Implanting Uteruses - For Loons, Troons, and Autogynophiles

[Adamska]

In the Assigned Male thread, a recent comic made by the subject of that thread brought up the discussion about the ability to implant uteri. Turns out we're getting good enough at cutting people open and replacing the broken bits with someone else's bits that some doctors feel that they're near able to do it. Now the main goal for this is for fertility reasons; eg women who have damaged uteri, those who had to get them removed, and so on. But the idea also opens up another possibility: that this can also give MtF transfolk the possible ability to carry a sprog.

To that end, and to prevent that discussion from shitting up another thread, what are your thoughts about the possibility of, the feasibility of, or the morality of this?

Times Article on the Subject if you need more info.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

Men are not meant to have children and shoving an embryo into some troon is a massive health risk no matter how sound the procedure seems.

 

[Chubby_Penguin]

I look forward to the drama it will cause with some of the trans lolcows.

They'll either demand that they deserve to get a free womb transplant and fertility treatments paid by the government or label anyone who does want one as "truscum."

 

[LagoonaBlue]

I look forward to the drama it will cause with some of the trans lolcows.

YOu mean Autphag right?

 

[Positron]

What immediately concerns me is that uterine transplant, for an infertile genuine woman, seems to be a very major operation for essentially a one-use organ ("The uterus would be removed after the recipient has had one or two babies, so she can stop taking transplant anti-rejection drugs"). But I guess if you're filthy rich and prepare to take the risks, who am I to judge?

With delusional men the problem is even greater. A genuine woman has an inborn system of sex hormones, with intricate checks-and-balances involving the brain and various endocrine glands, that allow for pregnancy to proceed. A lot of early pregnancy loss is believed to be due to hormonal imbalances. A man simply does not have this hormonal system.

And speaking of hormones. It is well-known that the hormonal surges during pregnancy can give rise to a whole bevy of psychological disturbances. Now imagine a troon, who is by definition mentally ill, undergoing that.

I would also be very interested about what feminists would say about men being able to get pregnant...

 

[polonium]

I have a hard time believing we're anywhere near technologically advanced with transplant surgery for this to work on dudes. It's such a complex system, it really isn't a matter of hooking up the right plumbing and hoping it works as it might be with a discrete organ like a kidney or something.

Like @Positron says there's all the hormones and other crap to deal with. You'd have to be on so many pills to mimic the functions of all the glands, it's no way near viable for a tranny to get a uterus.

Maybe I'm a bad person but i hope one of them tries it and gets horrifically sick or miscarries so we can put this shit to bed for now.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Maybe I'm a bad person but i hope one of them tries it and gets horrifically sick or miscarries so we can put this shit to bed for now.

It already happened, Lili Elbe (Danish Girl was based on her) died after receiving a series of "sex change" surgeries, which included uterine implant. In fact, I think Elbe underwent previous procedures to implant before the surgery that caused her life to be over.
I use the term implant just because a uterus is not natural to a person that was not born with one, even XX women can be born without one.
I do not believe we are anywhere near the technology needed to implant a uterus into a body that was not born with one.

 

[Ted_Breakfast]

Not what teacher said to do
Makin' dreams come true
Living tissue, warm flesh
Plastic tubes and pots and pans
Bits and pieces
Bits and pieces

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

The whole idea is hilariously disastrous, but you know it'll be funded cos transphobia. No-one would dare to be so mean, so inhumane, so awfully murderous as to deny a trans person this life-saving surgery (cos it totally is life-saving, without it they might commit suicide and then it would be all your fault).

If it ever comes to pass, I pity the resulting kids. Still, they'll be slammed onto puberty-blocking hormones by the age of 6 anyway (no self-respecting trans will have a cis kid, heaven forfend), so they'll be next in line for uterus transplants Mk II. The doctors behind this schtick are either brilliant or incredibly stupid.

 

[Abortions4All]

The pelvis wouldn't even accommodate a fetus in the last months of pregnancy without the massive increase in relaxin that occurs in a pregnant woman. Relaxin relaxes your ligaments and gives pregnant women that waddle walk -- that's not a "suddenly fat" thing, it's a "my limbs literally won't move the way they did a month ago" thing, and it takes weeks/months to recover after birth because the ligaments take time to tighten back up.

Nearly 100% of pregnant women experience at least some degree of abdominal muscle separation.

Even with caesarean section, there is a very significant chance of bladder or intestinal prolapse from births. This can lead to incontinence issues. Hilariously, this is also one of the main side effects of vaginoplasty, so a lot of MTFs who get the full chop will already be pretty familiar with this one!

The blood volume of pregnant women increases by over 50% (this is why births can involve horror movie levels of blood and still turn out basically fine -- no one actually bleeds out in moments from births, retrospective studies show no cases where hemorrhage kills in less than an hour). We're still not remotely confident we understand the hormonal processes that cause this increase in blood volume. If this didn't happen, birth would be a hugely physiologically dangerous event, only attemptable with a transfusion ready to go, since losing a fair bit of blood is 100% normal.

 

[Terrorist]

The pelvis wouldn't even accommodate a fetus in the last months of pregnancy without the massive increase in relaxin that occurs in a pregnant woman. Relaxin relaxes your ligaments and gives pregnant women that waddle walk -- that's not a "suddenly fat" thing, it's a "my limbs literally won't move the way they did a month ago" thing, and it takes weeks/months to recover after birth because the ligaments take time to tighten back up.

