Is 2010s PC culture here to stay, or will die off with time? -

Jarolleon

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At worst it'll be like Christianity, where it eventually gets adopted as a state religion, and then one leader who has his head screwed on straight sets up some councils to standardise it so all the bickering factions don't tear the country apart from within, thereby codifying a slightly more workable set of values loosely based on this horseshit. Then we'll get invaded by a bunch of barbarians who converted to an earlier form of wokeness, but they will eventually be forced by the recalcitrant populace to adopt the new orthodoxy. In our case Stalinism is probably equivalent to Arianism, and the Chinese are the Goths.

Edit: What if Corporate wokeness is equivalent to the Nicene Creed, and the council has already happened in Academia through all those fields ending in -studies? Maybe Trump is Julian the Apostate, and this is the alternate timeline where instead of dying in a war with the Sassanids he faces large-scale Christian unrest backed by wealthy converts?
 
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True, but I also think just as many people predicted a Trump win would galvanize the woke left and make them go even more batshit insane.

Like I said, the elite corporate big shots and the DNC have been operating on the assumption that 2016 was an aberration and a complete and total fluke. Bernie Sanders' unexpected rise in those primaries and Hillary narrowly winning the popular vote probably reinforced the idea that they had to double and triple down on all the woke shit so more young people would vote and they could retain their total control.

Problem is that they have not fully realized that wokeness is part of why Trump won in the first place, and their insanity and unchecked TDS and cancel culture have more or less made them overplay their hand multiple times.

Under Obama, they did the slow frog boil tactic of incremental shifts and it worked quite well but then Trump won and it threw everything into a tailspin.

The "Blue Wave" of 2018 turned out to be a light blue splash where the Dems were able to get a majority in the House, but the Senate still remained firmly in Republican control.

The Kavanaugh hearings were an utter shit show, and now Trump and McConnell are going out of their way to stack the federal judiciary against them, since activist judges were a big part of the progressive strategy.

Now woke culture is increasingly viewed with contempt, even if people are afraid to voice it, the candidate opposing Trump is a senile old rapist who is more or less an empty vessel for the DNC and is a total dud of a candidate who makes Mitt Romney look like Augustus Caesar in terms of charisma and a loyal base.

Meanwhile, major cities are burning and people are increasingly fed up even if they won't say it out loud at the moment.

A Trump win in 2020 is going to deal a heavily blow to wokeness even if it doesn't kill it outright, and they will cut the line on the SJW's for pragmatic reasons.

Thanks to COVID-19 and so many woke flops, I'd expect a lot of these corporations to dial back the woke shit or drop it completely so they can recoup their financial losses and regain the trust of the public in the event of a Trump win, especially if gains are made in the House. At that point, there will be no choice but to admit it's not a mere fluke.

You can't push a narrative effectively if nobody's paying any attention to it, and if Trump wins and the neoliberals cut the line on Antifa and BLM now that they've become too much of a liability, SJW culture will disappear.

Probably not instantaneously, but within a couple of years or so after the election is over and done with.

If Biden wins, they'll keep clamping down since it will come across as validating their entire strategy, especially since Biden is a dud who really can't win an election on his own and would be perma-fucked in 2020 were it not for COVID-19 and the BLM riots.

But if Trump wins, they'll retreat and recoup their losses as best they can while they plan for the next round of the culture wars, and chances are some new group of moral guardians will pop up and this whole cycle will begin again.

All this has happened before and it will happen again.
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Is woke culture viewed in contempt though? I don't really see anyone outside of conservative pundits and internet people that talk about it. I haven't heard normies say a thing and ultimately normies dictate where things go.

Also who says #MeToo is dead? I've spoken to people who think that Biden is innocent, but Kavanaugh is a rapist. Nobody has a desire to hold their side to their own standards.

You're right about 2018, but I think a large part of the reason why it wasn't a massive blue wave has to do with the fact that midterms generally don't energize people (particularly those who typically vote more for democrats) and get them to vote as much as presidential elections do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Republicans generally (from the time of Bill Clinton to present day) have the advantage during midterms.

Also, why do you think the Neo-liberals will drop the far left if they lose? First, if they didn't learn their lesson the first time, why would they learn it a second time and second, why do they need to? Look at America's racial demographics. The one ethnic group (other than Filipinos) that leans right is white people. White people in America generally do not have many kids and there isn't a large amount of white immigration to the US. Meanwhile, other groups, such as Hispanics and Hindus are coming to the US, having more kids than white people, and voting blue. Their kids don't care about woke shit or anything like that. All they want are social programs and they've been told that GOP is a gang of racist white men that want to kill them and they're house-niggers if they vote for them. The Democrats don't need to drop SJWs, they just need to wait for the demographic trends to give them victory.

Big corporations are in a similar position. Groups like Disney and Sony are hydras. Disney doesn't need to care if they loose $100,000 pushing woke shit in comic books or funding Chuck Wendig's retardation when they gain $100,000,000,000 from an MCU movie or their theme parks. Sony doesn't need to care about the horrible shit Funimation did to Vic and the damage it did to them when they make metric fuck tons of money on Playstations. None of the woke shit they've done has done enough damage to tank them, because there will always be another hydra head that can pick up the slack and that's the way it's always going to be. Besides, they have all sorts of SJW types already working in their companies, telling their higher-ups, who probably don't know any better, that the wokeshit isn't the problem. Also anything released around this time will have Covid as an excuse to fall back on. They've already done this with comics.

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Is woke culture viewed in contempt though? I don't really see anyone outside of conservative pundits and internet people that talk about it. I haven't heard normies say a thing and ultimately normies dictate where things go.

Also who says #MeToo is dead? I've spoken to people who think that Biden is innocent, but Kavanaugh is a rapist. Nobody has a desire to hold their side to their own standards.

