Internet and Age - Pu Stickles

[YW 525]

To preface this, I know that none of these rules or "laws" were 100% enforceable.

There is this thing called COPPA, the Child Online Privacy Protection Act. I don't know if it still exists, though I do still see websites that prompt users to verify that they are over the age of 13. This COPPA thing was basically a means of keeping children under the age of 13 off the internet without parental consent and I would assume supervision. Once again, this was circumvented easily and regularly, but that isn't the point. I get the general feeling nowadays that pretty much all age groups are now on the internet daily. Hell, those fucked up YouTube kids videos are made for humans that can't even speak. So yeah, the point is that there are a lot more kids online now.

Has this made the internet worse? And/or, was the internet better when there were fewer very young people online?

Tangentially, there are also more people online now; was the internet better without the larger number of people?

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

The internet was a mistake.

 

[QU 734]

the big mistake was internet on phones.

Normies ruined the net way before then.

 

[Just a fag]

To preface this, I know that none of these rules or "laws" were 100% enforceable.

There is this thing called COPPA, the Child Online Privacy Protection Act. I don't know if it still exists, though I do still see websites that prompt users to verify that they are over the age of 13. This COPPA thing was basically a means of keeping children under the age of 13 off the internet without parental consent and I would assume supervision. Once again, this was circumvented easily and regularly, but that isn't the point. I get the general feeling nowadays that pretty much all age groups are now on the internet daily. Hell, those fucked up YouTube kids videos are made for humans that can't even speak. So yeah, the point is that there are a lot more kids online now.

Has this made the internet worse? And/or, was the internet better when there were fewer very young people online?

Tangentially, there are also more people online now; was the internet better without the larger number of people?

I think children being introduced to the internet and having it integrated into their daily lives at a younger age is making their lives worse. from what I've personally seen, as well as testimonials/articles/etc., we essentially have "e-parenting" now, where you have parents that are becoming more dependent on the internet and devices to parent their children. this is particularly bad because, in lieu of discipline or behavioral correction, they divert the child's attention to something that is mindlessly stimulating, so there is no praise or scorn allowed to register. one of my friend's children seems impaired and I believe it is because they were heavily subject to e-parenting; the kid only plays Overwatch and, when not playing Overwatch, will ask about playing it and seemingly only wants to play Overwatch. their attention span is so short, it will ask in a few minutes if initially denied.

I think it's a no-brainer that this has huge negative impacts on the lives of these children, and that negativity will carry over into their adolescent and adult lives, and their collective negativity and reliance on the internet will ultimately affect the internet in the same way.

 

[Sammy]

If anything there are more young people online now since the internet is more commonplace and easier to get to. No longer do you have to be seated at a bulky big box four figured-cost computer hardwired to everything and using up the only phone line in the house for dollars a minute with a lot of technical configuration as an entry barrier. We beam the internet to our 4 year old's wireless $50 tablets so they can watch YouTube and leave us alone on car rides.

most of those COPPA things were more to protect the website and the service than the child, so nobody could just litigate that you were providing harmful and evil things to the youthful and get'cher ass FBI'd. Most internet-pioneer kids just learned to lie, and if the lie was ever found out then technically the website/chatroom/whatever provider wasn't liable since they followed the rules and did what they could to keep kids out. Unpopular as he may be these days, Moot is a perfect example, since he started 4Chan and made it an "18 and older only" community and banned anyone who let slip they were minors, all while he himself was only 14.

Whether or not the internet is better without the larger amount of people is arguable - it certainly was less gentrified, and the sense of community was stronger, but communities and culture always thrive better when it isn't a gated "cool kids club" kinda thing. Take for another example, this place, The Kiwi Farms. PVCC could be considered the progenitor of Kiwi Farms, since the CWCki Forums was a public offshoot for PVCC since PVCC was super gated, clique as all fuck, and from all reports (I wasn't there tbh) ultimately stupid and like, 10 guys sniffing their own farts, while casually drip feeding "cocks" or little stories of Chris Chan to the plebs of the CWCki Forums. Under new management though, CWCki made like the dirty red commies, seized the means of production, and left the bourgeois to rot in their tower. People brought new cows to talk about to CWCki Forums, more cows brought in more people than the narrow attention Chris Chan would attract, CWCki Forums blossomed and prospered while PVCC ultimately became irrelevant, and with a rebranding we became the Kiwi Farms. Say what you will about all the problems extra traffic and attention we get here bring, but you literally wouldn't be having this discussion if more people didn't come here.

