Insane Parents of "Transgender" Kids - Parents who push a transgender identity on their children

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Saying they have no awareness of gender roles at a young age isn't the same as saying they don't act their gender. Left to their own devices, kids gravitate towards stereotypical gender behavior. It's not a conscious choice where they have an abstract and complex awareness of why they want to do it, or how their sex and hormones influence their behavior. It just happens.
Most adults don't have an "abstract and complex awareness of why they" perform gender roles either. We're indoctrinated in gender roles and expectations often, as I said, from before we're even born. But regardless of that, the fact that the children have enough awareness that they will only play with opposite-gendered toys without adults present shows that they are aware of the existence of gender roles and that they perceive they will be chastised or punished if they are "caught" playing with toys that "belong" to the other gender. That doesn't "just happen".
 

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Most adults don't have an "abstract and complex awareness of why they" perform gender roles either. We're indoctrinated in gender roles and expectations often, as I said, from before we're even born. But regardless of that, the fact that the children have enough awareness that they will only play with opposite-gendered toys without adults present shows that they are aware of the existence of gender roles and that they perceive they will be chastised or punished if they are "caught" playing with toys that "belong" to the other gender. That doesn't "just happen".
We're not "indoctrinated," and kids don't exclusively play with the toys appropriate for their gender. Some parents are assholes and freak out if the kid does something too much of the opposite sex, particularly the very conservative types, but generalizing that as all society is dumb.
 

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We're not "indoctrinated," and kids don't exclusively play with the toys appropriate for their gender. Some parents are assholes and freak out if the kid does something too much of the opposite sex, particularly the very conservative types, but generalizing that as all society is dumb.
We absolutely are. If you look into this at all you will find study after study after study showing that parents treat their children drastically differently depending on the sex of that child (in ways that, by and large, benefit boys and harm girls) literally from birth or earlier if they know the sex of the fetus. If you don't think that has anything to do with the way children experience and perceive and reenact gender roles... that's frankly pretty delusional.
 

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We absolutely are. If you look into this at all you will find study after study after study showing that parents treat their children drastically differently depending on the sex of that child (in ways that, by and large, benefit boys and harm girls) literally from birth or earlier if they know the sex of the fetus. If you don't think that has anything to do with the way children experience and perceive and reenact gender roles... that's frankly pretty delusional.
Wow parents treating their kids as the gender they're born as is indoctrination now?
 

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Wow parents treating their kids as the gender they're born as is indoctrination now?
Pretty big difference between making your kid aware that they're a boy or a girl (which is just making them aware of their biological sex), and indoctrinating them into a harmful set of gendered stereotypes, roles and expectations designed to perpetuate a patriarchal system that does serious harm to everyone, but especially to women and girls.

Women and girls aren't naturally submissive and accommodating. Men and boys aren't naturally more assertive and domineering. Those are learned behaviors taught through gender roles and expectations. Same with things like the idea that women "naturally" aren't good at STEM fields, or that men can't be nurturers. That's all gender roles and expectations - you can look at studies that show that girls are just as good as boys at math and science... until they reach a certain age where they become aware of the gendered expectation that they will be bad at math and science, and they start to do worse. And this goes for everything - for example, there are studies that show that teachers enact gender roles in the classroom by allowing little boys to interrupt and speak over their female classmates, while the girls are chastised and punished if they try to interrupt or speak over the boys. What lessons do you think are taught there?

I mean, look around for five minutes and you'll know that "gender" isn't natural at all. It's what we teach our kids and, more importantly, how we treat them.
 

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Women and girls aren't naturally submissive and accommodating. Men and boys aren't naturally more assertive and domineering.
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"gender" isn't natural at all. It's what we teach our kids and, more importantly, how we treat them.
This is just incorrect. It's a proven scientific fact that our hormones influence our behavior. Estrogen in fact does make women more gentle and testosterone does in fact make men more aggressive. No one is denying that stereotypes exist, but the fact that stereotypes in and of themselves exist isn't evidence that everything is indoctrination. Individuals change and make their own decisions based on their own personalities and circumstances. Men and women are still different, though, and we should embrace that.

These arguments you're making are also totally inconsistent. How do you go from "boys and girls naturally only want to play with toys that fit their gender" to "everything is indoctrination"?

Also, as another woman, I second @UnsufficentBoobage 's lolno on the feminist sperging.
 

Sourceress

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This is just incorrect. It's a proven scientific fact that our hormones influence our behavior. Estrogen in fact does make women more gentle and testosterone does in fact make men more aggressive. No one is denying that stereotypes exist, but the fact that stereotypes in and of themselves exist isn't evidence that everything is indoctrination. Individuals change and make their own decisions based on their own personalities and circumstances. Men and women are still different, though, and we should embrace that.

These arguments you're making are also totally inconsistent. How do you go from "boys and girls naturally only want to play with toys that fit their gender" to "everything is indoctrination"?

