Hunters - Serious Revisionist History and Bad Nazi Hunting

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So Amazon just released this series, touting Al Pacino's first TV role. Shame it had to be so terrible. I'll try to avoid spoilers, but I marathoned this series because I was fascinated with its idiocy. The trailers make it look like a Tarantino-esque romp into some good old ultra-violence against Nazis who secretly invaded America to set up a Fourth Reich. Sounds fun? Nazi hunting has always been an interesting premise, and a pulpy, Tarantino way to do it seemed interesting.

However, it is anything but that. This show has no idea what it wants to be. It wants to try to be a historical piece, an educational piece, a drama, an action series, over-the-top villains, an absurdist take with fourth wall breaking....its just all over the fucking place. There's no one set tone of the show. Its one that doesn't have an identity at all. Fuck, it even breaks out a dance routine randomly at one point. They even do a gameshow about 'Why people hate Jews' that interrupts the flow and serves as some fucktarded lecture and wastes time.

The main problem comes from the lead. It takes way, WAY too long to get him into Nazi hunting mode. We're talking 8 episodes out of 10 here. His existential crisis of whether 'Is this right?' was fucking eye-rolling. Shit or get off the pot. There's too much drama bullshit that gets in the way of sleuthing and tracking down Nazi war criminals. Also, it isn't even sure of its own morality on the subject and its not 'let the viewer decide' issue. The problem is the show is arguing with itself over whether its good or bad constantly. The writers definitely had cold feet just showing them blowing holes in Nazis and letting viewers decide if hunting down these old dudes was right or wrong.

There's a sub-plot with a black female lesbian FBI agent and its not even that, its just so fucking boring. This is a show about Nazi hunting, allegedly. Not about gay romance troubles in the 1970s. Every-time she came on the screen I wanted to fast forward. I just honestly did not care. I did not care about the racial tensions of the 1970s they had to throw in, or any of that shit. Legitimately, give me killing Nazis.

But the main problem comes from the major plot of the show. The key as to why all these Nazis infiltrated. It wasn't a Nazi program. It wasn't the Reich's secondary plan if it fell. No, it was Operation Paperclip. For those that don't know, after WWII, the US and the Soviets were in competition to recruit Nazi war-criminals and scientists to enrich research. It was done by the OSS and they were shipped over here. The main problem is that Operation Paperclip was known about since 1946. The show treats this like it was some major conspiracy in the US government that they had to hide at all costs and would kill over. It was far from this. Operation Paperclip broke December 1946. And it wasn't little known. There were stories in 'The New York Times', 'Newsweek' and other major publications. There was a fucking Gallup poll on it asking Americans what they thought of it, and it was met with a resoundingly 'bad' idea. Elanor Roosevelt and Albert Einstein spoke out against this. The show does everything to convince you that this was shocking and it was done because 'nobody gave a shit about the Jews'.

Not the case. Americans thought it was a bad idea. It was known about since 1946. It wasn't a major conspiracy that people got killed over. So while it tries to paint Americans as bad because they didn't care about the Jews, this is simply untrue. There's even multiple segments to try and shock you like 'THIS SHIT REALLY HAPPENED' (it says that on the screen). They posit this cabinet meeting and all these white dudes laughing about how they didn't give a shit about Jewish lives and wanted the scientists. Again, it had nothing to do with hating Jews or not caring. The simple fact is that at the end of WWII, we were at the brink of war with the Soviets. We became enemies almost instantly. Some wanted to strike at the Russians immediately. This lead to a frenzy to get as much of a lead as possible, which lead to Operation Paperclip. I'm not saying its right or wrong, Paperclip is a very complicated topic and here its reduced to simplicity.

It immediately took me out and almost had me laughing, since Paperclip was never a secret for any length of time. And they're treating it like some major conspiracy and trying to shock you with it. It was pretty sad, honestly.