You're right about 2018, but I think a large part of the reason why it wasn't a massive blue wave has to do with the fact that midterms generally don't energize people (particularly those who typically vote more for democrats) and get them to vote as much as presidential elections do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Republicans generally (from the time of Bill Clinton to present day) have the advantage during midterms.

Also, why do you think the Neo-liberals will drop the far left if they lose? First, if they didn't learn their lesson the first time, why would they learn it a second time and second, why do they need to? Look at America's racial demographics. The one ethnic group (other than Filipinos) that leans right is white people. White people in America generally do not have many kids and there isn't a large amount of white immigration to the US. Meanwhile, other groups, such as Hispanics and Hindus are coming to the US, having more kids than white people, and voting blue. Their kids don't care about woke shit or anything like that. All they want are social programs and they've been told that GOP is a gang of racist white men that want to kill them and they're house-niggers if they vote for them. The Democrats don't need to drop SJWs, they just need to wait for the demographic trends to give them victory.

Big corporations are in a similar position. Groups like Disney and Sony are hydras. Disney doesn't need to care if they loose $100,000 pushing woke shit in comic books or funding Chuck Wendig's retardation when they gain $100,000,000,000 from an MCU movie or their theme parks. Sony doesn't need to care about the horrible shit Funimation did to Vic and the damage it did to them when they make metric fuck tons of money on Playstations. None of the woke shit they've done has done enough damage to tank them, because there will always be another hydra head that can pick up the slack and that's the way it's always going to be. Besides, they have all sorts of SJW types already working in their companies, telling their higher-ups, who probably don't know any better, that the wokeshit isn't the problem. Also anything released around this time will have Covid as an excuse to fall back on. They've already done this with comics.

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1. The normies don't say anything because they've got real shit to worry about and don't want to add bullshit cancel culture on top of that. A growing backlash has been brewing in terms of the pop culture. Joker's a good example, as overhyped and apolitical as the movie itself actually is.

2. Biden killed MeToo more or less, even if the people still think Kavanaugh is guilty, the way they handled Tara Reade means the Neolibs are going to drop that tactic.

3. They need to drop SJW's if they don't want to piss off enough of the white community before the "Great Replacement" happens. Plus, the odious behavior of BLM in all this is the kind of stuff that more or less gets Asians and some Hispanics to switch sides and become a swing voter block, at least for a while.

Even if they lie on social media and say they voted Democrat, I'd expect a lot of non-blacks to vote Trump just to give the finger to BLM for all the rioting and looting. Even if they go back to voting Democrat in the very next election, that's still the kind of statement that would scare the neoliberals.

Hell, the Asians might even become a bluish-purple swing vote like middle class whites now because the mask has fully come off and the Woke Left has said they hate Asians about as much as they hate Whites.

Plus, as a demographic, they've been getting fucked over by Affirmative Action precisely because of the blacks and they're also not bound to the Democrats by either gibs or border control/immigration.

As the Religious Right fades away from memory and the SJW's having finally reached peak insanity, the Asian vote could flip away from the Democrats, at least temporarily.

The GOP cannot become the party of neocons and traditionalists anymore. Some things are just not worth conserving. As long as the GOP don't go full fedora like the Dems did, the Christians will vote for them. Dropping the explicitly Pro-Life and Anti-LGB rhetoric can help them get a lot of disgruntled people pissed at the trannies and how bugfuck insane the Left has become.

They don't have to be explicitly Pro-Choice, but traditionalism is cancer for the Right at this point in time.

Since you mentioned the Great Replacement, need I remind you that the Edict of Milan is the OG example of Western Civilization being subverted by (((them))) and much like how the rise of Christianity boomeranged on the Jews massively, the rise of Woke Leftism is already doing the same thanks to the explicitly pro-Palestinian Antifa and the Black Hebrew Israelites.

4. Disney and Sony are hydras, and COVID-19 has clobbered them, but enough flops on top of that will make them drop the woke shit. Especially if the MCU suffers a box office bomb.

The MCU and big-budget capeshit movies in general are very much a high-risk/high-reward venture, and if the goddamn MCU gets woke enough to go broke, Disney will cut the line.

This is doubly true if the big flop happens in 2021 or later since they can't blame Corona for their troubles.

Also, it makes sense not just from a financial position but also from a propaganda position.

If the masses are so fed up that they won't even go out to watch the billion dollar MCU spectacle this summer, then clearly Disney has alienated them and they can't shill their narrative as well.

After all, if a narrative is broadcast and nobody even sees or hears it, it's a waste of time and effort.

Also, there's the whole "Antifa is now a terrorist movement subject to the financial restrictions of the Patriot Act" that the DOJ already signed into effect.

Considering how all those corporations who now are shilling for Black Lives Matter can be held legally and criminally liable for aiding and abetting terrorism, that's something to keep in mind.

The Antifa terrorist designation is more or less Trump and Barr setting up the nuclear option and since BLM is more or less intertwined with Antifa at this point, then all Barr and Trump have to do is completely freeze the assets and accounts of any Antifa networks and organizations, and by extension front groups like BLM. Any individual or company that donates or endorses them can be charged as well.

This more or less sets up Morton's Fork. The neolibs will either admit they're stowing all those donations in their own funds and risk their shock troops turning on them, or they'll go down with the ship.

It'd be a choice between admitting they held the money for themselves or doing years in federal prison for aiding terrorism unless they go full states evidence and throw the leftists under the bus.

Which choice do you think pampered billionaires like Bezos, Dorsey, Susan, and Iger will pick?

Hint: It certainly won't be federal prison and the federal government is the one group that could financially stand toe-to-toe with these corporations in the courts and wear them down.

