In your opinion, How much survived the fire?
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Not really an opinion thing. I know from an external source that the damage has been over reported by Chris. The fire did enter damage the roof, but I think what it did is burn through the 2nd story and the ceiling. If it's only that room, then the bathroom and whatever is above it got destroyed, but the rest of the house would only get smoke damage.
Smoke damage shouldn't be underestimated, btw. It really does destroy an item.
Smoke damage shouldn't be underestimated, btw. It really does destroy an item.
Batman said:
Great post.
Items directly near/above the origin of the fire probably are a lost. Things in the rest of the house probably have smoke/water damage, which said earlier can still mean most items are at a lost.
Christory101
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Hmm... Id say enough to instigate a ween raid/ treasure hunt if I may be so bold
Christory101 said:
maybe, but how many weens actually live in Greene County? I really hope no one would travel there just for a chance to loot someone's house..
There is evil there that does not sleep. The great Director is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire, ash, and dust. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume.
I wouldn't say everything is a total write off, but I don't think much of the hoard survived.
In regards to Chirs's property, Probably most of the paper-based products and some of his toys are damaged/destroyed. But Chris doesn't seem to be saying much on the matter.
In regards to Chirs's property, Probably most of the paper-based products and some of his toys are damaged/destroyed. But Chris doesn't seem to be saying much on the matter.
Blue Max
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Chris' room appears to be in the front of 14 Branchland, at a corner.
The Fire appears to have started in the back-bottom center of the first floor.
Chris himself has said that the Manchester High School set survived, a little melted; this was probably in his room, and it gives us a starting point to determine how hot his room became.
http://news.lugnet.com/technic/?n=6920
Best guess is that his room hit around 300F. That's bad, and it means a lot of things are likely damaged, but;
Paper's ignition temperature is 451F, below that point it appears ages rapidly. Untreated paper yellows after just a few years, in a fire this can happen in a very short period of time; Chris' work may very well be yellowed by age. My thinking is that that paper isn't artistic grade paper and probably doomed anyhow, but Chris' artwork in his room may have the texture of thirty year old letters; the paper has turned brown.
Most of Chris' Plastic is likely in similar shape to his Legos, deformed slightly but still essentially intact.
Clothing is generally designed to be fire resistant. The fire may have actually served a beneficial role, cauterizing Chris' dirty crapped briefs. This isn't hot enough to build fired clay in Chris' pants, but the bacteria are likely dead and the annoying stink compounds are destroyed.
Chris' Sonichu Medallion is made out of Crayola Model Magic; I've dug up what happens to Play-Doh at this temperature:
http://www.ehow.com/how_5031512_bake-playdoh-make-hard.html
Likely outcome: The Sonichu Medallion has turned rock hard and probably cracked in half; this can't survive that temperature.
Consumer electronics: A Computer CPU can hit 212F when in use, and I think most electronics are going to be similiarily resistant to heat. Rubber, involved in coating cables and wires, is often rated to higher tolerances than 300F, which covers cables. 300F is dangerous...but electronics are fairly resistant.
Things put away: If the FIremen appeared after 10 minutes, anything not exposed is likely safe.
Overall, the heat itself is unlikely to have done major damage to Christory.
What about water damage?
Lego is entirely immune.
Chris' Clothes were previously in a poor hygienic state; Dirty water is not the worst thing to have reached them, and most would be better than they've been in years with proper laundering.
Electronics are an obvious vulnerability, but electronics are intended to be used in high humidity conditions and are likely to survive being drenched better than one might expect. While Electronics can't survive immersion, they're designed to handle 100% Humidity and probably rainy conditions. Nintendo, in particular, is known for overengineering its hardware to be particularly robust. Stories of Game Boys surviving a year exposed to the elements or 30' falls are not unknown.
Paper products do less well under water, but that's because the paper itself liquefies and debonds. Sonichu, if it got soaked, is likely to take on Salvador Dali proportions--but Sonichu is five years old and likely buried beneath other stuff that took the hit.
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This isn't all positives, though;
Possibly in play, and potentially likely, are the results of cleaning chemicals exposed to heat.
Bleach is a chlorine compound, and Chlorine also takes the form of various acids and toxins. If the Bathroom burned downstairs, cleaning compounds went up in flame. This is an irritant minimum and grounds to condemn the property, maximum.
Other bathroom chemicals, like Ammonia, Iodine, and Cleanser are equally dangerous. It might be very unsafe to retrieve Christorical artifacts and they might be abandoned.
There might be a problem with Asbestos, with things like Kaka Makeup or other exotic materials catching fire; there might even be a problem with plastic itself catching fire--but I think most things will have survive at least the fire and water.
But there's another problem of a greater sort. Even if Christory survived the blaze, it might be contaminated with toxins; it might be too much work to save in a house they no longer pay the mortgage on, and there might even be a mental break from what was simply by being forced out of the house. Christory is in mortal peril, because its also unclear that Chris values it anymore. He might very well leave it behind when he and Barb find a new place to live.
We'll see.
The Fire appears to have started in the back-bottom center of the first floor.
Chris himself has said that the Manchester High School set survived, a little melted; this was probably in his room, and it gives us a starting point to determine how hot his room became.
http://news.lugnet.com/technic/?n=6920
Best guess is that his room hit around 300F. That's bad, and it means a lot of things are likely damaged, but;
Paper's ignition temperature is 451F, below that point it appears ages rapidly. Untreated paper yellows after just a few years, in a fire this can happen in a very short period of time; Chris' work may very well be yellowed by age. My thinking is that that paper isn't artistic grade paper and probably doomed anyhow, but Chris' artwork in his room may have the texture of thirty year old letters; the paper has turned brown.
