I have an ethical question that this very obvious death plague has raised. - Are there any moral issues around lying when society is against you?

[Penis Drager]

I'll take the utilitarian route and just say "whatever you do, make it cause most good or, at least, least harm."
Lying is fine if it helps you and doesn't hurt others. Lying is not fine if it hurts others more than it helps you.

In the case of the vaccine, it doesn't stop you from contacting or spreading the disease, so the moral imperative to take it is basically nonexistent. It's all personal choice at that point. But if you're expected not to have harsh symptoms of the disease and you suddenly do have said symptoms, you're hurting your employer by having to take those days off so...

 

[need shoeonhead nudes]

OP I really enjoy your threads.
And yes you certainly should have lied in that situation. They're already gone into the deep end, you won't convince them otherwise.

The kikes want you fighting with your family and to be depressed and isolated. Atleast you still have people that love and trust you, that's all that matters.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

Then I tried to convince her on religious grounds why I don't want to take it, essentially that I felt something demonic is happening.

Yes, Revelation 13:16-17 "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark,". I genuinely felt something very wrong about restricting commerce except for those masked and social distancing. I think what we are going through is only possible due to the utter failure of Christianity to assert itself today. It is so weak, and the World Economic Forum is so strong. I felt Revelation 13:3 about Jordan Peterson, and I cannot shake the feeling about corona either. I wasn't as religious as my wife, but I just can't stop the feeling that everything is wrong about how we are handling corona. People are sleep-walking into some form of hell, biblical or otherwise.

I am forced to lie to my own mother, because she refuses to see my perspective and respect it for what it is. If people will not respect your decision, then they do not deserve an honest answer.

That is where I am, I may lie to her if that is what it takes. I will hold out because I can, you cannot and so you are probably doing the right thing. I don't know exactly what the right thing is, but everything today feels wrong.

OP I really enjoy your threads.
And yes you certainly should have lied in that situation. They're already gone into the deep end, you won't convince them otherwise.

The kikes want you fighting with your family and to be depressed and isolated. Atleast you still have people that love and trust you, that's all that matters.

Thank you, and thank you.

You're right, today it is best to have family around but I'm not isolated and its been nice to include the mother-in-law more socially. We've only ever bonded over breeding the wife before as the in-law wants grandkids, so now I have a deeper social network locally without the lying. It just sucks to lose family, I though we understood the same morality or at least respected each other's virtues but we did not.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

I lie to people every day. It’s a lot easier than trying to explain the truth or how I actually feel to someone too stupid or stubborn to understand it. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think I’m necessarily smart. I just think that the majority of people I’m forced to interact with on a daily basis are too ignorant and self obsessed to devote any real effort towards.
I can either lie and say I’ve already had my vaccine OR spend hours of my precious time explaining my reasoning flawed or not to someone who’s mind is already made up and never had any intention of actually engaging in a proper discussion about the subject.
Im not saying I’m right. I’m just telling you it’s easier. You’ll save yourself a lot of stress.

 

[HymanHive]

I was raised to believe in the axiom "Honesty is the best policy"

That's bullshit by the way

It's not, at least not now

Honesty is not the best policy, if it was, there would be no need for the statement

Instead, lying is the best policy. But, to lie you wouldn't say "lying is the best policy" because that would be the truth.

Which means that "honesty is the best policy" is a lie, intended to catch out people who believe they should tell the truth.

You shouldn't ever tell the truth to people who aren't your partner. Lie to kids, lie to family, take over the world with your SO

 

[Some JERK]

Ask each and every one of them to give you their personal medical history so you can make sure that they're getting their next pap smear/prostate exam/colonoscopy. Be sure to ask them to also provide you with the results. It's important. Their lives may depend on it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Ask each and every one of them to give you their personal medical history so you can make sure that they're getting their next pap smear/prostate exam/colonoscopy. Be sure to ask them to also provide you with the results. It's important. Their lives may depend on it.

From the sound of things, they probably would.