The doomers and the traditionalist faggots need to stop overdosing on black pills and actually get out and vote instead of bitching about "muh Great Replacement" and "muh degeneracy"

SJW's are not going to be around forever, no matter what you may think.

They're getting played by the neolibs just like the fundies got played by the neocons twenty years earlier, and when they're no longer politically useful, they will be discarded.
 

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1. The normies don't say anything because they've got real shit to worry about and don't want to add bullshit cancel culture on top of that. A growing backlash has been brewing in terms of the pop culture. Joker's a good example, as overhyped and apolitical as the movie itself actually is.

2. Biden killed MeToo more or less, even if the people still think Kavanaugh is guilty, the way they handled Tara Reade means the Neolibs are going to drop that tactic.

3. They need to drop SJW's if they don't want to piss off enough of the white community before the "Great Replacement" happens. Plus, the odious behavior of BLM in all this is the kind of stuff that more or less gets Asians and some Hispanics to switch sides and become a swing voter block, at least for a while.

Even if they lie on social media and say they voted Democrat, I'd expect a lot of non-blacks to vote Trump just to give the finger to BLM for all the rioting and looting. Even if they go back to voting Democrat in the very next election, that's still the kind of statement that would scare the neoliberals.

Hell, the Asians might even become a bluish-purple swing vote like middle class whites now because the mask has fully come off and the Woke Left has said they hate Asians about as much as they hate Whites.

Plus, as a demographic, they've been getting fucked over by Affirmative Action precisely because of the blacks and they're also not bound to the Democrats by either gibs or border control/immigration.

As the Religious Right fades away from memory and the SJW's having finally reached peak insanity, the Asian vote could flip away from the Democrats, at least temporarily.

The GOP cannot become the party of neocons and traditionalists anymore. Some things are just not worth conserving. As long as the GOP don't go full fedora like the Dems did, the Christians will vote for them. Dropping the explicitly Pro-Life and Anti-LGB rhetoric can help them get a lot of disgruntled people pissed at the trannies and how bugfuck insane the Left has become.

They don't have to be explicitly Pro-Choice, but traditionalism is cancer for the Right at this point in time.

Since you mentioned the Great Replacement, need I remind you that the Edict of Milan is the OG example of Western Civilization being subverted by (((them))) and much like how the rise of Christianity boomeranged on the Jews massively, the rise of Woke Leftism is already doing the same thanks to the explicitly pro-Palestinian Antifa and the Black Hebrew Israelites.

4. Disney and Sony are hydras, and COVID-19 has clobbered them, but enough flops on top of that will make them drop the woke shit. Especially if the MCU suffers a box office bomb.

The MCU and big-budget capeshit movies in general are very much a high-risk/high-reward venture, and if the goddamn MCU gets woke enough to go broke, Disney will cut the line.

This is doubly true if the big flop happens in 2021 or later since they can't blame Corona for their troubles.

Also, it makes sense not just from a financial position but also from a propaganda position.

If the masses are so fed up that they won't even go out to watch the billion dollar MCU spectacle this summer, then clearly Disney has alienated them and they can't shill their narrative as well.

After all, if a narrative is broadcast and nobody even sees or hears it, it's a waste of time and effort.

Also, there's the whole "Antifa is now a terrorist movement subject to the financial restrictions of the Patriot Act" that the DOJ already signed into effect.

Considering how all those corporations who now are shilling for Black Lives Matter can be held legally and criminally liable for aiding and abetting terrorism, that's something to keep in mind.

The Antifa terrorist designation is more or less Trump and Barr setting up the nuclear option and since BLM is more or less intertwined with Antifa at this point, then all Barr and Trump have to do is completely freeze the assets and accounts of any Antifa networks and organizations, and by extension front groups like BLM. Any individual or company that donates or endorses them can be charged as well.

This more or less sets up Morton's Fork. The neolibs will either admit they're stowing all those donations in their own funds and risk their shock troops turning on them, or they'll go down with the ship.

It'd be a choice between admitting they held the money for themselves or doing years in federal prison for aiding terrorism unless they go full states evidence and throw the leftists under the bus.

Which choice do you think pampered billionaires like Bezos, Dorsey, Susan, and Iger will pick?

Hint: It certainly won't be federal prison and the federal government is the one group that could financially stand toe-to-toe with these corporations in the courts and wear them down.

The doomers and the traditionalist faggots need to stop overdosing on black pills and actually get out and vote instead of bitching about "muh Great Replacement" and "muh degeneracy"

SJW's are not going to be around forever, no matter what you may think.

They're getting played by the neolibs just like the fundies got played by the neocons twenty years earlier, and when they're no longer politically useful, they will be discarded.
Hell there's that memo that got leaked of the DNC telling it's members not to support BLM in 2015.

Tells me all I need to know how sincere these fucks are about this shit.
 

Observerer

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I believe that sjwism would die out if people taught their kids that it is okay to get your feelings hurt, that people are assholes and you need to deal with it, not ask for mommy or your hugbox or your safespace. Many young people have learned this, but the little bitches who haven't are the ones that scream the loudest. Sjwism will die out, the silent majority will tell them to fuck off eventually
 

Mr. ShadowCreek

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The 2020s might be a complete reversal for the left. What was once the edgy people who liked breaking the rules, cracking jokes, and making fun of overprotective people now hate all of those. We might see some groups turn to the right that would have sounded insane 20 years ago. The media will still be left, but it's weird too see them make fun of PC culture to embracing it. I think the children of millennials will grow up conservatives. Many millennials had conservative parents who pushed their ideas down their throats. This turned them away from that and they vowed not to become like their parents. Ironically, they did, just in the opposite direction. Millennials kids will not being forced to go to BLP parades or seeing pageants of little boys in drag. They will see Democrats as the "uncool party". Which is what the Republicans were for years.
 

welcometotherock

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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't it take at least 2-3 years for a decade's culture to truly differentiate itself from the previous one? Early 90s was a holdout for 80s trends that died out like New Age and hair metal, early 2000s was a holdout for 90s trends that died out like nu metal and gross out comedies, and the early 2010s was a holdout for 2000s trends that died out like Advice Dog memes and edge for the sake of edge. I don't see why woke politics won't just die off in the gutter like all the other awful trends of the last century.

