How much of trans women is caused by browbeating from bio women? - To what degree is men becoming women political?

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FarCentrist

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There are many reasons men become women. Because they were graped as children and have mental issues. Because they are failed men. Because they want to prey on women (suck my female cock bigot!). Because they want the special rights and privileges of women.

We know all that but I want to focus on the political side. I'm talking about feminists and their usual talking points:

"The future is female"
"Raise female voices"
"Men should shut up and let women speak"
"When women speak, men must listen"
"Stop mansplaining"
"women are victims, men are scum"
Etc etc etc

tl;dr stfu men

These men who hang around these kind of women (leftist feminists) are constantly browbeaten and they don't even get rewarded with sex for taking all that abuse and for supporting the feminist cause. They internalize (to steal a progressive jargon) the feminist ideology until they reach a breaking point:

"Fuck y'all, I'm going to BECOME a woman and achieve victim status. Now you can't criticize me!"

It's like men who become male feminists to score loose pussy (see stonetoss comic) except men become women to score oppression points and rise up the victimhood ladder.

In the short term, it suits the feminists just fine. Men giving up their toxic masculinity and their gender for the feminist cause.

But now it looks like the Frankenstein monster that feminists/leftists created are taking over the movement (trans women in women's sports, trans women pressuring biological women into having sex, trans women being put in women's jails etc). It's got so bad the feminists had to branch out and form a new group (TERFS).

The irony is that all of this is the feminists's fault and to a certain extent, women in general (for not cracking down on the shrill harpies and giving resistance). As a moderate centrist, I just look at the spectacle and laugh.

Finally, after all this, the feminists still act according to ideology and fuck chads (see mattress girl and hooking up with a conservative Chad)
 

Knight of the Rope

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There are many reasons men become women.
And yet you forgot the most important reason of all (and the one that actually supports your theory the most)?
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For real, how do you forget autism? You could have made an awesome case that all of the "The Future Is Female!" propaganda poisoned the minds of the slow-in-the-minds and that's how we get the over-represented proportion of trannies that are autistic as fuck. For shame.
 

Coolio55

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Absolutely and I think it's beautiful that the power hungry morons who ushered in this era are the first ones to be crushed.
Don't forget all the homosexuals who were pushing this shit until they too were unceremoniously shoved out of the spotlight.
I think it's hilarious that they've accidentally created the ridiculous caricature society they claimed we lived in. Truly, the proletariat of insecure rapey men have risen up.
 

Lemmingwise

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Almost none of it. Women have always tried to browbeat men, it's how they identify strength. Whether giving feathers to teenagers in the war years or telling men not to sit wide legged. They just try to nag and nag and want to find the men they can't easily control.

The common causes of transgenderism are:

grooming (sissification/hypnoporn/discord/reddit),
autogynophylia (lack of partner options so attraction at self as woman) ,
make-up (a long going campaign forst pioneered in brazil by make up industry to see purchasable make-up as woman),
rape (homosexual/pedo/cult)
a lesser cause is:
diet and environment (xenoestrogens, estrogen, soy, overweight messing with endocrine system, lack of exercise)

Autism isn't a cause, but they are a group more vulnerable to propaganda and psyops. Those who do it as a result of "browbeating" and getting a kind of victim status exist, and few trannies do not take advantage of this temporary elevated class leverage, but it's honestly a miniscule fragment of trannydom as far as I can see. I think "for attention" is even a more common cause, and that's why you see all the soytubers doing it.
 

Trapitalism

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Unless you are doing so as a way to propel your shitty breadtube channel or some other woke grift, no. At least not by motive. Even then, you can always claim "non-binary" if you don't want to go full-on as a girl.
 

Uberpenguin

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I think you're looking at two separate issues with shared roots.
Increasing centralization and the resulting reduction of class mobility has led to a race to the bottom to see who can be the most dedicated to upholding and advancing the status quo.

So what happened wasn't that the trannies came about as a result of the feminists, more that women tend to be more likely to socially fall in line and thus "4th wave" feminists took to their subservient role far more readily, smugly reveling in their position as the teacher's pet among the liberal elite.

However now the trannies are taking their shit because while men are a lot more single minded and resistant to pressure, ones that do finally take the plunge and become eunuchs are way more driven and competent in cold economic settings and thus are by far the preferred option among the elite class.


Basically the actual contents of feminist ideology doesn't matter to anyone; men have solved the issue of women complaining by just ignoring them since time immemorial. It was simply that feminists and trannies (along with other classes within identity politics) came about as a result of the same increasingly established social mechanisms.
 

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"Men giving up their toxic masculinity and their gender for the feminist cause."

except they often don't; more often than not, when a company hires a troon bold transexual lesbian for diversity's sake, they are simply hiring another straight white male with complimentary woke points. troons do not advocate for the feminist cause, they only advocate for themselves.
 

FarCentrist

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Women have always tried to browbeat men, it's how they identify strength. Whether giving feathers to teenagers in the war years or telling men not to sit wide legged. They just try to nag and nag and want to find the men they can't easily control.
I just had a dark thought. When men gave women and children the lifeboats as the titanic sank, is this men voluntarily ejecting themselves from the gene pool?

