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I was thinking earlier today about the sketchy nature of "gender" and how it's used by people to almost be like someone referring to the color of their "aura" or pontificating about the nature of their "soul." It reeks of some of the "mentalism" that the Behaviorists in psychology (e.g., Watson, Skinner) sought to remove. The Behaviorists may have taken too strong a stance, but I think "gender" may be exactly the sort of concept they tried to remove from psychology since it's supposedly divorced from external behavior and, going by the cognitive route, it's merely based on a "feeling" that apparently doesn't tie to anything biological; it's entirely a self-report without anything externally observable. Even cognitive psychological research in perception and memory, etc, doesn't rely on self-reporting.

This "non-binary" stuff seems to have no biological referent and doesn't even seem to really have anything to do with behavior. It's all, as stated, just a person's "feelings." It's true that the concept of sex is messier than a lot of pundits on the right give it credit for (look up Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome for examples of very feminine XY females), but human behavior IS based on our biology to a large extent (as much as the left wants to deny it at every opportunity) and certain behaviors are more or less associated with belong toeither the male sex or the female one. What causes transgenderism or why do people claim to be non-binary? Shouldn't we have more research done on the nature of these things before he rush headlong into embracing them and celebrating them at every opportunity without any reservation? Non-binary I almost dismiss out of hand due to it seeming so evolutionarily and biologically implausible, and I'm sometimes skeptical over why transgendered people actually do what they do--I've seen multiple people switch to fit into a new peer social justicey peer group.

Seems like bullshit.

But the APA obviously has stances on transgender and supports the notion of the "gender nonbinary." How much of the stances of these organizations is really based on "the research" and not the political machinations of the people that make up the organizations? Not merely the APA, but other organizations, even those like the WHO or other supposedly neutral yet highly respected organizations. Anyone with any behind-the-curtain insight or special knowledge of these things?
 
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What did he mean by this?

Sounds like bullshit, but it's not. For an example of an XY female that is "female" by any social standard and most medical ones, see this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

The one thing the social justice gender warriors get right is that sex is (at least a little bit) more complicated than just XX or XY chromosomes, since much or most of development is controlled or mediated by hormones--and when hormones are involved, things can get complicated or messy. These women are, by definition, genetically male, but they are really phenotypically female. Remember, there's a difference between HAVING (for example) a gene and having a gene actually be expressed. Look at the wikipedia page and see the picture of the nude woman. You couldn't call that a dude and you wouldn't want her in the boy's locker room. Because of this when we talk about "sex" we actually aren't necessarily talking about just one concrete thing.

A woman could go through life with such a condition and have no idea she was even "supposed" to be male. And other than infertility and a shallower vagina, they wouldn't even know they were different. They used to hide this fact from the family--and therefore, from the person affected themselves!

It's why I roll my eyes when conservative pundits state something to the affect of "just look at the chromosomes, problem solved." It actually IS more complicated than that. I don't want to bolster the social justice worldview, but I really want to strengthen the arguments of people that object to this bullshit.

Biology itself seems to hate producing categories with strict and easy delineations that will apply in all instances, and that even does include sex. Look at the species problem, for example. Such categories are human impositions--but highly, highly useful and necessary ones, even if we can't settle on a single definition for "species" But the gender warriors make an error; in the quest to make everyone special and validate every person, they sometimes essentially end up taking a position on gender that's analogous to believing that every single organism on Earth is its own species. Or they go the other way and would reject the concept of "species" outright. With gender and/or sex, of course, it's not so ambiguous given that biology has only two categories that are reproductive and in humans and most other sexually reproducing animals, anything else is technically just an amalgam, taking characteristics of both of the sexes--not creating a whole new type of reproductive organ the world has never seen before.

And despite the left's dogma of humans being a blank slate and everything is changed by nurture, it seems that there are male and female-associated behaviors. The idea that humans are sexually dimorphic physically but we're an evolutionary exception that isn't affected behaviorally or neurologically is ridiculous. The idea that gender is completely independent of sex is an outgrowth of the blank slate dogma. So if there was such a person that was "gender nonbinary," they may just have something going on inside of them that makes them prone to a mixture of sets of behaviors, hypothetically. If we judge a concept by its utility to human understanding, than "gender nonbinary" doesn't tell us anything. We say humans have two kidneys and two lungs because the vast majority of people are born like that, and it's part of the general "template" of what a human is. We don't invent whole new categories for people that are born with one kidney or lose a lung. We simply describe them by the strong general tendency. Why say nonbinary when you can say someone is male with some feminine behaviors or inclinations, for example? Millennials love fancy little labels to make them special so they can't do that, of course.

But, I'm pretty sure most if not all of them have mental problems that cause these feelings or behaviors, whether it's being deeply depressed and lonely to the point of a mental disturbance (Narcissa Wright) or sociopathy (TransLine fatties). True intersex is exceedingly rare, and I highly doubt this many people are naturally trannies if there are such a thing.

I don't want to pass too hard a judgment on the trannies as we really don't know what the cause of transgender is. What I'm afraid of, is that we could never know, because I'm afraid the wrong conclusion will be quashed. Studies DO get buried or not published if the journal editors really hate that theory. Imagine if someone actually did prove something most of us would find horrible--that whites really did have much higher IQs than blacks and it was attributable to heritability--do you think a study like that would get published? I'm not saying I believe that is true, I'm just giving it out as an example. Ha ha ha, nope! Never in a million years would it be published. They'd attack you for researching the topic to begin with, and good luck getting funding from anything other than Jared Taylor's little foundation or whatever. So be a little bit skeptical towards scientific studies on controversial things, because you can never know what is actually going UNPUBLISHED.

I think a sex-gender distinction is actually pretty fine as long as gender is used in cold, behaviorist terms to refer to sexed behavior and not vague "feelings" someone has which may be more or less intense in an individual and be affected by their overall mental health. As it stands you might as well ask someone what color their aura is, by the way the concept of "gender" is being treated today. Many psychologists (and this is a position I hold) think disassociative identity disorder (aka multiple personality disorder) is not a "real" disorder, at least not in that there are separate distinct personalities in a person's head. Why on Earth with gender do we blindly accept a person's own self-report? This gender bullshit is going back on the victories the behaviorists won and were right to win!

(Also note this portion of the above-linked page--it's relevant)

Most individuals with CAIS are raised as females.[1] They are born phenotypically female and almost always have a heterosexual female gender identity;[40][63] the incidence of homosexuality in women with CAIS is thought to be less than unaffected women.[64] However, at least two case studies have reported male gender identity in individuals with CAIS.[63][65]
 
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They will bend to wherever their money is going to come from, so there is my answer.
Also they will always have a strong motivation to justify their continued existence and continued funding by hyping up the significance of whatever issue they are in charge of investigating or managing.
 

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Also they will always have a strong motivation to justify their continued existence and continued funding by hyping up the significance of whatever issue they are in charge of investigating or managing.

Well, I'm thinking moreso of groups that aren't technically political. Respected organizations, like the APA or AMA or WHO, etc.
 
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