Insane Parents of "Transgender" Kids - Parents who push a transgender identity on their children
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Sister services, email, and search will continue to be negatively effected by the attacks. I made a thread to talk about it, if you're into networking.
Holy shit another one? I also posted about a mother who transed 2 of her 3 sons.
Mako_Spark
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I know several families with multiple trans kids, but I live in a particularly 'woke' city... what I want to know is why it is never the oldest, always the youngest sibling(s) that end up being mommy's little gender-benders? (According to the reddit commenter who first wrote about 'hipmom,' she was obsessed with having a girl and a big family, so if that's true it makes sense her first son was left alone - she probably thought she'd have her precious girl soon enough and only lost it and trooned out the youngest two when she had boy, boy, boy.)
But I also wonder if there's almost an MbP (TbP?) element in some of the families I know, for many reasons - the attention and praise they get obviously, plus having a new purpose in life as an activist for trans kids. Most of the trans kids I know have parents on the older side so mom's already had a career and the status that goes with that, so maybe when they become SAHMs (which IS a pretty thankless task) they can't handle people thinking of them as boring/"only" a mom... and that's why they're always reminding you "I'm not like regular moms, I'm a trans kid supermom, and I have the hardest job in the world because my kid is so likely to commit suicide because people won't accept him/her being trans" (it so bothers me when moms talk like this around their trans kids who are more than old enough to understand every word... why is it that this kind of 'raising awareness' is never inappropriate and couldn't possibly be making the kid anxious or worried about their future?)
Also, since transing your kids is likely to leave them fairly dependent on you into early adulthood at least... is it partially about delaying the empty nest, which is why it's always the youngest?
(I also know there are some decent studies that show children - especially boys - are more likely to be gay the later they fall in the family's birth order, but I don't think it's the same thing... these kids probably aren't gay or even 'really' trans, they've just got insane parents.)
Or they actually are gay, but they get trooned out and have their cocks chopped off, which may be even worse for a gay guy. Gay guys don't want stink ditches.
Mako_Spark
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Very true. In the Pacific Islander cultures I know that have a "third gender" role, it's completely rooted in homophobia. It's just a way for parents to do something to stop their effeminate sons growing up into (unacceptable) gay men, but it also works to allow both third gender and non-effeminate gay men to have socially acceptable gay sex (because sex between a man and a third gender person isn't counted as gay, problem solved!) It's actually a very backwards and disturbing thing, and I can't stand when it's presented as super-progressive or noble or tolerant. The only advantages third gender kids have over Western 'trans kids' is that there's no body modification involved, so they are eventually free to enjoy their (technically not) gay sex lives, and also third gender people are very much accepted in society and have a respected (if boxed in) social role, while in Western culture I think most people will nod and smile and say the right woke things if required around 'trans kids,' but almost no one honestly believes trans kids are now or ever will be a 'real' girl/boy (but it's always mtf in the really young kids, isn't it?), and they'll still think 'freak' behind their backs...
Wow, I've never actually written this down before. Transing kids is so bad, it actually makes the horrifically homophobic 'third gender' cultures look half-good in comparison... that's f*ed!
A "thankless task" according to whom?
Mothers, particularly SAHMs, have the most important task of all.
They can create and nurture the next generation or they can be an empowered peon for minimum wage while their kids sit in daycare and are neglected by someone who makes three times their pay.
Shit on me if you want, but there's unquestionably more power in being a mother than being a career woman.
If women cannot accept that, then it's their loss but their children will pay the bill. As fucking usual.
People are weirdly easily misled by that Younger kiddo's insane fundie dad for whatever reason.
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It all seems like braying to own and/& lynch the libs without considering the full story.
Liberal Mom Forces Son to be Transgender? - The Younger Case
This video investigates the claim that a mother is forcing her son to be transgender. *Update: Eazy has now deleted his video, so I have removed his name fro...
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It all seems like braying to own and/& lynch the libs without considering the full story.