Also, as another woman, I second @UnsufficentBoobage 's lolno on the feminist sperging.
I'm not even going to address your BS gender essentialist nonsense at the top, jsyk. Women aren't inherently sweet dainty housewives who happily do all the cooking and cleaning and childcare for their manly husbands, men aren't inherently big angry military guys who love guns and beating their wives. Shocking I have to say that but I guess this is the thread where people are trying to act like the worst crime of pediatric transition is that kids are playing with the "wrong" toys. 🙄

Anyway, I never said boys and girls "naturally" only want to play with toys that fit their gender. I said that by twelve months old, kids gravitate towards toys stereotyped to their gender. This is because of gendered socialization and gender-informed parenting, not in spite of it. What I'm saying is that by as early as one year old, children have internalized the idea that "only boys play with trucks"/"only girls play with dolls", which is a learned gender role stereotype. No child comes out of the womb with a desperate desire to play only with baby dolls or Hot Wheels cars. That's something they learn, and they learn it young. From their parents, and their babysitters, and their peers, and their daycare providers, and etc. This was said to counter the idea that children have no concept of gender roles when, in fact, they learn them from birth.

(A fun fact: Gender role stereotypes are not taught solely by your parents. I know this may shock some of you. But they are pressed upon children from literally all of society. Parents, grandparents, aunts/uncles, babysitters, daycare providers, other children, television shows, Disney movies, literally any kind of movie, children's books, etc. Claiming that "well my parent chose to raise me neutrally" somehow negates literally an entire society's indoctrination is a bit ignorant.)

Yes, yes, of course. "Oh no, a woman thinks all women aren't born wanting to be housewives, the horror."
 

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I'm not even going to address your BS gender essentialist nonsense at the top, jsyk. Women aren't inherently sweet dainty housewives who happily do all the cooking and cleaning and childcare for their manly husbands, men aren't inherently big angry military guys who love guns and beating their wives. Shocking I have to say that but I guess this is the thread where people are trying to act like the worst crime of pediatric transition is that kids are playing with the "wrong" toys. 🙄

Anyway, I never said boys and girls "naturally" only want to play with toys that fit their gender. I said that by twelve months old, kids gravitate towards toys stereotyped to their gender. This is because of gendered socialization and gender-informed parenting, not in spite of it. What I'm saying is that by as early as one year old, children have internalized the idea that "only boys play with trucks"/"only girls play with dolls", which is a learned gender role stereotype. No child comes out of the womb with a desperate desire to play only with baby dolls or Hot Wheels cars. That's something they learn, and they learn it young. From their parents, and their babysitters, and their peers, and their daycare providers, and etc. This was said to counter the idea that children have no concept of gender roles when, in fact, they learn them from birth.

(A fun fact: Gender role stereotypes are not taught solely by your parents. I know this may shock some of you. But they are pressed upon children from literally all of society. Parents, grandparents, aunts/uncles, babysitters, daycare providers, other children, television shows, Disney movies, literally any kind of movie, children's books, etc. Claiming that "well my parent chose to raise me neutrally" somehow negates literally an entire society's indoctrination is a bit ignorant.)

Yes, yes, of course. "Oh no, a woman thinks all women aren't born wanting to be housewives, the horror."
You're literally talking to yourself right now. I say "toddlers don't have a concept of gender roles like adults do because that's too abstract for them" on the last page, you go on a rant about how sexist society is. Calm down lol.
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This is another reason autistic kids are more vulnerable to troon shite, they don't absorb nuanced social messages so easily, so they don't develop gendered behaviour as much as their peers. They just do what they like and don't understand why people are bothering them about it.
From my experience it's not so much that they don't develop gendered behavior but that they don't get faking intrest or doing something less super fun sake of getting know people.

Before tweens shared play is how kids socialize. This means that kids wanting get have negotiate what and how they play witch tends to be going with flow of whatever is popular. This isn't that gendered process but within larger social environment there are micro environments that are based on different standards. Boys and girls tend to favor different types of play so tend form two different social environments. This is especially noticeable with little kids that don't have that well developed intrests and usually socialize in smaller circles like one classroom so boys and girls tend the groups rather than card plays, jocks, fashionistas and band geeks.

This is unspoken behavior most part, so even with very young kids means alot reading social cues, nonverbal commucation and balancing personal preference with others. Stuff like giving ideas what to do but backing off if it's not popular enough, showing off cool stuff and skills but not too much, standing up for yourself but not being too annoying, or even being a bully but only towards weak unpopular kids. It's not easy but most kids handel it well enough to get along and find few friends.

Autistic kids don't get this delicate balancing act and don't notice feed back other kids are sending so get left out. Seriously, it's not so much that autistic stand out but that they don't get how to blend in. Autistic tend get their super interts that they are obsessed with, often refuse to try new things and get meltdowns when things don't go like "supposed to". That just isn't fun to other kids so they don't get involved if they don't have to. It can look like little girly girls refusing to play with a tomboy but in actuality is that group of kids aren't comfortable with someone who isn't listening and isn't willing to go with flow.
 

