Indonesia: Debris found to be from the Nanggala 402 showing signs of explosion within torpedo tube, declared lost with all hands. - On eternal patrol.

[millais]

At least they sank deep enough that the Indonesian illegal scrap salvagers can't get to them. Better than can be said for all the Pacific War wrecks in the region.

 

[AlphaKilo]

This isn't surprising, really. The Indonesian Navy has historically always been shit. The country is way too big with a massive coastline and too undeveloped to be able to afford a competent green-water navy to defend its own waters effectively. There's a reason you seldom hear about this country in the news. And If you have, have you ever wondered why Indonesia doesn't pick a side in any conflict and just wants to be buddy-buddy with every country in the world (sans Israel)? Because the coastline and terrain is so indefensible that a regional power like China or Australia could exploit the country's ethnic divisions and the government wouldn't be able to do shit about it.

Hope the Indonesian govt. will give Prabowo more funds so that Indonesia can have a proper navy. It's embarrassing that you need to ask your neighbors for help since you have no submarine rescue vessels, even though Singapore have 4 and Indonesia have 5 4 submarines.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

“The family is in a good condition"

Of course they're fine, they're not 850m underwater.

 

[DumDum Did Nothing Wrong]

Man.......not how I would want to go. Such a horrifying death.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Man.......not how I would want to go. Such a horrifying death.

As shitty as the situation is, there's a bit of honor to be gained by going down with a vessel you serve on. It's not much, but it's something. I don't know about their naval culture, but at least a few of them were proud to go out the way they did.

 

[Governor Jeb Bush]

Did they have an Orchestra playing as they sank tho

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

Submarines give me the proper willies. What a strange way to live and what a weird/awful way to die.

 

[AltisticRight]

Makes me think of the case where some reporter got raped and dismembered in a submarine by some sick freak.

 

[DeadFish]

Well thats sad.
Guess the family wont need to pay for the funeral.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

Makes me think of the case where some reporter got raped and dismembered in a submarine by some sick freak.

https://www.wuft.org/nation-world/2017/09/06/it-was-a-terrible-accident-inventor-says-of-journalists-death-aboard-his-sub/

 

[Stoneheart]

We will get a very detailed report in the next years. there are almost 60 other Type 209 in service by a lot of different navys and they are still building new ones for egypt.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

This isn't surprising, really. The Indonesian Navy has historically always been shit. The country is way too big with a massive coastline and too undeveloped to be able to afford a competent green-water navy to defend its own waters effectively. There's a reason you seldom hear about this country in the news. And If you have, have you ever wondered why Indonesia doesn't pick a side in any conflict and just wants to be buddy-buddy with every country in the world (sans Israel)? Because the coastline and terrain is so indefensible that a regional power like China or Australia could exploit the country's ethnic divisions and the government wouldn't be able to do shit about it.

They are slowly building up their Navy and Air force now and are slowly starting to push back against BS Chinese maritime claims.

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They already have 3 new subs in service and 3 more are the on the way. The one they lost was 41 years old....

 

[ForTheHoard]

We will get a very detailed report in the next years. there are almost 60 other Type 209 in service by a lot of different navys and they are still building new ones for egypt.

If there was an explosion in the torpedo tube like is being suspected now, it might not have been an issue with the sub. Could have been a malfunction with the torpedo. The room where the torpedos are loaded is usually packed with ordnance so a tube explosion that goes back into the loading room is a quick death sentence for everyone.

 

[albert chan]

One thing to get trapped on a submarine, but it’s another different story to have exploding debris that could have wiped off the remainder of what was left on that submarine.

Such a dark way to end lives on that sub. I’m hoping the families can find comfort.

 

[Omnium Ultimatus]

They are slowly building up their Navy and Air force now and are slowly starting to push back against BS Chinese maritime claims.

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They already have 3 new subs in service and 3 more are the on the way. The one they lost was 41 years old....

We'll see if they improve. These are new submarines they're obtaining, after all. Be that as it may, one must still not underestimate Indonesia's geopolitical challenges. Yes they're rich in resources and population. But again, Indonesia is as wide as the width between Paris and Kabul. Funding a navy big enough to patrol Indonesian waters is a very tall order to fill, and tax collection isn't Indonesia's strong suit with wanton amounts of corruption, and most Indonesians don't make much money to begin with.

Plus, the military, especially the army is more or a tool of intimidation and control to keep all the ethnic groups within the country in line and eliminate and discourage separatists like they're doing in Papua and other areas of the country. They wouldn't want another East Timor situation on their hands. All things considered, the navy isn't really that important compared to the army, which still wields considerable influence in Indonesian politics. Sure they'll get a few Western-made ships and submarines, and they'll defend the Natuna Islands' EEZ from Chinese vessels, but at the end of the day they're still a joke compared to tiny Singapore's, and it'll be a long time before they can amass a fleet big enough to rival Australia's, if that's even politically and economically possible. In the meantime, Indonesia will continue its passive foreign policy, since it's the best way to maintain its internal security.

 

[Stoneheart]

They already have 3 new subs in service and 3 more are the on the way. The one they lost was 41 years old....

Thats the same old design with some new tech. if there is a till now unknown flaw in the design they will have the same problem.
but chances for that are low since the design has countless hours of service in all kind of navys.

These are new submarines they're obtaining, after all.

well "new" Its the cheap and outdated option, but its the best they can get i guess since they are on the nono list in germany and korea is not allowed to export Type 214.

But again, Indonesia is as wide as the width between Paris and Kabul. Funding a navy big enough to patrol Indonesian waters is a very tall order to fill, and tax collection isn't Indonesia's strong suit with wanton amounts of corruption, and most Indonesians don't make much money to begin with.

They should go back to their roots, listing their country on the dutch stock exchange.

Sure they'll get a few Western-made ships and submarines, and they'll defend the Natuna Islands' EEZ from Chinese vessels, but at the end of the day they're still a joke compared to tiny Singapore's, and it'll be a long time before they can amass a fleet big enough to rival Australia's, if that's even politically and economically possible.

Well Australia will not be an issue in the future, they cucked themself for the next decades. their new Sub is inferior to the 40 year old sub that sunk.
the Indonesian Sub fleet is more than able to repel the chinese or the Aussies if they have to.

 

[Radiant Orchit]

I guess if it sunk below crush depth, that would have been briefly nasty, but at least over quickly. Better than counting down your remaining hours of oxygen, in the dark, in the company of your work mates.