We know Lupron for precocious puberty was bad, but you can see the reasoning — we don’t want this girl to become sexually mature at age 7, let’s give her blockers and she can go through a normal female puberty at 11. This is different.
I have to say that I am so glad American public schools haven’t forced girls to wear skirts since the 60s. Some of the more down at heel high schools around here have uniforms, but I see the girls in (almost always very tight) khakis 95% of the time. If girl is wearing a skirt it’s because she’s Muslim. (And the only woman I see at mass in a skirt is a nun. I think most women don’t like them very much except when it’s warm).
I hadn’t considered that uniforms would be behind why there’s so many teen girls coming out in the UK. I also wonder if it encourages a binary trans identity, which is more likely to lead to hormones, as opposed to non binary, as well as feeling it has to be permanent, since it would be noticeable if you switched uniforms back?
I did some reading around precocious puberty a while back (internal NHS documents and package inserts for the drugs) it seemed to me that the only kiddies who are still getting medicated for this are really young, as in periods at 3 or 4, and that actually around 10-15 percent of girls begin puberty at 7 (most commonly observed in black girls, or obese girls) so that’s now considered the low end of normal and there is a push to reclasssify what qualifies as PP.
Clearly, no three year old needs a libido, so you can see why medication might be seen as preferable to a preschooler trying to hump their classmates, or their teacher - that said, many instances of PP do not occur in otherwise healthy children, but in children with genetic disorders that cause other symptoms, including profound disabilities, or in children with brain or ovarian tumours, or in kids who have been treated for cancer, especially with radiation therapies (cancer kids can also experience delayed puberty).
So when troons and their tranmaidens start bleating on about how GnRHa drugs have been used to treat precocious puberty for decades without issue, they aren’t talking about about a healthy cohort, but about a group of particularly vulnerable, sickly kids who are probably getting shit loads of other drugs at the same time. If a kid who survives childhood cancer has skeletal issues or extreme tooth loss as a late term side effect (sometimes years after remission) how will anyone be able to unpack if that was caused by chemo, or radiation, or the lupron they gave to stop the radiation induced puberty?
And that’s as well as the difference between temporarily stopping an abnormal puberty and completely preventing a normal puberty in favour of a cross sex pseudopuberty.
I’m not sure about the uniform thing, but it’s an interesting point and something I will ponder on.
Most secondary schools probably do now allow girls to choose between skirts and trousers, especially in the inner city areas, funnily enough that’s probably at least partly driven by the Muslim population, as British Muslim girls often wear trousers and skirts together (the very posh schools and the catholic schools are likely still all skirts though, but then dress codes for women in the high status professional careers still largely require a skirt suit, eg a bewigged female barrister).
I suspect that technically having a choice of uniform items probably feels less freeing than it should, because teen life is brutal and every decision a girl makes is scrutinised and ridiculed, often by her supposed peers, so a girl in trousers might be mocked for being a hairy legged lesbian and a girl in a skirt might be mocked for being a slut or for having fat/thin/whatever legs. Not that life is better for boys at this age, it’s just different. Boys have no uniform choice, it’s just trousers, so nothing to scrutinise there and no fear of making the ‘wrong’ choice. That probably looks quite appealing to a teen girl, especially an autist, who is unlikely to understand the ever changing social rules that teen girls relentlessly police and bully each other over.
That said, I don’t think a blanket ban on skirts would be the answer either, because that just contributes to the feminine-bad, masculine-good nonsense that gets little boys bullied for being sissies (and potentially plays a part in the creation of the AGP sex humiliation fantasy too).
Greg Davies used to do a bit in his stand up about childhood nicknames which I think is a pretty good illustration of how British school kids interact and how some incredibly banal and innocuous things can result in kids getting bullied/gaining disparaging nicknames. Boys just seem to have a quick scrap in the playground and start afresh but girls can be very pernicious and wear each other down over a long period. Boys tend to take out their teen angst by punching a door or fire setting down the local park whereas girls turn it inwards and develop self harming behaviours. One of the great ironies of the ROGD generation is that there are thousands of girls claiming they are really boys, but then behaving exactly the same ruminative, self harming way that teen girls have been observed to behave over the last 30-40 years.
(I know a man in his forties who is, to this very day, routinely known as ‘Snarf’ after the character from Thundercats)
Maybe it was better when school ended at 14 for all except the posh or extremely clever kids? Teenagers didn’t seem to have psychological when they were expected to get a factory job before they turned 15!
(I think our class system is probably a factor in ‘trans kids’ in Britain, and possibly Christianity plays a similar role in the US, but I haven’t quite worked out where I’m going with that)
Everything else you said seems right, but, ffs, can't you see how you espouse the very same double standarts that this shit got started by?
Girl in sports ok, boy likes glittet and clothing that would not chaffe or restrict? Uwu future homo.
I understand this is cultural conditioning, but, like, try sitying there and thinking for a bit.
This very forum had seen stories of adult guys being pressured into dating gay despite being straight as an arrow. Because uwu.
knowing the theory of ‘pre gay’ as observed/reported by child development professionals/evolutionary psychologists doesn’t mean imprinting gayness onto a child, it just means cross ‘gendered’ behaviour is a good statistical predictor, it doesn’t have to mean anything to an individual.
Fuck, anyone that’s seen a little boy rubbing the satin edging of a blanket on his cheek repeatedly will know that sensory feedback can also play a massive role in the things kids choose.
I’d rather all kids be given access to whatever toys/clothes they want and be left to develop their own sexuality at an appropriate time, but sadly the world doesn’t seem to work like that, and if understanding that boys that spend their early childhood pretending to be girls are statistically likely to grow up to be gay means that boys who play with Barbie don’t get chemically castrated and their microdicks amputated then I can put up with some sex stereotyping and generalising.