There's just so much wasted time in this series its kind of shocking to me. The length of time not killing or sleuthing Nazis, the severe lack of action, the idiotic double-crosses and triple crosses, the boring way the Nazi's came into the states (also these Nazis were watched by the authorities, so the fact that they could plan a Fourth Reich is laughable). And the fucking twist at the end, holy shit. Fucking terrible, saw that shit coming. Also it ends with even more goofy shit, trying to be all serious and 'educate' the audience and lecture them, treating them like idiots.

How do you fuck up a show about killing Nazis? Being a pussy about it and trying to attach it to reality when it simply doesn't work. Another really, REALLY dumb moment is when the Black FBI agent thinks the story of Hansel and Gretel is about two Germans pushing a Jew into the oven and stealing her money. The amount of dumb shit this show goes through is miraculous. I feel like they blew 90% of the budget on Al Pacino and just had to fucking fill in the blanks with boring shit instead of action.
 

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I really surprised. After being inundated with trailers over the past week I was sure this was going to be a smash hit just like punching a Nazi in the face! Thanks for taking one for the team because I sure wasn't going to waste time torrenting this obvious abortion. They could have done the same general premise with an actual interesting story like hunt for Eichman or Mengele in South America, but of course they didn't.
 

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lmao at a character literally being a black female lesbian.

The thing about Operation Paperclip is it was a lesser of two evils thing, if we hadn't taken the scientists the Russians simply would have and better us than them, that's all there is to it, the Soviets were as evil a force in the world as the Nazis and any leg up we could get over them was necessary.

And that Hansel and Gretel thing is some next level "what the fuck?" bullshit, since when is a witch ever anything but a witch? To think that would be a metaphor for Jews is asinine.
 

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lmao at a character literally being a black female lesbian.

The thing about Operation Paperclip is it was a lesser of two evils thing, if we hadn't taken the scientists the Russians simply would have and better us than them, that's all there is to it, the Soviets were as evil a force in the world as the Nazis and any leg up we could get over them was necessary.

And that Hansel and Gretel thing is some next level "what the fuck?" bullshit, since when is a witch ever anything but a witch? To think that would be a metaphor for Jews is asinine.

Black Female Lesbian FBI Agent too, no less.

Yeah, the show really downplays the commies like they weren't really a threat and Paperclip was the worst thing ever. Its very revisionist and comes at everything from a modern perspective.

It gets even worse. It somehow morphs into this analogy for Hitler Youth putting Jews into ovens and stealing their belongings. I don't know even know how you get there. Hansel and Gretel was basically a Germanic Folklore tale based on horrific events that happened in the 14th century, such as cannibalism and things like that. To somehow retroactively make it about Jews is asinine and basically pure ignorance.

I really surprised. After being inundated with trailers over the past week I was sure this was going to be a smash hit just like punching a Nazi in the face! Thanks for taking one for the team because I sure wasn't going to waste time torrenting this obvious abortion. They could have done the same general premise with an actual interesting story like hunt for Eichman or Mengele in South America, but of course they didn't.

Yeah, its really not even close. They forgo anything interesting to twist history and forget they're making a series about killing Nazis.
 

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Black Female Lesbian FBI Agent too, no less.

Yeah, the show really downplays the commies like they weren't really a threat and Paperclip was the worst thing ever. Its very revisionist and comes at everything from a modern perspective.

It gets even worse. It somehow morphs into this analogy for Hitler Youth putting Jews into ovens and stealing their belongings. I don't know even know how you get there. Hansel and Gretel was basically a Germanic Folklore tale based on horrific events that happened in the 14th century, such as cannibalism and things like that. To somehow retroactively make it about Jews is asinine and basically pure ignorance.



Yeah, its really not even close. They forgo anything interesting to twist history and forget they're making a series about killing Nazis.
Hell Werner Von Brahn (My Gramp's hero) was actually pro civil rights)
 

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Sounds a lot like what happened with Netflix's shitty Punisher series. Instead of cutting the episode count down and really commiting to action they drag it out and manufacture stupid moral dilemmas to justify the length.