"Vote blue no matter who" is a fundamentally awful slogan that shows Democrats clinging to that last fabric of idpol that served them so well in the last decade, and it's ultimately going to be their death knell. I'm generally a leftie whenever I vote in municipal stuff, but I still voted for Trump. Why? Because of the fact that the Democrats were exposed as a fundamentally corrupt institution that doesn't deserve my vote at the federal level. I'd also like to add that 2016 was basically what blackpilled me as a disenfranchised voter and 2020 thus far is making it much worse.

The 2020 primaries have basically proven that the Democrats will stoop down to blatant pandering if it means that people will vote for them... even if it means gratuitous Spanish during a nationally televised debate in the middle of a primary. As a brown Asian guy, why the fuck should I vote for any of these clowns? If Biden suddenly did a campaign speech in Urdu, does that imply that I should vote for him because he's speaking to me on a level nobody else will? Of course fucking not. That type of shit is patronising no matter who does it and whatever language they speak.

Really, the current state of the Democrats as a whole is a good indicator of whether or not this woke shit will die out. If the political institutions that back this woke movement exposed themselves for not caring to put in the bare minimum so long as they get the vote, what makes these faceless corporations any different? Profit margins are the most important metric that these companies will follow and the moment that this woke shit nets them a downward turn, they'll reverse course and profit off of the next group that makes it big.

"Vote blue no matter who," cancel culture, basically the whole woke SJW zeitgeist will inevitably fade away. Voters adapt. Consumers adapt. No meaningful change will ever truly come to pass, but I guarantee you that Trump will win, woke shit will die out, and the fulcrum will swing the other way until we're back where we started again. I'll even go so far as to say that in another 10 years, we'll be chimping about autistic right wingers with similar disdain as we do with SJWs.
 

CheezzyMach

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The 2020s might be a complete reversal for the left. What was once the edgy people who liked breaking the rules, cracking jokes, and making fun of overprotective people now hate all of those. We might see some groups turn to the right that would have sounded insane 20 years ago. The media will still be left, but it's weird too see them make fun of PC culture to embracing it. I think the children of millennials will grow up conservatives. Many millennials had conservative parents who pushed their ideas down their throats. This turned them away from that and they vowed not to become like their parents. Ironically, they did, just in the opposite direction. Millennials kids will not being forced to go to BLP parades or seeing pageants of little boys in drag. They will see Democrats as the "uncool party". Which is what the Republicans were for years.
Eh I think we'll see more of a Gen X thing amongst the youth a hatred of politics and activism in general like in the mid-late 90s.

It'll probably be the Gen (Alpha,Beta?) after today's teens that goes hard Right in response to their fucked up Hippie parents if anything.
 

Benisinbagina

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It's a cancer embedded in academia, the educational system, is backed by companies and every media conglomerate. It won't stop until, appropriately enough for Marxist bullshit, it collapses under its contradictions. Sadly that'll be by the time they've 'won' and the various grievance groups turn on each other.
 
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Eggsy

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Hate to break the Yank-fest, but PC Culture isn’t just an American phenomenon. It’s permeating across all of western society, and woke pushers in the media are normalising it until it fully integrates with the status quo. Donald Trump and his attorney general aren’t going to do anything meaningful to put an end to it, because it’s nothing you can legislate. If anything, Trump’s endorsement of anything counter-PC is only going to make wokesters double down on their efforts, especially once he’s out of office and they’re at the helm.

‘Owning the libs’ is worthless because the libs own everything. Corporations and media giants will continue to shape the culture. As @AnimeGirlConnoisseur said, SJW-types are the ones advising these companies into pushing their wokeshit under the guise of virtuous inclusivity, and the normies in charge go along with it because they don’t know any better. They believe the twitter mob is reflective of the general populace, and fold accordingly. It’s all about controlling the narrative.

Also, there's the whole "Antifa is now a terrorist movement subject to the financial restrictions of the Patriot Act" that the DOJ already signed into effect.

Considering how all those corporations who now are shilling for Black Lives Matter can be held legally and criminally liable for aiding and abetting terrorism, that's something to keep in mind.

The Antifa terrorist designation is more or less Trump and Barr setting up the nuclear option and since BLM is more or less intertwined with Antifa at this point, then all Barr and Trump have to do is completely freeze the assets and accounts of any Antifa networks and organizations, and by extension front groups like BLM. Any individual or company that donates or endorses them can be charged as well.
Antifa =/= Black Lives Matter. Corporations are never, ever going to be penalised for shilling #BLM on social media every time an American policeman brutalises an unarmed black person. The backlash would be astronomical. Again, Trump isn’t going to be the saviour in this fight, nor is he articulate or even likeable enough to swing the cultural pendulum away from wokeshit.

PC Culture isn’t going anywhere until its detractors are no longer stigmatised and more people are willing to speak out against idpol. I don’t mean to sound like a doomer, but people were saying back in 2012 that this wouldn’t last and now it’s become much worse.
 

hundredpercent

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"Vote blue no matter who," cancel culture, basically the whole woke SJW zeitgeist will inevitably fade away. Voters adapt. Consumers adapt. No meaningful change will ever truly come to pass, but I guarantee you that Trump will win, woke shit will die out, and the fulcrum will swing the other way until we're back where we started again. I'll even go so far as to say that in another 10 years, we'll be chimping about autistic right wingers with similar disdain as we do with SJWs.
There's more and more people who have no choice but to vote blue no matter who, though. It's only really straight, White men who can consider multiple different views and rationally form a decision. What self-respecting homosexual/darkie/woman would vote against the self-interests of their group?

