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What was the point of no return for Chris having a normal life?
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When he never bothered to get a job and just live off welfare. I know all he would get is a low wage job, but plenty of other potatoes at his level are doing the same thing. He's just "too good" for a menial job. He wouldn't be fucking around on the internet so much if he actually had something to do. He might have some other potato buddies by this point. Chris Chan is depressed for the same reason that anyone who does nothing with their lives are depressed. All he does now is live the life of a child during summer every single day, like groundhog day.
I'm gonna say sometime around his relationship with Jackie, in the beginning he was trying to get a job and still dressed like a normal person, he wasn't a normal person but you know what I mean. Somewhere in that time he decided he never wanted to work and stopped filling out applications all together, and decided dressing like a 40-year old woman was the best way to get that 18-28 pussy.
There was no going back.
There was no going back.
Chris never stood a chance. He was born to a couple who never really wanted him. From what I understood, they were just a couple of people who were out for a party and had a fling. Neither of them were good parents to begin with, and with Chris being autistic and them past their prime child rearing years, they probably didn't have the energy or real interest in trying to raise him to be the best he can be. Their own lack of knowledge about how children with special needs were taken care of in the 80s was another problem. When Barb and Bob were in their youth, the normal thing that society did with people born with autism/down syndrome/mental retardation/etc was either A: Put them in a mental institution (where they would be neglected and likely die relatively young) or B: lock them up at home and hide them from the world.
They didn't realize that the 80s and 90s was a very different world than the 50s and 60s, but they must have thought that a 'special school' involved straight jackets, padded room, and electroshock therapy instead of something more humane and actually practical. Chris's problems could have been managed if they actually took the time to learn what autism was, and what they needed to do to help autistic kids out, and what assistance they could get in their community. Instead they just told him he was special (more special than anyone else) and praise every single act he did no matter how crappy it was, and didn't even bother in the slightest to teach him how to interact with people... not that that would have done much, since Bob and Barb weren't exactly the most sociable people in the world.
The thing which I'm most concern about is this: Would anything have really helped him? I mean to what extent would he have been able to function? In his message to the future, he actually believed that he was a highly accomplished individual despite... well, not even holding a job for two months, and not getting a single award for his art or any kind of recognition for it. Maybe he thought that this was a sign of him being some kind of wronged genius or something.
They didn't realize that the 80s and 90s was a very different world than the 50s and 60s, but they must have thought that a 'special school' involved straight jackets, padded room, and electroshock therapy instead of something more humane and actually practical. Chris's problems could have been managed if they actually took the time to learn what autism was, and what they needed to do to help autistic kids out, and what assistance they could get in their community. Instead they just told him he was special (more special than anyone else) and praise every single act he did no matter how crappy it was, and didn't even bother in the slightest to teach him how to interact with people... not that that would have done much, since Bob and Barb weren't exactly the most sociable people in the world.
The thing which I'm most concern about is this: Would anything have really helped him? I mean to what extent would he have been able to function? In his message to the future, he actually believed that he was a highly accomplished individual despite... well, not even holding a job for two months, and not getting a single award for his art or any kind of recognition for it. Maybe he thought that this was a sign of him being some kind of wronged genius or something.
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Any of the above work for me, but I'm inclined to go with @lipitor re the day job. Having a regular schedule, earning a steady wage, learning new skills, being subject to discipline, and interacting face-to-face with the public might very well have helped him grow. I remember that many lolcows of my youth shed a lot of their more pathetic dysfunctions when they went out into the world and found work.
You're pretty much on target, but I still think Chris had a chance just after graduating high school. Had he been outside that insane environment at Branchland long enough, in a job or a distant college, he might have been able to get some perspective, lose his self-centeredness, get some therapy, and learn some basic social chops. But Barb's apron strings were just too strong, I guess....
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He has no concept of love, and it kept him from achieving anything in life that wasn't superficial material.
Pretty much getting obsessed with relationship quotas mankind had evolved past since Before Christ. He was like a caveman waiting to drag a lady by the hair, as if one could change his life and do everything for him. Most fucked up part of all this? It wasn't for romantic-sexual validation, rather for not having an identity of any sorts outside the internet.
Want a harsher (but true) example?
When Mary Lee Walsh did not bring Christian Chandler to expulsion. Not just on her behalf but on the behalf of the student body who were increasingly resentful towards Chris.
Pretty much getting obsessed with relationship quotas mankind had evolved past since Before Christ. He was like a caveman waiting to drag a lady by the hair, as if one could change his life and do everything for him. Most fucked up part of all this? It wasn't for romantic-sexual validation, rather for not having an identity of any sorts outside the internet.
Want a harsher (but true) example?
When Mary Lee Walsh did not bring Christian Chandler to expulsion. Not just on her behalf but on the behalf of the student body who were increasingly resentful towards Chris.
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Brother, probably the moment Sonichu was thought up
Except that kids typically go outside and play with friends. Chris really only leaves the house for restaurants, shopping, and fetching q-sands for Barb.
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Yep. he had a chance to go to the Grafton school, then Bob whisked his little 'tardling out of the 4th grade, fled the county and tried to sue the school, and Chris-Tran was well and truly fucked.