At least half of The Punisher's first season follows a sassy black FBI agent doing literally nothing plot relevant while she serves as a vehicle for really stupid commentary on male-dominated workforces, and the few scenes focused soley on Frank are predominantly about him struggling with the ethics of letting his friend talk him into fucking his wife. This seems like the same shit but with Holocaust allegories instead of cuckolding ones. At this point it's easier to name action shows that aren't boring dogshit that blow their budget on their actors and IPs, and I'm afraid that as long as Amazon and Netflix continue to have zero competition to encourage development of good series that will continue to be the case.
 

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The trailer alone is awful.


Hello, epic department?

It is so transparent that this is just antifa "dogwhistling" bullshit. You know the writers call anyone they disagree with is a nazi.

There's such a huge breadth between killing Nazis in Wolf 3d and the epic bacon "fucking kill fucking Nazis epic fuck yeah kill em haha nazi motherfuckers" you've seen in more recent media. It's agonizing.

The difference is you can smell the tears from the writers of trash like this, thinking about the time kekistanipepe420 called them names on twitter.
 

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I haven't seen this, but being inundated with their promos while trying to watch Amazon Prime has told me all I need to know.


It isn't just woke, and it isn't just shit. It is Woke-Shit.

Seriously, how do you cut multiple advertisements that bad. It turned me off worse than the Ghostbusters reboot adverts, and that is hard to do.

It comes of as some of the cringiest, LARP that I have ever seen.

I honestly can't believe "professionals" made and approved those Amazon Advertisements as something that they want to show off to the world.


So yeah, I can believe that the show itself is a festering trashfire. Thanks for confirming my gut reaction to avoid the show.
 

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At this point it's easier to name action shows that aren't boring dogshit that blow their budget on their actors and IPs, and I'm afraid that as long as Amazon and Netflix continue to have zero competition to encourage development of good series that will continue to be the case.
Audiences might end up doing to Netflix and Amazon what's happening to the film industry now, which is to completely and utterly tune out.
 

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Hell Werner Von Brahn (My Gramp's hero) was actually pro civil rights)

Haha, then you'll absolutely love what they did to him in the series. They refer to him as 'rocket man' (which is what he was known as). They torture him with electricity and blame him for the slave labor that produced his rockets and say 'was the moon worth those millions of lives?' They really trivialize the space race. When in reality, he was a very complicated figure. The main character gets pissed and tortures him until he pisses himself and then he gets shot in the head.

Though the show doesn't really care. Why are they using historical figures and judging them? No imagination.

Does Al Pacino sleepwalk through this, or is there at least one point where he loses his shit and starts hamming it up like a motherfucker?

But yeah, knowing history like I do, this show sounds awful. Thank fuck I never paid for Amazon Prime.

There's only one or two scenes, not at all present.
 

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Considering this show is being brought to people by Amazon Video, the same bunch who brought us the blatant State Department/CIA agitprop show "Jack Ryan", I have a feeling that they’re not actually going touch on the real-life answer to this question:
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Haha, then you'll absolutely love what they did to him in the series. They refer to him as 'rocket man' (which is what he was known as). They torture him with electricity and blame him for the slave labor that produced his rockets and say 'was the moon worth those millions of lives?' They really trivialize the space race. When in reality, he was a very complicated figure. The main character gets pissed and tortures him until he pisses himself and then he gets shot in the head.

Though the show doesn't really care. Why are they using historical figures and judging them? No imagination.
You have to love that they literally torture him until he pees himself. It's clearly more about humiliating the man to an audience posthumously for being on the wrong side at the wrong time rather than condemn him for any genuine crimes. This is why nobody likes or trusts lefties. If they could torture the guy right now they'd make no attempt to hide such a desire on Twitter.
 

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Imagine the media response if white people made a show detailing in graphic detail their racial hatred/murder fantasies. This is the the answer to the ADL's question "why is anti semitism on the rise?"

Look at Sikhs, they're browner and more foreign than most Jews but they don't constantly spew naked ethnic hatred for Europeans so everyone leaves them alone and lets them live in peace.
 
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