If the vaccines actually do turn out to be massively unsafe, would "they" ever admit it? -

[W00K #17]

Pretty much SSIA. If it turns out the vaccines were a danger to health and a major public crisis (I'm not convinced they are, this is hypothetical) would the powers that be ever be honest about it? Or is there too much riding on this and too much potential embarrassment that they would only double down?

 

[Not Really Here]

would the powers that be, ever be honest

No.
On any topic, no.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

Absolutely not. Maybe this is of me, but I do believe that a grand majority of people would never trust any kind of authority ever again if they found out that the world literally conspired to imprison them in their homes forever unless they violated HIPPA and released their medical records to the world to prove that they damaged themselves with an innoculation for a virus that isn't a big deal, if we're being 100% honest. Of course, there are plenty who don't care and just want their Netflix and Corn Syrup, but you can't fuck with that many people, on that life-changing of a level, and get away with it. To say heads would roll would be an understatement, and for that, I actually now hope your hypothetical is true, and they are.

 

[Geralt of Rivia]

No, they never would. People are fucking retarded as well, they will either never hear about it, hear it and then forget about it or just never care. So, none of it matters.

 

[DumbDude42]

yeah, they will. they'll start 50 years into the future when all the responsible players are long dead.

 

[Not Really Here]

yeah, they will. they'll start 50 years into the future when all the responsible players are long dead.

Thunkprovoking and feels combined.

 

[Pixy]

They would admit to it, sure. There are new alternative vaccines currently under development, no-doubt spurred on by the comparatively minor issues (85/25000000 vaccinated in Europe had clotting) with the Oxford-Astrazeneca, and similarly with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. Given how rare the clotting is amongst vaccinated people, it's certainly possible for the trials to have missed people that would have been affected.

There are some in Europe who were already considering buying the Russian Sputnik V vaccines, since they weren't able to secure enough as they would have liked. The Pfizer vaccine is still going strong thus far without any issues, too.

Just because there's already vaccines on the market doesn't mean development of other Covid-19 vaccines has stopped.

 

[KingCoelacanth]

They would admit to it, sure. There are new alternative vaccines currently under development, no-doubt spurred on by the comparatively minor issues (85/25000000 vaccinated in Europe had clotting) with the Oxford-Astrazeneca, and similarly with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. Given how rare the clotting is amongst vaccinated people, it's certainly possible for the trials to have missed people that would have been affected.

There are some in Europe who were already considering buying the Russian Sputnik V vaccines, since they weren't able to secure enough as they would have liked. The Pfizer vaccine is still going strong thus far without any issues, too.

Just because there's already vaccines on the market doesn't mean development of other Covid-19 vaccines has stopped.

All this ignores OP's question, which is if the vaccines were dangerous (lets say more dangerous than the virus) would world powers be honest about it.

 

[Ita Mori]

They would, at a point it's totally irrelevant.
Kinda like how the news apologizes for delivering bad articles or, pardon the term, fake news, way past the point of anyone caring or it having any chance of mending the damage done.

Now, would they face scrutiny for it? When pigs fly.

 

[Michael Jacks0n]

They'll blame it on Trump somehow. You know it.

 

[ditto]

yeah, they will. they'll start 50 years into the future when all the responsible players are long dead.

And only then if the new powers-that-be can profit from it somehow.

 

[Enjoy_the_Soylence]

They will, but they'd say it's not their fault, they were using the best evidence they had. They're indemnified. They can admit that and not be held legally responsible.

 

[Nobue]

Pretty much SSIA. If it turns out the vaccines were a danger to health and a major public crisis (I'm not convinced they are, this is hypothetical) would the powers that be ever be honest about it? Or is there too much riding on this and too much potential embarrassment that they would only double down?

If they feared enough of a reaction. Look how many vaccines have been paused over small numbers of deaths and so on--tons of pharma products have been allowed on the market for years even when they're dangerous. Why so much caution all of a sudden when they can't be sued?

 

[Odnovo]

They are, they (probably) already know that they are, and they only will admit to it in a way that covers their asses.

 

[Pixy]

All this ignores OP's question, which is if the vaccines were dangerous (lets say more dangerous than the virus) would world powers be honest about it.

I'd say that I answered it, and explained my reasoning behind why there isn't " too much riding on this and too much potential embarrassment".

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Only if it turns out that the vaccines are deadlier than the virus itself. And even that's not very likely.

 

[Rusty Crab]

No.
On any topic, no.

They're honest about it 70 years later long after it's stopped mattering. But they'd never do something like that again. Take your meds, schizo.

 

[BipolarPon]

Of course not. Are you now going to ask us if water is wet, and the sky is blue?

 

[Richard Harrow]

They'll blame Trump for "botching it and endangering the lives of Americans" as if he had any part in the process of formulating a vaccine. Also, they'll blame it on racism.

 

[Standardized Profile]

Yes, absolutely. All vaccines are subject to post-marketing surveillance. The data is publicly available--you can download VAERS data right now, there are other data sets that I haven't tried to retrieve. Regulators have been very transparent, you can download ACIP meeting notes and see how quickly they respond to even very small safety signals. And that's just official US sources. Other governments, NGOs, and researchers have their own motivation to study vaccine safety and publish their results.