There are some exceptions, such as yourself, but they're far and few in between.
It's a cancer embedded in academia, the educational system, is backed by companies and every media conglomerate. It won't stop until, appropriately enough for Marxist bullshit, it collapses under its contradictions. Sadly that'll be by the time they've 'won' and the various grievance groups turn on each other.
Should the Jew, with the aid of his Marxist creed, triumph over the peoples of this world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of mankind, and this planet will once again follow its orbit through ether, devoid of human life, as it did millions of years ago.
 

CheezzyMach

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Hate to break the Yank-fest, but PC Culture isn’t just an American phenomenon. It’s permeating across all of western society, and woke pushers in the media are normalising it until it fully integrates with the status quo. Donald Trump and his attorney general aren’t going to do anything meaningful to put an end to it, because it’s nothing you can legislate. If anything, Trump’s endorsement of anything counter-PC is only going to make wokesters double down on their efforts, especially once he’s out of office and they’re at the helm.

‘Owning the libs’ is worthless because the libs own everything. Corporations and media giants will continue to shape the culture. As @AnimeGirlConnoisseur said, SJW-types are the ones advising these companies into pushing their wokeshit under the guise of virtuous inclusivity, and the normies in charge go along with it because they don’t know any better. They believe the twitter mob is reflective of the general populace, and fold accordingly. It’s all about controlling the narrative.



Antifa =/= Black Lives Matter. Corporations are never, ever going to be penalised for shilling #BLM on social media every time an American policeman brutalises an unarmed black person. The backlash would be astronomical. Again, Trump isn’t going to be the saviour in this fight, nor is he articulate or even likeable enough to swing the cultural pendulum away from wokeshit.

PC Culture isn’t going anywhere until its detractors are no longer stigmatised and more people are willing to speak out against idpol. I don’t mean to sound like a doomer, but people were saying back in 2012 that this wouldn’t last and now it’s become much worse.
TBH though in America that's really no different then how the Moral Majority was at it's peak. Virtually untouchable in the 80s and early 90s to complete laughing stock nationwide in the mid-late 90s when people finally told them to fuck off and started mocking them.

Also a big difference between America and Europe is our first amendment and how rebellion is practically glorified here. Even as we tear down Confederate statues for being "racist" we're still glorifying "resisting" Orange Man and defying the Covid lockdowns.

And well historically social panics/movements both Left and Right tend to last little over a decade in America so we're looking at this current one in perspective to past ones and trying to predict the end date.

I'm a bloody yank though so I can't predict shit for Europe. How have you guys handled social panics like this in the past?
 

AnimeGirlConnoisseur

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1. The normies don't say anything because they've got real shit to worry about and don't want to add bullshit cancel culture on top of that. A growing backlash has been brewing in terms of the pop culture. Joker's a good example, as overhyped and apolitical as the movie itself actually is.

2. Biden killed MeToo more or less, even if the people still think Kavanaugh is guilty, the way they handled Tara Reade means the Neolibs are going to drop that tactic.

3. They need to drop SJW's if they don't want to piss off enough of the white community before the "Great Replacement" happens. Plus, the odious behavior of BLM in all this is the kind of stuff that more or less gets Asians and some Hispanics to switch sides and become a swing voter block, at least for a while.

Even if they lie on social media and say they voted Democrat, I'd expect a lot of non-blacks to vote Trump just to give the finger to BLM for all the rioting and looting. Even if they go back to voting Democrat in the very next election, that's still the kind of statement that would scare the neoliberals.

Hell, the Asians might even become a bluish-purple swing vote like middle class whites now because the mask has fully come off and the Woke Left has said they hate Asians about as much as they hate Whites.

Plus, as a demographic, they've been getting fucked over by Affirmative Action precisely because of the blacks and they're also not bound to the Democrats by either gibs or border control/immigration.

As the Religious Right fades away from memory and the SJW's having finally reached peak insanity, the Asian vote could flip away from the Democrats, at least temporarily.

The GOP cannot become the party of neocons and traditionalists anymore. Some things are just not worth conserving. As long as the GOP don't go full fedora like the Dems did, the Christians will vote for them. Dropping the explicitly Pro-Life and Anti-LGB rhetoric can help them get a lot of disgruntled people pissed at the trannies and how bugfuck insane the Left has become.

They don't have to be explicitly Pro-Choice, but traditionalism is cancer for the Right at this point in time.

Since you mentioned the Great Replacement, need I remind you that the Edict of Milan is the OG example of Western Civilization being subverted by (((them))) and much like how the rise of Christianity boomeranged on the Jews massively, the rise of Woke Leftism is already doing the same thanks to the explicitly pro-Palestinian Antifa and the Black Hebrew Israelites.

4. Disney and Sony are hydras, and COVID-19 has clobbered them, but enough flops on top of that will make them drop the woke shit. Especially if the MCU suffers a box office bomb.

The MCU and big-budget capeshit movies in general are very much a high-risk/high-reward venture, and if the goddamn MCU gets woke enough to go broke, Disney will cut the line.

This is doubly true if the big flop happens in 2021 or later since they can't blame Corona for their troubles.

Also, it makes sense not just from a financial position but also from a propaganda position.

If the masses are so fed up that they won't even go out to watch the billion dollar MCU spectacle this summer, then clearly Disney has alienated them and they can't shill their narrative as well.

After all, if a narrative is broadcast and nobody even sees or hears it, it's a waste of time and effort.

Also, there's the whole "Antifa is now a terrorist movement subject to the financial restrictions of the Patriot Act" that the DOJ already signed into effect.

