How did we go to politics talk being publicly acceptable/widespread? -

[Give Her The D]

It used to be that the two things you didn't talk about were politics and religion, the opinions on those two things were so widespread that it would inevitably end in disaster. Now, it seems politics is something everyone wants to talk about, some all the time, whether it's Trump, LGBTQ+ rights, etc.

How'd we go from "don't talk about politics" to "everyone act like a retard about politics"?

 

[The Pink Panther]

Blame the media for the rise in political propaganda because of Drumpf.

Edit: Negrate me all you want, but you guys know it to be true in your hearts. I thought that this was the consensus? That ever since Drumpf won, the media has been upping the propaganda to persuade people.

 

[FlappyBat]

Because everything is political. Only oppressors think otherwise.

Edit: See attached baby bat photo. It is of course, clearly political.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Blame the media for the rise in political propaganda because of Drumpf.

I remember when the news was 90% fluff pieces, and 20 mph car chases.

 

[ScamL Likely]

It can probably be traced back to The Daily Show (when Jon "Stewart" was still the host during the Bush Administration) turning millennials into snarky fags who think they understand politics because they watch thirty minutes of propaganda disguised as comedy every night. What we're seeing now took about 15-20 years of similar media to establish itself as a major strain in American pop culture and The Daily Show was probably at the forefront of that type of media.

 

[kūhaku]

I believe it's political polarization. It's inevitable in a system like this, thinking a three party system can happen is optimism. As the time goes on, the two parties polarize and their beliefs become so opposing and contradicting that it becomes a literal "us vs them" mindset. Because of that, people are more willing to talk with those who they believe are "us" and are more willing to sperg against people who they believe are "them."

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

I believe it's political polarization. It's inevitable in a system like this, thinking a three party system can happen is optimism. As the time goes on, the two parties polarize and their beliefs become so opposing and contradicting that it becomes a literal "us vs them" mindset. Because of that, people are more willing to talk with those who they believe are "us" and are more willing to sperg against people who they believe are "them."

And that's why "people talking about politics too much nowadays" is problematic - because it's so divisive.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I remember when the news was 90% fluff pieces, and 20 mph car chases.

I actually have recording of news from 1997 I downloaded off the net, Headline News to be exact, the reason it was recorded was for coverage of the Mars rover but there's a lot of other news.

And it's disturbing how innocuous so much of it is, the polar opposite of today's sky is falling news.

I don't know how much of it is simply how the media has changed and how much of it how more mellow a time the 90s was, but damn.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

In the US 9/11 changed a lot of things, it became really hip to hate on George Bush for his war on terrorism, although the main difference between then and now is it wasn't really too divisive, the main reason why I'm guessing is because social media is the cause of the all outrage mobs and virtue signalling.

 

[MrJokerRager]

The growth of 24/7 for profit news channels played a strong role in it. Compare CNN international to our domestic version of it, the difference is night and day. Journalism and News networks need clicks to remain in business, so they need to put out anything literally to stay in power. And as the BBC and CBC have shown, doing state sponsored networks is even worse because they have turned into full blown liberal propaganda machines even if there was a decade of Conservative governments in the case of the UK. News back then was done in segments on the TV, you had a diversity of newspapers to choose from and radio. The newspapers have decreased in market share and the only ones left are bought out by billionaires or rely on corporate advertisements and sponsoring.

The other problem is turning Journalism into a profession as Matt Taibi talked about on Joe Rogan. Professionals are largely liberal, morally corrupt compared to a working class stiff, have no spine to defend themselves, held hostage by HR Karens and its all catty shit. They also very cosmopolitan so they have no sense of interest in the country since they could fit in anywhere in any major city. For all that diversity talk, professionals all look and talk the same generally. These dipshits and their kids have the luxury of avoiding people they don't like and live in their bubbles.

And Americas are returning back to bubbles and living in a class fuedal style system. Gone are the days when was it Alexis de Tocqueville wrote in Democracy in America that there was greater equality among men than back home in the old country.