I think children being introduced to the internet and having it integrated into their daily lives at a younger age is making their lives worse. from what I've personally seen, as well as testimonials/articles/etc., we essentially have "e-parenting" now, where you have parents that are becoming more dependent on the internet and devices to parent their children. this is particularly bad because, in lieu of discipline or behavioral correction, they divert the child's attention to something that is mindlessly stimulating, so there is no praise or scorn allowed to register. one of my friend's children seems impaired and I believe it is because they were heavily subject to e-parenting; the kid only plays Overwatch and, when not playing Overwatch, will ask about playing it and seemingly only wants to play Overwatch. their attention span is so short, it will ask in a few minutes if initially denied.

I think it's a no-brainer that this has huge negative impacts on the lives of these children, and that negativity will carry over into their adolescent and adult lives, and their collective negativity and reliance on the internet will ultimately affect the internet in the same way.

That's just how children are. Back in the 80s kids were hooked on Star Wars and arcade machines and just as narrow focused about those subjects as kids are these days about Youtube and Fortnite. Ask any parent of a toddler and they'll tell you how many times they've listened to "Baby Shark" on youtube. Ask the grandparents and they'll tell you how many times when they were parents their young ones burned through VHS tapes of Disney movies and Muppet show reruns. Its the same behavior, that's just how kids are. What really needs to happen is a change in how parents raise their kids. They can't rely on old tactics that worked for their parents and their parents before since the world is a different place now. Our parents had the misfortune of being on the front lines of this brave new connected world, and in many ways fucked up because they didn't wholly grasp the pitfalls, so we got a bunch of people in their 30s now that let their infants starve in their cribs because they didn't know how to manage being an adult and playing World of Warcraft in the right amounts. Hopefully this generation will have learned from watching some of their peers failures and not fuck up when its their turn, but it really just comes down to being a parent and not a friend to your spawn and providing ample stimuli options instead of always relying on the easiest and laziest stimuli, like unsupervised online games and shit.

 

[Lackadaisy]

All it taught me as a kid was how to subtract 18 from the current year.

 

[crocodilian]

The internet was at its best when the userbase was mostly computer nerds. Or better yet, strictly students at a high-end STEM universities.

 

[Hikikomori-Yume]

The internet is a weapon, believe it or not, like it or not, that is the truth of the matter.
If you think the internet just came out of nowhere and the people behind the tech just thought "hey, lets connect the world lol! this will be cool!", hell no this shit was cooked up by the alphabet soup agencies before the 20th century..
The internet is a tool of psychological influence and control, mind control if you will.
Children browsing perverted websites and content isn't an accident, it is the direct point of the content in question.
They want to pervert our society and create a race of sheeple that will be controlled by the bourgeoisie.

 

[Chexxchunk]

The internet was at its best when the userbase was mostly computer nerds. Or better yet, strictly students at a high-end STEM universities.

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Phase 1. Artists/Innovators - The people who actually make stuff.
Phase 2. Early Adopters - People who tolerate authenticity (i.e. don't demand they be accommodated) and seek out new things despite difficulty.
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Phase 3. Conformists/Poseurs - People who will do things just because they're popular or for prestige.
Phase 4. Corporate - MBAs who see everything purely in terms of how many people are participating and how much the racket is raking in.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

The internet is a weapon, believe it or not, like it or not, that is the truth of the matter.
If you think the internet just came out of nowhere and the people behind the tech just thought "hey, lets connect the world lol! this will be cool!", hell no this shit was cooked up by the alphabet soup agencies before the 20th century..
The internet is a tool of psychological influence and control, mind control if you will.
Children browsing perverted websites and content isn't an accident, it is the direct point of the content in question.
They want to pervert our society and create a race of sheeple that will be controlled by the bourgeoisie.

Normie detected.

 

[Sammy]

The internet is a weapon, believe it or not, like it or not, that is the truth of the matter.
If you think the internet just came out of nowhere and the people behind the tech just thought "hey, lets connect the world lol! this will be cool!", hell no this shit was cooked up by the alphabet soup agencies before the 20th century..
The internet is a tool of psychological influence and control, mind control if you will.
Children browsing perverted websites and content isn't an accident, it is the direct point of the content in question.
They want to pervert our society and create a race of sheeple that will be controlled by the bourgeoisie.

Alright, I'll take the bait, and assume you aren't trolling for debate sake and honestly believe this shit (and if you don't then LOL YA GOT ME SPERG)
But tell me, how do you get from "Children looking at pictures of vaginas" to "Society is perverted and controlled by the elect few?"

