How did Chris take 5-6 years to get his CADD certificate/associate's degree? -

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Yawning Bulbasaur

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Was it that he only took one or two classes per semester because he's that lazy, or because he kept failing and having to retake classes because he's that stupid? (probably both) :alog:
 

HarryHowler

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Here's a complete guess as to the timeline of Chris's time at PVCC, based on the information we do know:

2000-01: Starts off on Marketing, but completely crashes and burns, and decides to switch to CADD for the following year.
2001-02: First CADD year, possibly ending in failure.
2002-03: Either his second attempt at his first CADD year (which he passes this time), or his first attempt at his second CADD year (which ends in failure).
2003-04: Tossed out of college before the end of the academic year, thanks to his run-in with Mary Lee Walsh.
2004-05: Suspended.
2005-06: Finally succeeds in graduating, doubtless due to Walsh telling his tutors to make sure he passes so he can stop making her life miserable.
 

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The fact that he took marketing his first year still cracks me up, but the fact that Bob believed Chris had an honest shot of being a functioning member of society without any outside influence (i.e. therapy) makes me sad.
 

4Macie

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What is the ethical mindset behind passing a failing student to get 'em out of your hair? Hell, it's more selfish than ethical.
Chris is "special" and a lot of the time the troublesome "special kids" are allowed to pass on through because no one wants to deal with them or people feel sorry for them because they won't even accomplish much.

The fact that he took marketing his first year still cracks me up, but the fact that Bob believed Chris had an honest shot of being a functioning member of society without any outside influence (i.e. therapy) makes me sad.
Bob (and probably Barb) were in denial that their son was mentally handicapped. They just thought he was slow and that was it.

Here's a complete guess as to the timeline of Chris's time at PVCC, based on the information we do know:

2000-01: Starts off on Marketing, but completely crashes and burns, and decides to switch to CADD for the following year.
2001-02: First CADD year, possibly ending in failure.
2002-03: Either his second attempt at his first CADD year (which he passes this time), or his first attempt at his second CADD year (which ends in failure).
2003-04: Tossed out of college before the end of the academic year, thanks to his run-in with Mary Lee Walsh.
2004-05: Suspended.
2005-06: Finally succeeds in graduating, doubtless due to Walsh telling his tutors to make sure he passes so he can stop making her life miserable.

this is pretty accurate. The only thing I can think of to change is that 2001-2002 didn't even in failure, but he didn't do a full first years amount of credits. 2002-2003 was then his second year that held a lot of first year credits. Because he was tossed out before he could finish his year, he lost any chance at those semester credits (even if he had been doing well). So essentially, it was like he lost 3 full semesters during his "banishment". So his final year was probably the bare essentials to passing. Most people have some extra classes/credits that they take "just because" or to fill in some time, Chris probably had none of those.
 

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What is the ethical mindset behind passing a failing student to get 'em out of your hair? Hell, it's more selfish than ethical.

This really bothers me, because it's not isolated to the CWC story. US educators have a major incentive to pass their problems on to the next chump, rather than saying "Shape up or fucking fail."
 

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I always imagined Bob signed him up not so much that he thought he'd be a functioning member of society but more to get him out of the house. Without some place to go Chris basically has an endless summer vacation where he just hangs out doing fuck all. Basically what he's done since graduating.

Chis took so long to graduate because of being stupid, lazy, and being enough of a pain to get suspended. Looking at the quality of his technical drawings and art skills in general there's no way Bob signed him up expecting anything more then just giving Chris something to do and to get him out of the house for a few hours a day.
 

pickleniggo

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What is the ethical mindset behind passing a failing student to get 'em out of your hair? Hell, it's more selfish than ethical.
There's nothing ethical about it really, but educators (particularly college-level) don't care because they're making bank. It astounds me that Chris passed with his piss poor work and attitude, but I've personally seen it happen in college classes of my own.
 

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The fact that he took marketing his first year still cracks me up, but the fact that Bob believed Chris had an honest shot of being a functioning member of society without any outside influence (i.e. therapy) makes me sad.

What makes me sad is knowing that both the marketing and the CADD probably were directly in line with his hopeless dream to publish Sonichu. He did marketing so he could publish his silly comic, and when that fell through you just know Bob said at some point, "You like to draw, don't you? You should get a CADD degree."
 