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But now I want source after source after source.
Here are just a few (and a reminder for those reading along that I have been asked to provide sources relating to the fact that boys and girls are treated differently by parents from birth in ways that disadvantage girls and benefit boys):

Journal Of Experimental Child Psychology: Gender Bias in Mothers' Expectations About Infant Crawling - In brief, mothers were asked how well their child would be able to crawl down a slight incline, and the mothers subsequently underestimated their infant daughter's performance while overestimating their infant son's performance.
Child Development: Socialization of Achievement Attitudes and Beliefs: Parental Influences - Parents are shown to believe that young girls are inherently less good at math than young boys, and must "work harder" to attain the same success as boys. This effects the confidence of the children and their concept of themselves - iow if you teach your daughters they're naturally less good at math than boys and have to work harder, they're more likely to believe they're terrible at math and stop trying to succeed.
Annual Review of Sociology: Sons, Daughters, and Family Processes: Does Gender of Children Matter? - Fathers are more likely to stay in marriages where they have sons, are more likely to be involved in parenting with sons, and are more likely to be actively involved in education (ie attending parent-teacher conferences) with sons. Daughters do more housework than sons.
Washington Post rundown of a UNICEF study - I chose to include this rundown because it is very clearly written and links to the UNICEF study directly. This study shows that girls worldwide spend about 50% more time on chores and housework than their brothers. A particularly relevant quote: "The types of chores commonly undertaken by girls — preparing food, cleaning and caring for others — not only set the stage for unequal burdens later in life but can also limit girls' outlook and potential while they are still young."
Mother Magazine rundown of a study covered in The New York Times - I am not paying for a sub to NYT and this was the best rundown on the facts I could find. Study shows that girls are made to spend more time on chores than boys. Girls earn significantly less money than boys for chores despite doing more work (they make slightly more than half what boys do on average). Boys are more likely to be paid for "chores" that are simply personal hygiene tasks like brushing their teeth, while girls are more likely to be expected to cook, clean and do laundry.

There are many, many more if you care to look, but I'm not going to run through the entire area of study for you and find every single paper.
 

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Mother Magazine rundown of a study covered in The New York Times - I am not paying for a sub to NYT and this was the best rundown on the facts I could find. Study shows that girls are made to spend more time on chores than boys. Girls earn significantly less money than boys for chores despite doing more work (they make slightly more than half what boys do on average). Boys are more likely to be paid for "chores" that are simply personal hygiene tasks like brushing their teeth, while girls are more likely to be expected to cook, clean and do laundry.

There are many, many more if you care to look, but I'm not going to run through the entire area of study for you and find every single paper.
Here's the NY Times article. Archived of course for paywall-y purposes, but the links to the studies seem to work.
 

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On the topic of toy preferences, in studies of monkey children the boys prefer trucks and the girls prefer dolls. (BBC, Huffington Post) Also, girls who've been exposed to elevated androgen levels in the womb prefer masculine toys (Pasternacki 2011))

There are many, many more if you care to look, but I'm not going to run through the entire area of study for you and find every single paper.
These areas of study are also at the center of the Replication Crisis; in a ranking of 120 Psychology Journals by replicability the Journal of Experimental Child Psychology and Child Development came 99th and 96th respectively . I'll also point out that Stereotype Threat, the mechanism of action for how these stereotypes are supposed to affect behavior, doesn't replicate. (Stricker & Ward 2006)

The idea that stereotypes are the cause of differences of behavior and not the result of them is a flagrant violation of Occam's Razor. The hegemonic cultural power of the Left is the only reason it isn't laughed out of the academy.
 

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On the topic of toy preferences, in studies of monkey children the boys prefer trucks and the girls prefer doll
Because animals know what trucks are. What comes next? They let a horde of monkeys roam free in a house and the males preferred to do nothing but watching monkey pornhub and working on the car in the garage while the female monkeys couldn't get enough from staying in the kitchen 24/7.

Did they do a study on gay monkeys too?? What toys did they prefer? Lemme guess: of course dolls, dresses and make up and the lesbian monkeys liked cats and wearing flanell shirts.
 

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Was there ever a follow-up to the Pasternacki paper? I'm curious if those patterns persisted into adulthood.
 

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Because animals know what trucks are. What comes next? They let a horde of monkeys roam free in a house and the males preferred to do nothing but watching monkey pornhub and working on the car in the garage while the female monkeys couldn't get enough from staying in the kitchen 24/7.

Did they do a study on gay monkeys too?? What toys did they prefer? Lemme guess: of course dolls, dresses and make up and the lesbian monkeys liked cats and wearing flanell shirts.
Are you trying to imply that a study of an unknown number of monkeys (with completely unknown context) that found that baby boy monkeys looked at toy balls slightly more often than they looked at toy dolls isn't a definitive masterwork that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that human gender roles are entirely innate? How could you possibly try to make fun of a study that so profoundly proves the inborn nature of gender roles by stating that baby monkeys with more "masculine" finger spacing tended to play with trucks more than baby dolls? I mean, that seems pretty damning to me, I'll say!