Nearly 100% of pregnant women experience at least some degree of abdominal muscle separation.

Even with caesarean section, there is a very significant chance of bladder or intestinal prolapse from births. This can lead to incontinence issues. Hilariously, this is also one of the main side effects of vaginoplasty, so a lot of MTFs who get the full chop will already be pretty familiar with this one!

The blood volume of pregnant women increases by over 50% (this is why births can involve horror movie levels of blood and still turn out basically fine -- no one actually bleeds out in moments from births, retrospective studies show no cases where hemorrhage kills in less than an hour). We're still not remotely confident we understand the hormonal processes that cause this increase in blood volume. If this didn't happen, birth would be a hugely physiologically dangerous event, only attemptable with a transfusion ready to go, since losing a fair bit of blood is 100% normal.

nice post + username combo brah

 

[Chubby_Penguin]

Even with caesarean section, there is a very significant chance of bladder or intestinal prolapse from births. This can lead to incontinence issues. Hilariously, this is also one of the main side effects of vaginoplasty, so a lot of MTFs who get the full chop will already be pretty familiar with this one!

That would explain Sophie's toddler getup.

 

[DatBepisTho]

Jfc. I think being sad about not having the right parts would be far better than winding up dead when the right parts malfunction or -if you managed to survive the installation- routinely soiling yourself.
It (and by that i mean the prolapse caused by ftm sex-change surgery that Abortions4All mentioned) certainly sheds some light on why passing trannies sometimes don't go in for the final step.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

It already happened, Lili Elbe (Danish Girl was based on her) died after receiving a series of "sex change" surgeries, which included uterine implant. In fact, I think Elbe underwent previous procedures to implant before the surgery that caused her life to be over.

I must point out that she died in 1931 (!!) and therefore isn't a relevant medical example.

IMO artificial wombs are the way to go. I'm not sure if such a thing is currently being developed, but it seems a far better solution than implanting a foreign organ in your body that needs to be removed a few years later. Either way I don't see any good reason why this technology should be applied to transgendereds. I just don't think someone who is biologically male, taking female hormones and other drugs to stop their body from rejecting a transplanted organ is in any state to safely bare children.

 

[Tranhuviya]

Trannies shouldn't be raising a child, birthed from their increasingly disgusting new ways of defying God and Man, or no.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I must point out that she died in 1931 (!!) and therefore isn't a relevant medical example.

IMO artificial wombs are the way to go. I'm not sure if such a thing is currently being developed, but it seems a far better solution than implanting a foreign organ in your body that needs to be removed a few years later. Either way I don't see any good reason why this technology should be applied to transgendereds. I just don't think someone who is biologically male, taking female hormones and other drugs to stop their body from rejecting a transplanted organ is in any state to safely bare children.

There has been one genetically XY person to give birth to twins, but her DNA was only 95 % percent male giving her Androgen insensitivity (Link). This woman was born with an infantile uterus and it was grown with rigorous hormonal therapies. The reason I mentioned The Danish girl was because a lot of people have propagated myths about genetic males being able to receive uteruses, biological otherwise within the next 5-10 years, and to me it's a harsh underestimation. There have been several articles written with no real studies or plans on how to achieve such things, as of yet. Things have not changed that much since 1931 in regards to implanting an XY male, except for the open desire and hope for a uterus implant or transplant. Things have changed for women that received a donor Uterus, but that is for more anatomical reasons. I agree, artificial wombs might be the way to go. This argument for transplants, implants, and artificial wombs opens the door to convoluted ethics that we might be better off avoiding.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

People can do what they want, I don't give a fuck, man. Their body. And if somebody has the courage the to rip out all their male bits and replace it with some lady parts and then spawn from said lady parts who the fuck am I to say they shouldn't?

 

[Positron]

I'm skeptical of the Heyley Haynes story.

1. A google search with "Heyley Haynes" only returns tabloid sites (Daily Fail, HuffingGlue Post, and friends. There is an especially egregious site called "Medical Daily" by whose name you'd expect a professional knowledge-base -- but check their contributors).
2. Heyley Haynes talks about "harvesting eggs"; XY women do not have functional, egg-producing gonads. I dunn goofed; she said the eggs are from a donor.

A Pubmed search using "Androgen insensitivity" and "pregnacy" led me to a Czech-language review that says, yes, certain XY women have indeed got pregnant and carried the pregnancy full-term, but only with donor eggs. Searching "Androgen insensitivity" and "twins" gave me nothing relevant.

 

[nonnewtonian]

The pelvis wouldn't even accommodate a fetus in the last months of pregnancy without the massive increase in relaxin that occurs in a pregnant woman.

Even with relaxin, the male pelvis just isn't designed with babies in mind. It's too thick to be flexible enough and too narrow to support a full womb or push out a baby. There's a reason men don't have hips like women do.
So yeah. The idea of transplanting a uterus into a male and having it be completely functional is ridiculous. At most they'd just wind up with a useless organ and a life time prescription to immunosuppresants.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

People can do what they want, I don't give a fuck, man. Their body. And if somebody has the courage the to rip out all their male bits and replace it with some lady parts and then spawn from said lady parts who the fuck am I to say they shouldn't?

My issue is what will happen to the child if it's carried to term. If there was a good chance the kid would be born healthy then sure, go for it, but I have a feeling the odds are much slimmer than that. It just seems incredibly irresponsible to chance it for personal validation.