I generally agree with your reasons for his failure. His more vocal "toxic" fans certainly played a part in messing with him mentally. As someone who only started to watch some of his streams in late April/early May 2018, I don't really know why people hated Caroline so much when Ice was dating her, maybe you could enlighten me on that. On that topic I think the aftermath of the Horseshoe Bay incident certainly fucked with him,with the audience reaction seeming to me and most likely ice as well being that his audience didn't want him to be happy. The subsequent depression that Ice has seemingly fallen into contributing to his existing lack of discipline and mental health issues.Ice gets shit on a lot and for good reason. Still, there was something there. He got "big" for a reason. His talent to act exceptional and be genuinely funny in public is something I would not discount completely. People will likely look back at his "legacy of shit" in a negative way but ice could have been a genuinely good entertainer.
The reasons for his failure are in my book:
- His lack of discipline
- Mental health:
IRL streaming fucks with your private life and it's hard to seperate.
Extremely toxic trolls and record amount of swattings fucked up his streams and his mental health.
- The concept of IRL streams of the "ice poseidon school" is not compatible with today's world. People get too offended and triggered.
- Bad people around him
- Ice eventually came across as an egomaniac which burned bridges with his fans
@not I can provide info for the thread if you need anything. E.g. I can dig up old videos.
I guess I am well informed on ice and his orbiters but not on the more recent stuff. I kinda know what happened to Blade through Metokur but that's it?
The "ice poseidon" style of IRL doesn't fully work now, there will be an audience for it but with demonetization and deplatforming there is little chance of anything really lasting. I think Ice knows he is at the end of his career as a streamer or atleast a succesful one which is why he keeps trying to revisit old ideas to recapture old success as well as doing what fans wanted (EU RV Trip) but failing to deliver on the people they wanted for the trip (Fans wanted Bjorn for the EU RV Trip) as well as his continued making up excuses not to stream. To me it seems like Ice is trying to become a "travel streamer" where he goes to different places in the world and does things he thinks people would have an interest in as way to drum up viewership. But I don't think that style really will work for youtube or mixer (he is going to be banned from mixer if he hasn't already) and with youtube removing the livestream section on trending I don't think he will be able to revive his career.
I haven't watched an Ice stream in months (last one was when he was in Japan looking for the squid girl figure) or his orbiters for that matter. I have kept an eye on blade through IP2 and Jim just because of my own interest in seeing how far someone I used to watch almost 10 years ago and the end of their relevancy and life (Blade is going to be dead by 2030 for sure) which is sad and a good case study of a former minor e-celeb.