Considering how all those corporations who now are shilling for Black Lives Matter can be held legally and criminally liable for aiding and abetting terrorism, that's something to keep in mind.

The Antifa terrorist designation is more or less Trump and Barr setting up the nuclear option and since BLM is more or less intertwined with Antifa at this point, then all Barr and Trump have to do is completely freeze the assets and accounts of any Antifa networks and organizations, and by extension front groups like BLM. Any individual or company that donates or endorses them can be charged as well.

This more or less sets up Morton's Fork. The neolibs will either admit they're stowing all those donations in their own funds and risk their shock troops turning on them, or they'll go down with the ship.

It'd be a choice between admitting they held the money for themselves or doing years in federal prison for aiding terrorism unless they go full states evidence and throw the leftists under the bus.

Which choice do you think pampered billionaires like Bezos, Dorsey, Susan, and Iger will pick?

Hint: It certainly won't be federal prison and the federal government is the one group that could financially stand toe-to-toe with these corporations in the courts and wear them down.

The doomers and the traditionalist faggots need to stop overdosing on black pills and actually get out and vote instead of bitching about "muh Great Replacement" and "muh degeneracy"

SJW's are not going to be around forever, no matter what you may think.

They're getting played by the neolibs just like the fundies got played by the neocons twenty years earlier, and when they're no longer politically useful, they will be discarded.
First off, thanks for adding some numbers, this shit was getting out of hand.
1. If the normies don't care then nothing will change. If this growing backlash is limited to KF and places like it then it will not change anything. I don't see how Joker changes anything.
2. It doesn't matter if the neo-lib establishment no longer uses #MeToo. Most of the people using #MeToo were progressives, up until Kavanugh the neo-libs just stood by and watched. Just because one part of one of the big two political parties got burned by it doesn't mean it's going to be abandoned by the progressives that use it in the entertainment industry, social media, academia, and every day life.
3. I don't really see the Asian-American demographic swinging red. First off the recent data doesn't back it up (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...term-vote-divisions-by-race-gender-education/ https://www.statista.com/statistics...the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-race/). Second, you gotta remember that Asia is a big place and home to many different cultures. Many of the cultures are Islamic and the truth is that Muslims just aren't going to side with the Republicans, especially younger ones that grew up post-9/11. There are still older ones that like fiscal conservatism and hate troons, but the recent history with the US and Islam and the Neocons' Zionist bullshit is just going to steer them away. Then there is the matter of what I call the Democrat Plantation. I think that a lot of nonwhite people in America see the Democrats as the anti-racists that are going to protect them from the evil orange man. I've seen this mentality with my own eyes.
As for Asians and Affirmative Action, I don't think many of them care and if they do care they don't care enough to push them off the plantation. I think they are more likely to blame themselves, rather than the system, and (at least in medical schools) what most of the Asians I know are concerned about isn't Affirmative Action, but too many Hindus coming in and overwhelming the system; making it harder for everyone else to get into a good school.
4. Well, one thing I don't think you addressed is that in some of these companies the creative leaders aren't even concerned about the money. Look at Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy. It's not about making money or making a good product to them, it's about preaching. Now, I bring this Star Wars stuff up, because episode 8 and 9 still turned a profit (not as big as episode 7, but they're still in the black). I think that for properties like Star Wars or the MCU there's always going to be a consoomer-base that will gobble up whatever's put in their plate regardless of its quality. Also I don't think Disney is stupid enough to go all in on Woke. There will still be some (maybe even a majority) of non-woke properties that will generate a great deal of profit and keep the lights on (Mandelorian).
5. (the Antifa comments) As someone else said, Antifa and BLM are not one in the same. Also what is to stop the powers that be from simply creating a new group to replace Antifa?


...and for the record, I do vote, I can only do it once a year (this year is an exception as I voted for Biden in the primary an attempt to weaken the Dems).
 
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First off, thanks for adding some numbers, this shit was getting out of hand.
1. If the normies don't care then nothing will change. If this growing backlash is limited to KF and places like it then it will not change anything. I don't see how Joker changes anything.
2. It doesn't matter if the neo-lib establishment no longer uses #MeToo. Most of the people using #MeToo were progressives, up until Kavanugh the neo-libs just stood by and watched. Just because one part of one of the big two political parties got burned by it doesn't mean it's going to be abandoned by the progressives that use it in the entertainment industry, social media, academia, and every day life.
3. I don't really see the Asian-American demographic swinging red. First off the recent data doesn't back it up (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...term-vote-divisions-by-race-gender-education/ https://www.statista.com/statistics...the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-race/). Second, you gotta remember that Asia is a big place and home to many different cultures. Many of the cultures are Islamic and the truth is that Muslims just aren't going to side with the Republicans, especially younger ones that grew up post-9/11. There are still older ones that like fiscal conservatism and hate troons, but the recent history with the US and Islam and the Neocons' Zionist bullshit is just going to steer them away. Then there is the matter of what I call the Democrat Plantation. I think that a lot of nonwhite people in America see the Democrats as the anti-racists that are going to protect them from the evil orange man. I've seen this mentality with my own eyes.
As for Asians and Affirmative Action, I don't think many of them care and if they do care they don't care enough to push them off the plantation. I think they are more likely to blame themselves, rather than the system, and (at least in medical schools) what most of the Asians I know are concerned about isn't Affirmative Action, but too many Hindus coming in and overwhelming the system; making it harder for everyone else to get into a good school.
4. Well, one thing I don't think you addressed is that in some of these companies the creative leaders aren't even concerned about the money. Look at Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy. It's not about making money or making a good product to them, it's about preaching. Now, I bring this Star Wars stuff up, because episode 8 and 9 still turned a profit (not as big as episode 7, but they're still in the black). I think that for properties like Star Wars or the MCU there's always going to be a consoomer-base that will gobble up whatever's put in their plate regardless of its quality. Also I don't think Disney is stupid enough to go all in on Woke. There will still be some (maybe even a majority) of non-woke properties that will generate a great deal of profit and keep the lights on (Mandelorian).
5. (the Antifa comments) As someone else said, Antifa and BLM are not one in the same. Also what is to stop the powers that be from simply creating a new group to replace Antifa?