Any parent that buys into this notion that a young child can choose their gender is unfit to parent. The percentage who desist with gender dysphoria after puberty is high. I see no reason to delay puberty or worse, give cross sex hormones to children. None. Social transitioning is one thing, but I oppose all medical intervention for this until the child has reached adulthood. There are too many negative side effects and risks associated with this treatment for it to be considered for children. The mother had stated that she was planning to go that route when the child got older. The dad is a nut job, too -- both parents are. But, in this case, siding with the dad simply means you side with the person who is not going to go the medical treatment route. Lesser of two evils.People are weirdly easily misled by that Younger kiddo's insane fundie dad for whatever reason.
Liberal Mom Forces Son to be Transgender? - The Younger Case
This video investigates the claim that a mother is forcing her son to be transgender. *Update: Eazy has now deleted his video, so I have removed his name fro...
It all seems like braying to own and/& lynch the libs without considering the full story.
All that was happening was social transition at this point. I know because I've been following it a bit and also watched the full video, and read all the news stories. The dad hurts the kid by not even allowing that exploration and forcing the kid to be one way, which I think is way worse than any reversible puberty blockers (which are recommended to not be relied on for very long, it's just preferably to stave off a decision.)
Agree to disagree but I think the religious fundies forcing people into boxes and lying to suit their own narratives are never the lesser of two evils. Unless a nazi somehow gets involved, but that's an entirely separate issue.
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Haven't watched the vid you linked, I'd need a tldw summary, but honestly social transition is child abuse too. At a stage when kids are looking to adults to explain the world and understand their place and role in it, he's being pushed – either with pressure or positive reinforcement – to dress and identify a certain way because he likes certain things, effectively shaping his understanding of the world and himself while pretending to be responding to his own innate understanding of himself. That's confusing and it opens him up to bullying and isolates him from his peers. Keep in mind, most kids at that age wear what their mothers lay out for them on the bed. It's normal to dictate what your kid wears, and at that age children generally obey what their parent decides they should wear. That means young kids are easily manipulated into manifesting a gender identity via clothing, and frankly, parents have an obligation to control what their kids wear so they don't look exceptional at school.
There's also zero necessity to wear dresses to 'socially transition'. Most little girls wear pants. Trooned out little boys are always wearing absurdly frilly/sequiny/fancy girl costumes and they don't fit in among the girls either. A boy with the name "James" does not need to adopt the ridiculous magic-girl persona "Luna" (seriously, that's a dog name) since his name has an androgynous version: Jamie. To allow him a bit more leeway in expression while also not committing him to a certain path and alienating him from his peers, she could just dress him in pants and tshirts and call him Jamie. But no, it's 0 to 100 with these munchies. And that in itself makes me inclined to believe she was gungho to get him onto drugs asap; it's never 'just' social transition with them.
In this thread we've gone over how medical authorities have questioned the "reversibility" that puberty blockers are advertised as, and seen evidence of irreversible changes that occur so I'm not going to get into it again. These drugs were never medically approved for transgender treatment in young children and are being used off-label by doctors. Children being raised by devout catholics will never be worse than children being medically experimented on, because a catholic can leave the church, but a trans'd kid can't ever leave the ideology that was exerted on his body.
Mako_Spark
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Eh, I've been fortunate enough to be able to be both (as far as time with my kid goes, I'm a stay-at-home mom; I schedule my working hours when he's in school or on playdates or busy doing stuff with his father - or when he's asleep at night!) but I have the luxury of a well-paid career doing something I love. Most of the women in my social circle also had very rewarding careers that required either great talent, many years of education, or both - only their jobs left no room for kids whatsoever, so it became either/or. I've always known I wanted to be a mother, so I built my career from the very beginning around having maximum flexibility (yes, as a teenager I was already thinking about how to set things up nicely for future-me-the-mom, no matter how far away that might be), with the added bonus that while I was waiting to meet the right person to start a family with I was also able to take the time to be the primary carer for two of my grandparents in their final months, which totally sealed the deal - touch wood, I'll never have to work a regular wage slave job making money for someone else ever, and I'll be able to care for other family members (especially my parents) when they need it.
