If you could stop a potential murderer, rapist, etc. would you? -

[Konover]

I've been having a discussion with some very unpleasant people on discord about Zoophilia, namely how zoophiliacs are statistically more likely to commit interpersonal crimes (source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4746949/ )

This lead me to the question; if you could know that a person was going to commit a heinous crime in the future, thanks to early warning signs or other things, would you?

discuss.

 

[PorcupineTree]

Is there a drawback that I’m missing here? Seems like an obvious “yes”

 

[Konover]

Is there a drawback that I’m missing here? Seems like an obvious “yes”

well other than the state locking you up for "unlawful homicide" then no.

 

[Y2K Baby]

well other than the state locking you up for "unlawful homicide" then no.

What if I tell them not to do it in a mean voice.

 

[Konover]

What if I tell them not to do it in a mean voice.

well fuck I don't think anybody's done that. you're revolutionary

 

[The Shadow]

My Kiwi handle is a fictional vigilante, of course I'd love to stop someone like that and then gloat over it and bask in glory.

 

[lowkey]

Stop yes. Commit a crime to stop them? Probably not.

 

[PorcupineTree]

well other than the state locking you up for "unlawful homicide" then no.

Why is homicide the only option?

If you have enough evidence to be certain someone is going to commit a heinous crime, then surely you can tip off the police.

 

[Konover]

Why is homicide the only option?

If you have enough evidence to be certain someone is going to commit a heinous crime, then surely you can tip off the police.

fair point, but I did put "stop" in the title for a reason, not something more directed like "kill" or "severely cripple"

 

[Woke Blue Muttlema]

The obvious answer would be an "Of course" however my hypothetical capacity to stop this acts will transform into the solution that conforms the social structure of my community, which could fill me with infinite guilt if Im aware of crimes by people outside of my course of action. Also there's the butterfly effect that could impact deeply on my crusade: if it actually happens Im fucked but if dont I could sucumb to the pressure of knowing that I could be helping to breed a new, stronger and better kind of evil.
Am I on any actual capacity able to apply justice? Am I any better than the people I stop if I end up using their means? What does society think about my crusade?
My answer would be yes.

 

[wylfım]

Wouldn't Kant say no?
I'm not actually read up Kantian ethics, so I'm kinda passing this off to someone who maybe is, but the discussion has potential and isn't as one sided as it seems right now.
It's difficult to judge if stopping someone would actually be a positive, because there are so many mayby's. Maybe the person will go on to be a murderer, rapist, etc— but the question asks potential, so then again maybe not. At what predictive success can you justify taking the law into your own hands? 50%? 95%? I don't know, but its a lot easier to do harm than good in this scenario.

 

[PorcupineTree]

fair point, but I did put "stop" in the title for a reason, not something more directed like "kill" or "severely cripple"

If it were a heat of the moment thing, the gun is in my hand and the ONLY option to stop them is murder, then I’d say yes. However, I don’t know how my mind would change under different circumstances. If the situation scares me, I’m more likely to freeze. If I’m angry then I’m more inclined to hurt someone.

I’m also calculating in the fact that I’m a stereotypical white girl. I’m more likely to get a favorable court hearing if I had a good reason to kill someone. I might feel different if I was an obvious minority.

More realistically, IF I can get myself to act, the worst I could do is shoot them with a pepper gun. I don’t own lethal weapons.

 

[oldTireWater]

Stop an immediate act? Maybe. We never know how we'll react in the moment. Maybe hero, maybe slink away, and it could be different each time. Hyping yourself up in the mirror doesn't change the chance of you doing either.

Interfere with a possible/probably future act? Only if it were likely to affect someone I care about.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

smells like incoming halal

 

[Kamiii]

Why are you speaking to these people? I'm surprised no one has questioned the fact that you're in that discord in the first place.

 

[Wheezy Asthmatic]

Not really up for debate for me. I've already done this.

Edit: I should probably explain this.

Someone recently decided to impersonate my Sister-In-Law using an Instagram account and then followed a bunch of her clients. The page was only up for a few hours when he DM'd one of them, asking her about her ex bf with intimate details that only herself, her family, and the ex knew about. The person behind the account was also asking the girl to meet up with them in a major city not far from where we live.

The reason these 2 split up was because he was sexually and emotionally abusive towards her. I think the police had to be involved when she eventually split things off because he got physically violent. This was 2 years ago and she moved out of the state. He did as well to NC shortly after being released from jail.

She only just recently moved back within the past month when this account started DMing her and that immediately set off red flags. I was asked before my SIL or I knew about this problem to figure out who this was. Wasn't that hard considering this guy was a fucking moron. Baited him into clicking a phishing link and got his IP. That's when this girl messaged my SIL and all the dots fell into place.

This guy was most likely camping in his car, stalking her, and trying to lure her out of her apartment. Who knows what he would've done - probably rape her since he has a history of violence. For now, she's staying at her mom's. No idea if she's reported to the police yet but when I talked to her, she sounded pretty shaken up.

Either way, shit was mad creepy.

 

[IV 445]

If you kill a killer the number of killers remains the same

Just some life lessons Batman taught me as a kid

 

[MacMasonry]

Depends on what they're offering me to keep quiet

 

[Otis Boi]

I would only if i get to crush them under my massive udders if not then i don't really care I'm not one to interfere in other people lives that is just rude.

 

[MediocreMilt]

huh? What the hell does that even mean? Do I have to fuck them up myself or can I call the cops? How do I know they're going to commit the crime? Oh btw have you heard of calling the cops?

I swear to shit, too many of the Kiwis are as exceptional as the cows.