"tell me you're a weak man without telling me you're a weak man"

-women after being given life boats
 

Maurice Caine

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I just had a dark thought. When men gave women and children the lifeboats as the titanic sank, is this men voluntarily ejecting themselves from the gene pool?

"tell me you're a weak man without telling me you're a weak man"

-women after being given life boats
White Star had the policy because back then chivalry wasn't dead.
 

Lemmingwise

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I just had a dark thought. When men gave women and children the lifeboats as the titanic sank, is this men voluntarily ejecting themselves from the gene pool?

"tell me you're a weak man without telling me you're a weak man"

-women after being given life boats
Well not if that included their children.

And in contrast to women, for men to fulfill their biological destiny, it's also for them to be the first to be put at risk, much like the worker and warrior ants put their lives down for their queen. Even men without children are protecting their families and species by risking their lives first and without this humans would not have crawled out of the primordial soup and food chain pyramid with success.

It's only in the hyper isolated time of neoliberalism that you think about the individual men and their personal destiny.
 

cybertoaster

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I've heard that in countries that went really progressive and had shit like mandatory quotas for women workers where basically even a borderline retard can get the job, or where women get to retire way earlier than men the local men are going trans "on paper", that is no HRT let alone SRS, not even drag or changing their names since after all the local laws say you dont need any of that to become a woman, just get your gender changed on your ID and that's it.

Meanwhile most FtMs say it sucks to be a man and regret losing their pussypass.
 

Unassuming Local Guy

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Almost none of it. Women have always tried to browbeat men, it's how they identify strength. Whether giving feathers to teenagers in the war years or telling men not to sit wide legged. They just try to nag and nag and want to find the men they can't easily control.

The common causes of transgenderism are:

grooming (sissification/hypnoporn/discord/reddit),
autogynophylia (lack of partner options so attraction at self as woman) ,
make-up (a long going campaign forst pioneered in brazil by make up industry to see purchasable make-up as woman),
rape (homosexual/pedo/cult)
a lesser cause is:
diet and environment (xenoestrogens, estrogen, soy, overweight messing with endocrine system, lack of exercise)

Autism isn't a cause, but they are a group more vulnerable to propaganda and psyops. Those who do it as a result of "browbeating" and getting a kind of victim status exist, and few trannies do not take advantage of this temporary elevated class leverage, but it's honestly a miniscule fragment of trannydom as far as I can see. I think "for attention" is even a more common cause, and that's why you see all the soytubers doing it.
I think misandry-borne troonouts used to be much more common, back when trannies were reviled by almost everyone. It was always partly a fetish, all the way back to Weimar Germany, but until very recently almost every single tranny was MtF, so there has to have been a reason for that. Being a woman is objectively a good thing in modern society. There are innumerable upsides and zero downsides. If you tell some ugly autist that he can slap on a wig and gain every benefit there is to being a woman, he's gonna do it, because he has nowhere to go but up. If a female ugly autist tries to become a man, she's just gonna end up in an even worse place than she was before and she knows it.

So yes, OP does have a point. Although it's less "brow-beating" and more the women-are-wonderful effect, which is objectively real and perpetrated by men just as much as - if not more than - women. If being female wasn't life on easy mode, this shit never would have started to begin with.

The fact that women only started hopping on the Mutilation Express once troons became higher on the totem pole than women further lends credence to this theory. As soon as it's not worth social cred any more, they'll stop doing it. Guaranteed.
 

glass_houses

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I've no intention of getting involved in this because it just reeks of inceldom, but I will weigh in and say this. I spent fifteen years working as a woman in male dominated worksites. The only concessions I got were that sometimes one of the boys would kindly hold a door open for me or help me carry something heavy. I was expected to keep up, give as good as I got, and have a thick skin, which, generally I did. After the first five years or so I did start to draw the line at 'jokes' about me sleeping with whoever my boss was at the time, to my face anyway, can't do much about what they say when you're not there but that's life.

Now, in Australia, because reasons, in certain areas of the scientific sector (that I was in) we import most of our technicians from overseas. I've worked with arseholes from all over the world. I have never ever been accused of sexism, or being the subject of favouritism of one of my bosses because of my downstairs department configuration. But I have been accused of racism, multiple times, both implied and outright, as I tried to get the morons around me to understand that the shining star from abroad that I was desperately trying to find a work around for was in fact a stinking turd.

And not once, on any single separate occasion, did anyone believe me because I was a stupid, racist white woman who obviously didn't know anything about what I was doing.

Aside from getting a few heavy boxes carried for me, I never benefited by way of my sex. Indeed, I was often treated by the males around me like I was a child, or someone slightly lacking in intelligence. All attempts to advance in my career were cut off, and any possible advancements were all given to my male colleagues. Nothing about my life at work was in easy mode. There was absolutely nothing in it that a male trooning out stood to gain, and a fuckton that he stood to lose if he did.

Yes, I did encounter sexism over the course of my career, and plenty of it, but what really, really fucked me over was anti white racism.

Maybe it's sparkles and diamonds and glitter and free tea and scones for women in academia or large administration buildings or those soulless vampires in HR, but I assure you, the rest of the world has to work for a living and it's fucking bitch.