Which 'job' is the one that brings me the most satisfaction and joy, and will almost certainly leave the biggest mark on the world? Raising my son, no doubt about it. I love being a mom, and if my career had been either/or and I could afford not to work, I'd have chosen SAHM without hesitation, for all the reasons you've listed.
But... when I say it's a thankless task, I mean that society doesn't seem to value SAHMs, they're painted as lazy, uninteresting, financial drains... I understand why women who've enjoyed high-status careers find it a shock. (I know there are cultures where the SAHM mom role is treated with a lot more respect but in the US? Only among the happy-clappy god-botherers, it seems.)
I can completely understand how so many of the intelligent, ambitious, high-achieving women in my social circle found being a SAHM a 'thankless task' in the sense that suddenly they weren't bringing money into the household (and some husbands loved having all the $ power and basically declared, "you have no say in financial decisions anymore") plus they could no longer introduce themselves as a doctor/lawyer/professor/architect/whatever anymore - I saw some women who really struggled with the drop in social status. It's not that being a SAHM isn't satisfying (although I have friends who admit they don't need to work, they just enjoy keeping a foot in the adult world, and I can understand); it's more that if you care what people think about you - and most of these women cared a lot - you only get the 'thanks' and appreciation from your child(ren) and your husband/partner if you're lucky, the rest of the world suddenly thinks you're dull as dishwater.
Women who stick with their shit jobs and barely come out ahead (or end up behind) after paying for daycare? I don't understand them quite as well, it definitely seems like they would be happier just being SAHMs... but the other factor is time, you're a parent forever but hopefully, your kids fly the coop at 18 or so, and what does mom do then? No one can afford a gap that long on their resume - most of my former 'career woman' mommy friends now have their own small businesses/side hustles (photography, catering, party planning...) or are back to working part-time in their old professions just to stay relevant. the SAHM vs working mom debate is always going to be a touchy subject... I say do whatever you need to do, and if you have the choice, whatever works for you.
Thanks for explaining without calling me a stupid faggot. Sincerely.
I still don't really understand this urge women feel to be a part of the workforce.
I'm not at all saying that women should throw their ankles in the air and get pregnant as soon as they leave high school, but a career (at least in my experience) tends to be less about empowerment and more just a way to make money so I can do expensive shit in my free time.
But I admit, I'm looking at this from the angle of someone who's been working since 15, so I may be a bit jaded.
Some of it is just being economically independent in the event that something happens -- like death or divorce. My mom was a SAHM and when my dad left her for a younger woman, she was left almost penniless (he cleared out all the accounts and hid assets) and with no work history. She had no access to money until she got a separation agreement. She also had a heart attack shortly after and was unable to work even low paying jobs and was saddled with medical bills, so once you've witnessed that -- it takes a real leap of faith to be a SAHM. I actually do stay at home, but I socked away money in my own accounts when I worked so I'm never going to be in the same situation as my mom. Unfortunately, not every guy out there is going to be dependable. And women have to be aware of that and protect themselves.
I think that being trans shoudln't be something you should try to act upon until you're in your late teens & shit. If a kid is say, 8 and decides they want to be the opposite gender, it could very likely be a phase. I don't know, I'm no expert. I support the trans community but I don't really like when they force stuff on children. It's a little much. As a member of the BLT community, I can sometimes do without the tomato. (Terrible joke, aaaaa)
My own mother teaches in uni because she has a deep passion for her subject of study (a STEM field) and wants to make sure that the next generation of students learn critical thinking skills alongside the topic.
Not every reason to join the workforce is about empowerment or trying to earn a wage.