...and for the record, I do vote, I can only do it once a year (this year is an exception as I voted for Biden in the primary an attempt to weaken the Dems).
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1. The normies do care, they just won't admit it out loud. I mentioned the Joker thing because that was one of those trivial bullshit things that the normies more or less told off the cancel culture crowd by watching it. This was just a movie before the pandemic lockdowns and before the BLM riots.

Now that they've got real shit to worry about since BLM and Antifa are rioting and looting, they will care and they will react. As long as the secret ballot is still in effect, things can change in the United States. Europe is perma-fucked, but the US has a strong tradition of the pendulum effect and rebelliousness in general.

2. It will be abandoned everywhere except academia now that the neolibs have been burned by it. Academia is weakening thanks to Betsy DeVos actively trying to weaken Title IX, which helps strengthen Me Too on the college campuses.

Another thing to consider is academia played a major role in this SJW contagion getting so big to begin with. So many Millennials went to college because they were basically told that a degree was an unspoken requirement for employment, but weren't told that some degrees are utterly worthless. This has created a massive student debt bubble that is primed to pop.

When that bubble bursts, Academia will be severely crippled and will have to restructure to survive. As a consequence, they'll no longer be able to indoctrinate as effectively as they did before.

3. Recent data does not back up the possibility of Asians swinging red, but need I remind you of what is currently going on in 2020? All these black supremacist thugs looting and rioting and more or less attacking anyone who isn't black, with whites and Asians getting the worst of it.

That will have an effect on the election, even if they go back to voting blue in 2022 (or 2021 for certain state and local elections) I can see a lot of them voting red in 2020 just to say "Fuck You, BLM!" without being branded as a target.

Also, keep in mind that I am mainly referring to East Asians, Southeast Asians, and Indians, who are not majority Muslim (Indonesia being a major exception, of course)

4. Yes, Rian and Kathleen are all about being preachy. But if nobody shows up to the sermon, the preaching is ineffective.

Star Wars Episode 8 and 9 made profits from a strong opening weekend and because they built hype around it being the "grand finale of the Star Wars saga".

An MCU flop will be big enough to kick Disney in the balls and get the message. The capeshit fad is primed to crash now that Endgame is over and done with and the whole "Phase 4" MCU isn't really going anywhere.

The soylent bearded consoomer bugmen will buy anything with a Marvel name attached to it, but the MCU makes most of its box office billions from bored normies in the summertime who just want to kill time on a Saturday night.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the whole MCU originally planned as three phases that built up to the whole "Infinity War/End Game" two-part finale? I remember back in 2012 when the first Avengers got big that Disney had a whole chart they put out that detailed a bunch of the future titles.

Superhero movies are to the 2010's what Westerns are to the 1950's or slasher movies are to the 1980's, a fad that creates a massive bubble and goes stagnant enough that the bubble bursts and the genre never fully recovers afterwards.

Given how expensive a single MCU movie is, even by the standards of Hollywood blockbusters, an MCU box office bomb would kill the franchise, especially if it goes full woke and it's released in 2021 or later so they can't use COVID-19 as a scapegoat.

If nobody shows up to your sermons, then your efforts at preaching the narrative are in vain and end up becoming a drain. Disney is massive, but they've also not fully digested the sheer costs of buying out Fox and Corona has hurt them too.

You can only preach to an empty theater for so long before Bob Iger stops signing your check.

5. Antifa and BLM are not the same organization, you are correct in that. But it's also obvious that they are closely allied with each other and that can be used against BLM and their donors.

As for the powers that be, they're not omnipotent. Someone else mentioned the fact that they're a lot less likely to be the Illuminati and more like the night crew at Chernobyl in 1986, especially with how they've handled this.

The last time degenerate Jewish ideologies fully subverted a dying hegemonic superpower and completely rewrote Western Civilization was when Rome converted to Christianity, and that had a nasty backlash on the Jews.

If there really is some nefarious Jewish conspiracy that controls the entire world and wants to create a million-year GloboHomo reich, they're more likely to be senile geezers who are full of hubris and can be undone by their own personal flaws.

George Soros is old enough to have sold out his fellow Jews to the actual Nazis back when he was a teenager. He's not infallible and can get overconfident like any other human being.
 

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There's more and more people who have no choice but to vote blue no matter who, though. It's only really straight, White men who can consider multiple different views and rationally form a decision. What self-respecting homosexual/darkie/woman would vote against the self-interests of their group?

There are some exceptions, such as yourself, but they're far and few in between.
You would legitimately be surprised if you ever stepped out of the cliché "muh jooz" blackpilled mindset. While it is demonstrably true that immigrants and indeed, people of colour collectively tend to vote Democrat, that trend slowly is changing with time. I can't speak for every single brown person in the USA, but from my own personal experiences, both Democrats and Republicans are equally abhorred by brown people but for slightly different reasons.

Both parties, even (and in fact, especially) under Obama's tenure are essentially viewed as warhawks who'll gladly carpet bomb your homeland when given an opportunity. This tends to be the most common view shared by people like Arabs, Afghans, and Pakistanis. Republicans are more obvious in this regard, and they prioritise spending cuts to fund the war machine even for arguably beneficial programmes like public education and infrastructure maintenance. And of course, Republicans are the party of racists, xenophobes, and so on according to the MSM so they have that factor working against them.

