessary supplies into the city to literally keep the lights on. UK had no choice but to accept Hong Kong's annexation; and those living in Hong Kong have for decades had no choice but to accept some compromise with the Chinese government.

If the protests spread to mainland Guangdong, EVERYTHING about that changes. There have always been major divisions between north and south China - culturally, linguistically, economically. Imagine the difference between North and South United States, and throw in a mutually unintelligible dialect into the mix. I personally have always thought that the mainland south was just too thoroughly indoctrinated for the protests to spread, and that Hong Kong was basically going to martyr itself in the name of throwing a wrench into the Chinese economy; but now... now there is hope. Very gay and homosexual optimistic hope, but hope nonetheless.

If you start seeing reports of municipalities, local authorities, or even military units siding with protesters; then China is truly fucked. The odds right now are still heavily in favor of the CCP. Do not think that they'll tolerate this bullshit for long. But that "Chinese Century" that America was supposed to bow its head and accept? Yeah, not looking too likely.

Furthermore, the CCP have no one but themselves to blame for allowing this to escalate. They should have compromised with the protesters early on - like, months ago - and stayed true to the One China Two Systems doctrine. Hong Kong is the goose that lays golden eggs, and has earned the right to squawk about the farmyard as it pleases. Other provinces? Not so much. But the CCP has an obsession with control, and so it strangles the golden goose. Now, it has effectively scared away Taiwan (which it was buttering up slowly but surely) and soon Guangdong.
Good fucking job, Pooh bear.
 
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Senior Lexmechanic

Shitposting displeases the Omnissiah
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This is actually bad. The major problem for Hong Kong getting full independence (besides, you know, the Chinese military) was that Hong Kong is reliant on the mainland for electricity, water, and cheap foodstuffs. If you're wondering why the UK just handed China the pearl of the orient, this is why. It would have created a Berlin Airlift situation, and unlike Berlin there was no NATO airbases and huge amounts of American aircraft that could carry the necessary supplies into the city to literally keep the lights on. UK had no choice but to accept Hong Kong's annexation; and those living in Hong Kong have for decades had no choice but to accept some compromise with the Chinese government.

If the protests spread to mainland Guangdong, EVERYTHING about that changes. There have always been major divisions between north and south China - culturally, linguistically, economically. Imagine the difference between North and South United States, and throw in a mutually unintelligible dialect into the mix. I personally have always thought that the mainland south was just too thoroughly indoctrinated for the protests to spread, and that Hong Kong was basically going to martyr itself in the name of throwing a wrench into the Chinese economy; but now... now there is hope. Very gay and homosexual optimistic hope, but hope nonetheless.

If you start seeing reports of municipalities, local authorities, or even military units siding with protesters; then China is truly fucked. The odds right now are still heavily in favor of the CCP. Do not think that they'll tolerate this bullshit for long. But that "Chinese Century" that America was supposed to bow its head and accept? Yeah, not looking too likely.

Furthermore, the CCP have no one but themselves to blame for allowing this to escalate. They should have compromised with the protesters early on - like, months ago - and stayed true to the One China Two Systems doctrine. Hong Kong is the goose that lays golden eggs, and has earned the right to squawk about the farmyard as it pleases. Other provinces? Not so much. But the CCP has an obsession with control, and so it strangles the golden goose. Now, it has effectively scared away Taiwan (which it was buttering up slowly but surely) and soon Guangdong.
Good fucking job, Pooh bear.
Would not surprise me if Jingping or his cabinet panicks and we see them trying to make these protests go away by killing all the protestors.
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Iwasamwillbe

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This is actually bad. The major problem for Hong Kong getting full independence (besides, you know, the Chinese military) was that Hong Kong is reliant on the mainland for electricity, water, and cheap foodstuffs. If you're wondering why the UK just handed China the pearl of the orient, this is why. It would have created a Berlin Airlift situation, and unlike Berlin there was no NATO airbases and huge amounts of American aircraft that could carry the necessary supplies into the city to literally keep the lights on. UK had no choice but to accept Hong Kong's annexation; and those living in Hong Kong have for decades had no choice but to accept some compromise with the Chinese government.

If the protests spread to mainland Guangdong, EVERYTHING about that changes. There have always been major divisions between north and south China - culturally, linguistically, economically. Imagine the difference between North and South United States, and throw in a mutually unintelligible dialect into the mix. I personally have always thought that the mainland south was just too thoroughly indoctrinated for the protests to spread, and that Hong Kong was basically going to martyr itself in the name of throwing a wrench into the Chinese economy; but now... now there is hope. Very gay and homosexual optimistic hope, but hope nonetheless.

If you start seeing reports of municipalities, local authorities, or even military units siding with protesters; then China is truly fucked. The odds right now are still heavily in favor of the CCP. Do not think that they'll tolerate this bullshit for long. But that "Chinese Century" that America was supposed to bow its head and accept? Yeah, not looking too likely.

Furthermore, the CCP have no one but themselves to blame for allowing this to escalate. They should have compromised with the protesters early on - like, months ago - and stayed true to the One China Two Systems doctrine. Hong Kong is the goose that lays golden eggs, and has earned the right to squawk about the farmyard as it pleases. Other provinces? Not so much. But the CCP has an obsession with control, and so it strangles the golden goose. Now, it has effectively scared away Taiwan (which it was buttering up slowly but surely) and soon Guangdong.
Good fucking job, Pooh bear.
What are you talking about? The CIA astroturfing couldn't be more obvious. We all know that the Zionist CIA agents are the devils of the earth, so anything they oppose must be morally upright.

Always remember:

CIA = bad
Anything opposed by the CIA = good
 
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