Zim

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There's nothing ethical about it really, but educators (particularly college-level) don't care because they're making bank. It astounds me that Chris passed with his piss poor work and attitude, but I've personally seen it happen in college classes of my own.
Exactly this. I went to a private college (don't do it btw) and there was one dude there who took 4 years to do an associates because he always skipped classes and had to take them over. He basically got a mercy pass by the college after taking him for over $100,000. Sort of like "Ok we took enough money from you so I guess we'll just pass you on principal.". He wasn't like Chris at all except that he was really lazy. Even after that he still didn't really do enough work to pass half of his classes.
 

4Macie

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What makes me sad is knowing that both the marketing and the CADD probably were directly in line with his hopeless dream to publish Sonichu. He did marketing so he could publish his silly comic, and when that fell through you just know Bob said at some point, "You like to draw, don't you? You should get a CADD degree."
The fact that he couldn't remember what half of 360 was aside (ps3 humping incident), Chris claim he was good at math and numbers. He also said he enjoyed "simple math" problems. I'm guessing when he failed marketing (or decided it was too hard) CADD was thrown out there because 1) Chris could 'use' it someday and 2) it probably used some of the same credits he'd already done so it wasn't like he was starting all over from scratch
 

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Chris claim he was good at math and numbers. He also said he enjoyed "simple math" problems. I'm guessing when he failed marketing (or decided it was too hard)
I think he started saying he likes "simple math" because he got all pissy that college-level marketing courses would require him to know more than addition and subtraction.

Still, he wants credit for being a math whiz when he can't do what most 3rd graders can.
 

4Macie

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I think he started saying he likes "simple math" because he got all pissy that college-level marketing courses would require him to know more than addition and subtraction.

Still, he wants credit for being a math whiz when he can't do what most 3rd graders can.
Of course he does, it's a miracle he's even alive after all. His mommy told him so.
 

timtommy

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There's nothing ethical about it really, but educators (particularly college-level) don't care because they're making bank. It astounds me that Chris passed with his piss poor work and attitude, but I've personally seen it happen in college classes of my own.

I am a college level educator, so I suppose this is my area of expertise. Here is the info I can give about passing and failing classes.

1. In college, you won't get passed so you are out of the instructor's hair. The only concession most of us have to pity passing is some rough policy that if you get within 5% of passing you will pass.

2. In most colleges, the proportion of people who fail a given class is tightly regulated. If I have a class of 50 and pass everyone, I will be asked to formally justify it. If I fail more than 3 or 4, I will be asked to formally justify it. Basically, everything is marked on a curve. Even if it is not formally announced, instructors will always adjust marking standards up or down based on how the class is doing.

3. In most classes, the people who fail are those who put in almost no effort. Most of the students I fail have multiple missing assignments, never show up for class, etc. I rarely have to fail a student who puts in an honest effort.

4. Most people would be shocked by the poor quality of work/effort put in by the bottom 25-30% of a college class. Since more than half of these type of student pass a given class, there are a number of students who pass with shockingly bad work. I don't know anything about CADD, but I am not surprised that Chris passed. A significant proportion of his classmates would have either submitted equally bad work, or just not handed in major assignments.

5. Most colleges, while they are quite willing to fail students in a given class, are hesitant to fail people out. If you ask for details from someone who says the "failed out" of college, it is most likely that they failed a few things and decided not to continue, or that they were asked to leave a particular major/program, not that they were asked to leave the college in general. It is easy to say that is just because we want students' money, and I am sure that is part of it. But our justification is that a student who is failing might just be in the wrong field of study. Also we wouldn't want to add on to the incentives for students to only take super-easy classes.

Basically, it is not possible to pity pass your way to a college diploma or degree. In all the courses he passed, his work must have at least been competitive with some of his classmates. On the other hand, this could have been mostly the result of him putting in more effort than some of the most slacker of his classmates. This in no way implies that his work was good on any objective standard. On a more macro-scale, getting his degree seems to be largely a result of plugging away at it for a while. Plugging away at it will almost always get you a diploma in something eventually.
 
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