Most of Chris' Plastic is likely in similar shape to his Legos, deformed slightly but still essentially intact.
Clothing is generally designed to be fire resistant. The fire may have actually served a beneficial role, cauterizing Chris' dirty crapped briefs. This isn't hot enough to build fired clay in Chris' pants, but the bacteria are likely dead and the annoying stink compounds are destroyed.
Chris' Sonichu Medallion is made out of Crayola Model Magic; I've dug up what happens to Play-Doh at this temperature:
http://www.ehow.com/how_5031512_bake-playdoh-make-hard.html
Likely outcome: The Sonichu Medallion has turned rock hard and probably cracked in half; this can't survive that temperature.
Consumer electronics: A Computer CPU can hit 212F when in use, and I think most electronics are going to be similiarily resistant to heat. Rubber, involved in coating cables and wires, is often rated to higher tolerances than 300F, which covers cables. 300F is dangerous...but electronics are fairly resistant.
Things put away: If the FIremen appeared after 10 minutes, anything not exposed is likely safe.
Overall, the heat itself is unlikely to have done major damage to Christory.
What about water damage?
Lego is entirely immune.
Chris' Clothes were previously in a poor hygienic state; Dirty water is not the worst thing to have reached them, and most would be better than they've been in years with proper laundering.
Electronics are an obvious vulnerability, but electronics are intended to be used in high humidity conditions and are likely to survive being drenched better than one might expect. While Electronics can't survive immersion, they're designed to handle 100% Humidity and probably rainy conditions. Nintendo, in particular, is known for overengineering its hardware to be particularly robust. Stories of Game Boys surviving a year exposed to the elements or 30' falls are not unknown.
Paper products do less well under water, but that's because the paper itself liquefies and debonds. Sonichu, if it got soaked, is likely to take on Salvador Dali proportions--but Sonichu is five years old and likely buried beneath other stuff that took the hit.
---
This isn't all positives, though;
Possibly in play, and potentially likely, are the results of cleaning chemicals exposed to heat.
Bleach is a chlorine compound, and Chlorine also takes the form of various acids and toxins. If the Bathroom burned downstairs, cleaning compounds went up in flame. This is an irritant minimum and grounds to condemn the property, maximum.
Other bathroom chemicals, like Ammonia, Iodine, and Cleanser are equally dangerous. It might be very unsafe to retrieve Christorical artifacts and they might be abandoned.
There might be a problem with Asbestos, with things like Kaka Makeup or other exotic materials catching fire; there might even be a problem with plastic itself catching fire--but I think most things will have survive at least the fire and water.
But there's another problem of a greater sort. Even if Christory survived the blaze, it might be contaminated with toxins; it might be too much work to save in a house they no longer pay the mortgage on, and there might even be a mental break from what was simply by being forced out of the house. Christory is in mortal peril, because its also unclear that Chris values it anymore. He might very well leave it behind when he and Barb find a new place to live.
We'll see.
JeffGoldblumIRL
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Blue Max said:
I love methodical explanations with numbers and figures. It grounds hypotheses within reasonable boundaries.
What happens to items doused with water post-fire? Is it safe to assume that the interior of the house is soaked and potentially growing mold (or existing mold problems becoming worse)? Because the house is hoarded is it retaining water in the "layers" of the junk?
I haven't much experience with fires save for a minor one on my father's property a long time ago, but that was very localized and extinguishing it was not an ordeal.
Blue Max
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JeffGoldblumIRL said:
The giant wildcard here is that things may well have gone below freezing at 14 Branchland. That should retard mold growth quite a bit, although freezing wet objects can deal damage itself. Mold wants to be around room temperature to grow best--they might not be screwed today, but that timer is running.
If that tarp and the House provides enough cover, the interior will slowly dry out, probably dodging issues of mold (although a dried grey water crust is likely no better). Mold is very possible IF the weather warms, which seems to be in the cards soon. So, quite possibly "Not Yet" on the mold, but that's damage delayed, not damaged denied.
14 Branchland probably goes from pools of water to wet piles of stuff within a couple of hours. Evaporating those piles can take weeks, so If I had to guess, that's an imminent concern. Some portions of the hoard are likely waterproof (dishes), some likely to get away with minor damage (Finished Wood Products, damp electronics and anything with a plastic coat are probably going to make it). All the clothes that aren't made of rubber, finished leather or some other very robust material is either a loss or going to become one.
When that water dries, even if there is no mold in it, all that crap that was in the water dries into it. Toxins from burning cleaner chemicals, plastics, Kaka makeup qualify it as trash, but even if it weren't--who is doing laundry in a house with no power?
Here's a thought: If a lot of stuff survived, will Chris and Barb be allowed back into the house to salvage what they can? Depending on the direction of the fire, could it have greatly weakened the integrity of the house and could possibly collapse if someone went poking around in there?
Blue Max
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Iamthatis said:
That would be quite bizarre, and while I can believe Chris never using such products, I'm pretty confident that's where they'd logically go. I recognize who we're talking about here, but I think Bob would have some placed in the Bathroom and they'd still be in a cabinet three+ years later.
This is Barb we're talking about here. I don't think I'd ever bet on her "not having" the appropriate stuff in the right place, it's the reverse that's likely.
If it matters, various forms of random crap in the Bathroom likely burned with other nasty effects, although toxic chlorine compounds probably aren't on the menu. CWC/Barb would be very lucky if the results of the fire were benign.
QueenMegan
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The decay of hoard, insects, and mold, followed by a fire quickly sweeping through the mess and dirty crapped briefs, then smothered in water and subjected to freezing temperatures. Things are not faring well for the Casa Chandler.
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