Internet porn is the same thing as your dad's Playboy magazines. And, again, the behavior is the same, young people on the cusp of puberty get really interested in that shit and seek out information on it, though the transmission medium has shifted from VHSes and magazines to websites hosting digital images and videos. If its a conspiracy to control our society its a pretty shitty one since that kinda thing has been going on since the 50s at least and gone nowhere.

 

[Silas]

I've been using the internet since 1995, so anyone who got online from 1996 on has been part of its ruination.

 

[Hikikomori-Yume]

Normie detected.

Says the NPC

 

[Hikikomori-Yume]

I've been using the internet since 1995, so anyone who got online from 1996 on has been part of its ruination.

The early to mid 00s was the golden age of the internet.

 

[Hikikomori-Yume]

Alright, I'll take the bait, and assume you aren't trolling for debate sake and honestly believe this shit (and if you don't then LOL YA GOT ME SPERG)
But tell me, how do you get from "Children looking at pictures of vaginas" to "Society is perverted and controlled by the elect few?"

If its a conspiracy to control our society its a pretty shitty one since that kinda thing has been going on since the 50s at least and gone nowhere.

Ahh to be so naive and bluepilled ...

 

[Fashy Airship]

the big mistake was internet on phones. this is what triggered a mass influx of dumb normies to the internet, which ruined everything.
things were better when the only way to access the web was an actual computer.

This. People now cannot compartmentalize internet from walking about in the public space etc.
Sure there was and are laptops but the smartphone has taken it a step too far generally.

Other factors I'd stress are sites like wikipedia sucking all the oxygen from independent infosites and shitty faceberg.

 

[YW 525]

Other factors I'd stress are sites like wikipedia sucking all the oxygen from independent infosites and shitty faceberg.

This one reminds me of some depressing shit. I've witnessed this sort of thing happen multiple times.

Let's say you're at a movie night with friends or whatever. Age range is somewhat wide, with people in their early 30s and 20-somethings. The movie starts to play and everyone settles in to watch. Except the spergs that grew up with a screen bolted to their face. So let's say that Pirates of the Caribbean is on. These idiots will see the movie start, watch the opening credit reel, and then immediately go to their phone to start looking up facts and shit about the actors in the movie.

Not before the movie. Not after the movie. Not next week. During the movie.

And they don't just wrap up their extracurricular research before the credits fade. While Jack Sparrow is being an ass to some Englishmen, I get to hear about how weird it is that Johnny Depp was ALSO in Nightmare on Elm Street?? LOLWTF!? And did you know that Keira Knightly was in multiple Pirates movies? And multiple Johnny Depp movies?

This shit makes me want to kill people I know and love. You came here to watch the fucking movie. And now none of the rest of us can actually enjoy the movie because the goddamn Yang Gang are rattling off Wikipedia/IMDB bullet points for two hours straight. These fuckers will go to watch a movie and then disappear into their phones for the duration.

@BigRuler hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. It was the migration to phones that made the internet worse. Now it is omnipresent and infecting everything.

 

[Cackspangler]

@BigRuler hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. It was the migration to phones that made the internet worse. Now it is omnipresent and infecting everything.

Let us descend into hyper-reality. Soon we will all be quasi-epileptic P-Zombies with our dicks stuck in Klein bottles.

 

[Chexxchunk]

Let us descend into hyper-reality. Soon we will all be quasi-epileptic P-Zombies with our dicks stuck in Klein bottles.

What will movies be about when all anyone does is look at screens?

 

[Medicated]

To preface this, I know that none of these rules or "laws" were 100% enforceable.

There is this thing called COPPA, the Child Online Privacy Protection Act. I don't know if it still exists, though I do still see websites that prompt users to verify that they are over the age of 13. This COPPA thing was basically a means of keeping children under the age of 13 off the internet without parental consent and I would assume supervision. Once again, this was circumvented easily and regularly, but that isn't the point. I get the general feeling nowadays that pretty much all age groups are now on the internet daily. Hell, those fucked up YouTube kids videos are made for humans that can't even speak. So yeah, the point is that there are a lot more kids online now.

Has this made the internet worse? And/or, was the internet better when there were fewer very young people online?

Tangentially, there are also more people online now; was the internet better without the larger number of people?

Athene made a video years ago where he talks about this. He says the internet at large is ruled by kids. They have the most free time, they aren't technological savvy enough to get around ads, so people see the money coming from a particular type of content, and they shrug and go "okay lets keep doing that". He laments the early 2000's where adults, or skilled teens were the only ones with the knowledge and commitment to try and get on the internet in their spare time. Then when everyone else came in, they realized the internet would be a great place to dump their kids to keep them entertained.