It really depends how you define a "normal life," but I lean towards the theory that Chris was pretty much fucked from early childhood, after he was speaking and his parents gave up on any kind of meaningful therapeutic intervention for his autism. Chris is "high-functioning" in that he can speak and perform basic tasks, and if he'd gotten proper intervention as a kid he would probably be able to live a largely normal adult life, but due to ignorance, shame, or plain ol' bad parenting, the Chandlers ensured he was isolated and never got the help he needed. Maybe he could have still pulled something out if he'd gone into a vocational or other training program after high school, but the well was already poisoned against that by his and his parents' fixation on his "mainstream success."
That's tough to say. I'm not as well-versed in Christory as others on here but I'm tempted to say that he was doomed from the day he was born. It seems his parents did him no real favors when raising him. A large amount of the stuff that has happened in his life can be traced back to shitty parenting. Not to mention his parents were about 20 years past their prime when they had him. Take Charb out of the picture and there's no real reason Chris shouldn't be a productive member of society.
Now some will argue that Chris could have paved his own way like Cole and that's true. But I feel that the way he is now as an adult is a result of a combination of mental illness and bad parenting. Cole, while not exactly "normal" doesn't seem to be as bad off as Chris mentally. I know from experience that someone can have a horrible childhood and still turn out fine; but that takes into account the fact that they have the mental ability to ultimately decide to change their lives. It seems like the odds are stacked against someone like Chris who's mental capacity arguably prevents them from doing so. Add that to terrible parenting and you have a kid that is doomed from the start unless some outside force gets involved. And in Chris's case that didn't happen.
That's my thoughts on the issue. It's important to note that I'm in no way arguing that Chris shouldn't be held accountable for his current actions. I'm only stating my theory as to the question at hand.
Now some will argue that Chris could have paved his own way like Cole and that's true. But I feel that the way he is now as an adult is a result of a combination of mental illness and bad parenting. Cole, while not exactly "normal" doesn't seem to be as bad off as Chris mentally. I know from experience that someone can have a horrible childhood and still turn out fine; but that takes into account the fact that they have the mental ability to ultimately decide to change their lives. It seems like the odds are stacked against someone like Chris who's mental capacity arguably prevents them from doing so. Add that to terrible parenting and you have a kid that is doomed from the start unless some outside force gets involved. And in Chris's case that didn't happen.
That's my thoughts on the issue. It's important to note that I'm in no way arguing that Chris shouldn't be held accountable for his current actions. I'm only stating my theory as to the question at hand.
I'd say the point of no return came when Chris's heart was "steel plated" from the reveal about the "gal pals". Whether these were really the gal pals isnt important, but even if Chris was getting increasingly paranoid well before that happened, he seemed a little more unhinged than before. Like when he posted the picture of the steel plated heart, the angry LEGO/Kre-O figure, and his rants on Facebook. I know Chris isn't someone who would just go out and shoot up a place, but it reminded me a little bit of Seung Hui Cho mailing the pictures to NBC showing everyone how he felt. Even the "Pain Enduring since Oct 29, 2013" read like a manifesto to me. I recall people on the CWCki were saying it would only be a matter of time before he did something truly reprehensible. And lo and behold, we have Chris becoming progressively more brazen with his disregard to the law. And I'd like to end it hereand not turn this into another "Chris is going to jail" discussion.
Yeah, I think there are two key facts when comparing Chris and Cole:
a) Cole, no matter how much of a douchebag people think he is and whatever other mental illnesses people might speculate on him having, is pretty obviously not on the autism spectrum, which means he has a toolkit for social interactions and independent living that Chris doesn't have. (Chris could have gotten the toolkit with appropriate education and therapy, but that didn't happen when he was young and almost certainly won't happen now.)
b) The stories about Cole's upbringing suggest that it involved far more active abuse than Chris's, which, while terrible, probably made it easier for him to decide to get out and sever ties. The different mental states play into this too -- both Chris and Cole were neglected, but Cole was in much more of a mental state to recognize it and react. Chris's life is so much about his internal state that I'm not sure he could have ever realized that his parents were neglecting him.
He was fucked from birth, not because of autism, but because he had grandparents for parents. Unlike most of the other Kiwis, I don't think that Chris is retarded, at least not because of a learning disability. His parents were paranoid, and came from a time where an autistic child was something to be hidden away. The lawsuits basically flagged Chris as someone to just let coast through the system. If he had been engaged by anyone during childhood, he may have had a chance, but, now he's just a lesbian tomgirl who's badass self won't let no one tell him otherwise.
regardless of whatever education or positive influences he received throughout his early years, he would always have to return to the Chandler institute of fail at the end of every day and have any progress he'd made erased. He never had the chance of a normal life.
That said, he could still have been a lot better off than he is today and for years now had the ability to decide for himself how to tackle life's challenges and deal with his crappy upbringing. sadly he decided long ago to always take the path of least resistance.... Buy toys and blame the world.
At the end of the day, he doesn't actually want a normal life because a normal life doesn't consist of 100% personal contentment involves work and personal responsibility.
That said, he could still have been a lot better off than he is today and for years now had the ability to decide for himself how to tackle life's challenges and deal with his crappy upbringing. sadly he decided long ago to always take the path of least resistance.... Buy toys and blame the world.
At the end of the day, he doesn't actually want a normal life because a normal life doesn't consist of 100% personal contentment involves work and personal responsibility.
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