Mako_Spark
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No problem. There's no real 'war' between career women and SAHMs like the media sometimes likes to pretend... the truth is for most families these days there isn't much choice about it (mom has to work, or the family finances collapse), and I think a lot of the women who can afford to be 'just' SAHMs are like my friends - full-on SAHMs in the intense early years, but once the youngest hits school (or preschool, even) and they suddenly have all those hours free during the day (I know 'four hours of preschool' probably doesn't sound like much, but when you've been raising a three-year-old, four hours without them feels like a week in terms of potential productivity) it's not long before they're dipping back into work, whether it's with a small business/side hustle or finding a way to do their old professions part-time or on a project/freelance basis (the other option is becoming the very-involved-in-school mom, or some form of volunteering.) Not many smart, well-educated women want to sit around and fluff the pillows on the sofa all day...
Now, degree of difficulty goes up for each child you have, and a SAHM of five likely has no time for a job even if her kids are all on the same school schedule because the essential housework and organization tasks alone would eat up all those 'free' hours... but with the standard two kids? Mom will probably be able to go back to some form of work as soon as the youngest is in school, but often plan to have another few years 'at home' once the kids hit their teens - the early years and the teen years seem to be the most intense in terms of parenting and are when kids generally need a consistent parental presence in their life the most, whether they want it or not! And then the kids are (hopefully!) off to college and/or their adult lives, and even if you had your two kids at the near-miracle 40 and 42 you're still not at retirement age yet... basically, most SAHMs will go back to being working moms (if not 'career women') sometime (or, at least, 'some of the time'), so the whole idea of war between SAHMs and career women is pretty stupid. I know only two women who I'd call ultimate 'career women' moms - back in the office while still bleeding from birth, their kids basically raised by nannies, and seemingly no tug-of-love emotions or mommy guilt to be found - but both make millions a year (CEO, top corporate lawyer) and good for them, the kids are safe and happy... it's just not that common, and I'm in that rare demographic where women are 100% go-go-go about their careers until they become mothers.
Women who truly 'put their career before children' usually choose to live childfree nowadays, or they end up 'childless by circumstance' - you rarely ever meet a true 'screw my kids, my career is far more important' mother in the wild, and the few I've met were all young mothers who didn't realize they loved work (or hated parenting?) until they'd already had kids... in my circles, even women who do want children but just know they'll hate the daily work of motherhood are generally self-aware enough to wait to have kids until they can afford the staff or they just marry a guy who's happy to be the SAHD, which is not that unusual - when I drop off and pick up my son from his obnoxiously upper-upper-middle charter school, it's probably 50% moms, 30% nannies/grandma and 20% dads doing it with me.
Spastic_Colon also had a very valid point (I can't believe I skipped it in my initial analysis, I guess it just seemed self-evident, but maybe not if you're not a woman) that a lot of mothers keep one foot in the workforce in case 'life' (definition: 85% shitty husband, 14% sick or jobless husband, 1% dies tragically young husband) doesn't quite work out as planned... because so many women who think they're going to be SAHMs for life end up thrown back in to work headfirst (which is rarely pretty, so better to keep one foot in as insurance) when 'life' deals them an unexpected card. I've got the secret bank accounts and the not-secret assets I made sure can never be considered community property... most women I know have at least a secret bank account, whether it contains a small fortune or it's just $50 cash hidden in a book - I always advise younger women (or older - I'm not that old!) headed into marriage/parenthood to always make sure they have enough that's theirs and theirs alone to leave and start over, but at the very least, always have enough to just leave. You know how people say 'all my friends are getting married and settling down'? It's true, it happens all of a sudden in one big wave... but no one warns you there's an utterly brutal die-off at 'pregnancy to preschool,' and if you survive that, there's another wave coming at 'kids graduate high school,' 'kids graduate college,' and 'time to retire - but not with you.'