 

[Hereitis]

Speds need to know that others think the same as they do. Politics makes it easy to be part of a team.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You've got the discovery of using "comedy" shows and celebrities to constantly shove politics into your face and pavlovian condition people to laugh at orange man. People who watch this and repeat their takeaways don't even realize they're spewing a politicized view of an event. Both these type of shows and also Trump himself are responsible for this. Here's a guy who ran on a populist platform and talked in a way that's easy to understand (simple language, repetition, jokes). He popularized politics in a way. Gave his opponents nicknames. He almost turned politics into IBS. A spectacle.

I'm not trying to be the golden centrist above it all, I'm simply recognising both american left and american right have had to adapt to each other and find new ways of reaching people. I also don't think one man's political campaign is comparable to the whole apparatus that will continue to do this day in, day out, but that's just my personal view of it.

People grow complacent and desensitized, so then it becomes necessary to have ever bigger stimulation to poke people to vote or activise for you. This increased stimulation also helps radicalize people and makes it insanity to the more sensitive. This also makes politics louder than other things and it can drown out various other topics. This then trickles down to what people talk about.

Here's my question: if you bring modern advertising techniques into the past, would they have absolutely devastated the competition?

Would a daily show or a trump have connected with people three or five or seven decades ago?

And if not, what gave people the tools to resist the cajoling finger?

If yes, then wouldn't it all just be the result of more potent messaging, a kind of innovation in manipulating people through media?

 

[Syaoran Li]

Blame the media for the rise in political propaganda because of Drumpf.

Edit: Negrate me all you want, but you guys know it to be true in your hearts. I thought that this was the consensus? That ever since Drumpf won, the media has been upping the propaganda to persuade people.

I sort of agree with this to an extent, but more in the idea of Trump's victory massively exacerbating a preexisting problem.

A lot of the problems were already in place before 2016, and I'd wager a lot of it has to do with social media and the state of the nation in the Bush years that set the stage for the hyper-politicized and polarized America of Obama and Trump.

Not just The Daily Show, but also a lot of blunders that happened under Bush's watch, such as The War on Terror and the Great Recession in the late 2000's.

Then Trump comes along and the media goes utterly apeshit, pouring a fuck ton of jet fuel on an already burning trash fire.

 

[Slowpoke Sonic]

Politics are actually pretty normal to talk about when you're having dinner with several of your family or other activities with your peers. It's not like sperging about Drumpf was one of these online trends that got mainstream after it died down.

 

[Christ Cried]

Social media gave every retard the delusion of having a platform.

 

[WallaceandGromit2]

Be Christian, that's it ought to be.

 

[juwo]

I don't know man, some people are disgusting and too open about what they share these days.

This, a LOT of people nowadays put everything about themselves out there -- from their kinks and sexual preferences to their political views and opinions. Is it simply the Internet and/or social media to blame? I'm guessing so. Still, it's disgusting and annoying and I wish people would shut the fuck up.

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

In the US 9/11 changed a lot of things, it became really hip to hate on George Bush for his war on terrorism, although the main difference between then and now is it wasn't really too divisive, the main reason why I'm guessing is because social media is the cause of the all outrage mobs and virtue signalling.

Yeah, but the problems and spergs that people in the 2000s hated like 9/11, the Iraq War and Great Recession, Dubya and the Fundies etc. were really a thing and objectively bad, but now we got "problems" like dozens of phobias and isms about newly invented minorities.

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

I miss the days when teens and some young adults stayed out from politics considering them boring. After the 9/11 attacks and growing popularity of web forums and blogs in the early 2000s, everyone suddenly became the experts in something they used to avoid.

I mostly care for politics for the memes and cause I'm a real fan of history which I became through adventure tales.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Once upon a time saying something that could be retarded was a large gamble because you could lose your irl friends with a shitty take.
Social media made that fear obsolete as people could always flock to similar circles to state their dumb opinions, normalizing the idea that anyone should care about politics.
It also doesn't help that being seen as virtuous is now a thing people autistically strive for.