I'm only past the first wave and holy shit, it took out marriages you'd never expect - I was stuck listening to one dipshit dad the other day lamenting that his (lovely) ex-wife is 'still bitter' even though he 'completely regrets' ever leaving her - no shit she is, they were together more than a decade, married seven or eight years, I know they planned their pregnancy and they even got some help (I think just hormone shots, not IVF) when it took a while to happen - anyway, she finally got pregnant, time to celebrate, right? Nope! He panicked his way straight into a major personality crisis, became an abusive asshole, started very publicly having affairs (yes, plural - I think there were three just while she was pregnant), missed the birth (she was in labor 20+ hours, he just didn't show) and filed for divorce before their kid's first birthday (and moved in his latest conquest, a former friend of hers, the exact same day he had his wife and their baby turfed out of her home of more than a decade), and no one knew what to think... them? If it could happen to them... of course he 'completely regrets' it, they were made for each other and he knows (now!) there's not a better woman out there for him, but he completely abandoned and humiliated her, and was horribly abusive to her during her pregnancy and after their baby was born (verbally abusive - if it was ever physical they've kept that hush)... and he claims he can't understand why she won't forgive him, and ideally, take him back? He divorced her!
Sadly, it turns out he was just an over-achiever in a crowded field of losers, because before our kids hit three there were another dozen or so divorces that could be summed up as 'previously loving and reliable man deliberately impregnates wife, suddenly freaks out about impending fatherhood, then fucks up his otherwise perfect life' stories... and another dozen marriages that got ugly for the same reasons, but didn't get as far as divorce (yet)... they just have some pretty major scars to repair if they're going to survive the next waves, which thankfully are apparently a while off (it's the 'I'm only staying with her/him for the kids' waves up next, and apparently they hit around HS and college graduations.) So yes, women, if you're leaving the workforce to do the SAHM thing, have an emergency fund (or at least enough money to leave!) in place and don't get complacent and spend it on a nice vacation or something a decade in just because your marriage is still rosy... you need that emergency fund for life, my aunt is a social worker and she says by far the fastest-growing group of homeless people they're seeing these days is solo middle-aged or retirement-age divorced women who always let their husbands handle the finances, and so end up destitute when he leaves for a younger model or when his secret gambling/alcohol/drug problem finally comes to light, by which time all their savings are gone and the women are considered 'lucky' if their husbands haven't also taken out credit cards and loans in their names and blown through all that money and ruined the wife's credit, too...
I'm going way off-topic (or too deep into topic, spergin' as usual) but Senior Lexmatic has a good point too - work often isn't only valuable or meaningful to women because it empowers them/gives them a status boost or even just because it pays them... if you've invested many years into advanced-level study or climbed up through the ranks to qualify for a professional or academic career, for example, it's no small thing to just walk away and abandon all those years of hard work altogether. It's also true that as much as I love my son, I've honestly found motherhood a lot more enjoyable now that he's old enough to have an interesting conversation with - sure, he was super cute in the baby and toddler years, but you can easily go a bit mad if you don't seek out opportunities for adult conversation when they're that little and almost all of all your 'conversations' are by nature just baby talk - that's why I understand moms who go back to work, even part-time, basically just to confirm that their brains do still work (baby brain is a real thing, and if you're usually smarter-than-the-average-bear, it's honestly a bit scary!)
Also, I'm coming from a particular perspective - I move in a certain social world most of the time (I hate to say 'class,' but sure) although I sure didn't start out here so I have friends and acquaintances all up and down the ladder - but no one in my world is going near MLMs, for example, because we know they're scams and pyramid schemes, all their promises are bullshit, and 99% of people who sign on lose money and annoy all their friends in the process... but can I see the attraction for a less savvy mom at home day after day with the kids? Of course! They're so successful precisely because they promise SAHMs who aren't so bright "easy money" while working from home (with no particular skills, qualifications or success in school required), the status of 'being their own boss' (which is bs, but people keep buying it) plus a supportive network of women who'll give them a whole new social life... for a lot of SAHMs who marry young and pop out kids ASAP, it really seems like a golden ticket, and if you read accounts from ex-MLMers, what's obvious is that it's almost never all the money they lost that stings them the most, it's the 'huns'... the women they met in the MLM world who they thought were real friends, but abandoned them (or worse) as soon as they left the MLM. Work can be a lifeline to friendships and a social life for mothers beyond the never-ending kid's birthday party circuit, and if you're not even invited to those... (I'm thinking especially of military wives who don't fit in who are often quite viciously excluded from anything social, plus moms with special needs kids etc.) no wonder they're such easy prey for MLM recruiters.
Also, if I had to choose between a mom keeping busy with a job and, say, a mom keeping busy by declaring one of her kids trans, deciding she's an activist now, and acting like a loony? (See also: the various Munchie threads) I think the job is by far the lesser of two evils.
Yeah, that First Wave Die Off is fucking amazing. Perfect couples exploding in flame, Mr Male Feminist beating his wife and hooking up with prostitutes, Ms. Perfect spiralling into a meth hole, all that shit.
But the funniest is when it's all said and done, over there, by the piece of shit hooptie they've been driving for 10 years, fighting over some stupid shit for the fifth time that week, with 3 kids around them all running around being loud and playing, out front of the trailer park they live in, is that couple that everyone said wouldn't make it a fucking week.
After Ms. Perfect OD's, the Perfect Couple end up alcoholics, and Mr. Male Feminist goes to jail for molestation, there's that couple, still fighting over who deleted "My 600 Lb Life" on the DVR in front of their 30 year old car.
And their kids sure as shit aren't trans, because Trailer Park Lyfe, Yo.
Heckuva post and I'd say you're right on the money, though the only contingent I'd add is that divorce rates may vary depending on the social class and region you live in, and what the surrounding culture is. Personally, I know many, many people who have undergone marriage with divorce being the exception rather than the rule - but that's likely because those people and the culture they exist in are quite religious, so there's likely some social pressure behind not divorcing.
I think a lot of those social pressures are gone now, as well as the trust in marriage stability as well. So while @Mako_Spark is correct in that making a safety net is a good idea, I'm pretty bummed that measures like those have to be taken in the times we live in.
To get back to the subject, of course, I just realized: Is this woke activism the MLM equivalent for moms wealthy or smart enough not to bother with the "typical" MLM? Think about it:
- all the fabrications of the trans lobby tend to be bullshit, as we've seen an uncountable number of times
- 99% of people who join in lose money and annoy all their friends in the process
- promise mothers an "easy" way to gain clout and social capital without any other mothering skills needed, and your kid doesn't need to achieve anything to do so either
- You can be your own #brand as your child becomes a woke activist influencer
- A supportive network of women (and "women") who give you a whole new social life
- It's an enormous money sink with the added bonus of risking your child's physical and mental well-being plus their ability to have grandkids (which is the thing that will hurt the most, mark my fucking words)
- The women/"women" you meet who you think will back you up for your allyship will turn on you on a dime if you step out of line or worse leave.
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Mako_Spark
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I love all of this and I'm sure I'm going to end up quoting you somewhere... it's so true!
I guess it's because Mr and Mrs Perfect have always lived in a world full of choices and opportunities and new possibilities... so they think they can always do better, and they don't stop to think if they deserve better or if 'better' is still going to want them now that they come with an ex-spouse and a kid.
Trailer Park Lyfe will crush 99% of people's hopes for 'better' - which actually means they're more likely to have marriages that last. I've had an interesting life - I won't elaborate - but I can tell you for a fact money and fame do not make people happy. You certainly can be happy with money and fame, but most of the happiest families I know are closer to the trailer park end of things... don't expect much and you won't be disappointed. (Also, you'll find more community at the bottom - poor people are way more generous than billionaires in my experience, and they help each other out a lot more.)
You're definitely onto something here... it's ringing way too true for me, and I know a ton of 'trans kids' and their insane parents.
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Most women want a career for money to do fun shit. It's weird that you're saying that like it's not a valid reason for a woman to want to join the workforce
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