Democrats on the other hand tend to be viewed as ass-kissers. They'll literally pander to you at any cost, even if it means running campaign ads in other languages to be broadcast on international channels. They tend to focus more on domestic stuff, but they always fuck something up in the process. New Democrat county executive, mayor, or what have you? Say goodbye to your fucking suspension because potholes won't get patched because apparently we need to focus more on inclusivity in public spaces, wifi on the buses and trains, and so on. Not like any of those things would ever get fixed under a Republican executive, but such is the cycle of voting. Oh yeah, the inclusivity rhetoric is nice but now you have to deal with degenerates who don't understand you or your culture try to pander to you in the most insulting ways possible.

Basically, the choice that brown people face in my own experience is the criminally incompetent suckups who'll lecture you about the greater public good OR the corrupt racists who make no bones about hating you and your people. Not really much of an incentive to vote either way, so lower voter turnout tends to be the norm here... despite all the moral grandstanding you'll find on social media. People will be vocal about who they hate the most, but actual voter turnout won't be particularly high if there isn't a candidate who actually does what we want.
 

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The one thing that’s nearly guaranteed to happen regardless of who’s in power is the popping of the college loan bubble, which will lead to a radical restructuring of academia.
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Part of why the dems want college debt forgiveness so badly and free college is to prop up their pork barrel and propaganda mill at public expense. I'm not opposed to free college, but it needs to be coupled with drastic price controls that reverse the past few decades of administrative bloat, and a serious look at the economic value provided by degree programs. Otherwise it's yet another redistribution from poor to rich.

I agree that academia is a bubble and a pyramid scheme, and how that shakes out is likely to have an important effect going forward.

I think at this point PC culture is firmly established as a regional religion of blue states in the same what that Christianity is in the South. Not being, technically, a religion, they have a much easier time forcing into the workplace, schools, etc without getting pushback due to the Establishment Clause. It's not going away there in our lifetimes, but it may lose power on the national stage and become less able to fuck with non-adherents.

Regarding white replacement, it's worth noting that the US has seen waves of mass migration before who were regarded with the same fear of never assimilating, outbreeding, etc. Scots-Irish Catholics in particular. The melting pot may not be PC, but it has worked out well enough in the past, and may well do so again. I get along better with the immigrants and their kids than the WASPs or WASJW Karens, and they seem to have a better appreciation for America having seen what actual repressive shitholes look like. Whose healthy, well-nourished children tower over them because they were starved during the Cultural Revolution.

It's far from guaranteed, but I think there is at least some small chance that demographic change will ultimately end up conserving what I value about this country, but that was never white skin. It will depend on how effectively the elites can continue playing grievance politics to divide and conquer and rule over an atomised population.
 
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I hope this latest sweep to cancel and purge everything while feelings are hurt will finally drive away enough people to hurt the monster. Alas, I've been disappointed before.

I started an offline HDD archive of banned/wrongthink shit. Right now it includes "Stark Raving Dad" (which Simpsons producers want memory holed not just from streaming services but all future DVD reissues) Song of the South, the Censored Eleven and in a little bit a torrent of "Cops." Because get fucked, clowns.
 
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You would legitimately be surprised if you ever stepped out of the cliché "muh jooz" blackpilled mindset. While it is demonstrably true that immigrants and indeed, people of colour collectively tend to vote Democrat, that trend slowly is changing with time. I can't speak for every single brown person in the USA, but from my own personal experiences, both Democrats and Republicans are equally abhorred by brown people but for slightly different reasons.

Both parties, even (and in fact, especially) under Obama's tenure are essentially viewed as warhawks who'll gladly carpet bomb your homeland when given an opportunity. This tends to be the most common view shared by people like Arabs, Afghans, and Pakistanis. Republicans are more obvious in this regard, and they prioritise spending cuts to fund the war machine even for arguably beneficial programmes like public education and infrastructure maintenance. And of course, Republicans are the party of racists, xenophobes, and so on according to the MSM so they have that factor working against them.

Democrats on the other hand tend to be viewed as ass-kissers. They'll literally pander to you at any cost, even if it means running campaign ads in other languages to be broadcast on international channels. They tend to focus more on domestic stuff, but they always fuck something up in the process. New Democrat county executive, mayor, or what have you? Say goodbye to your fucking suspension because potholes won't get patched because apparently we need to focus more on inclusivity in public spaces, wifi on the buses and trains, and so on. Not like any of those things would ever get fixed under a Republican executive, but such is the cycle of voting. Oh yeah, the inclusivity rhetoric is nice but now you have to deal with degenerates who don't understand you or your culture try to pander to you in the most insulting ways possible.

Basically, the choice that brown people face in my own experience is the criminally incompetent suckups who'll lecture you about the greater public good OR the corrupt racists who make no bones about hating you and your people. Not really much of an incentive to vote either way, so lower voter turnout tends to be the norm here... despite all the moral grandstanding you'll find on social media. People will be vocal about who they hate the most, but actual voter turnout won't be particularly high if there isn't a candidate who actually does what we want.
That's an interesting post, but is it true? If you look at the colored vote, it's >90% Democrat. No matter how you split it up by education/ethnicity/whatever, the map is always 100% blue.

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Do you have any quantitative evidence that non-Whites are starting to vote Republican?
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Part of why the dems want college debt forgiveness so badly and free college is to prop up their pork barrel and propaganda mill at public expense. I'm not opposed to free college, but it needs to be coupled with drastic price controls that reverse the past few decades of administrative bloat, and a serious look at the economic value provided by degree programs. Otherwise it's yet another redistribution from poor to rich.

I agree that academia is a bubble and a pyramid scheme, and how that shakes out is likely to have an important effect going forward.

I think at this point PC culture is firmly established as a regional religion of blue states in the same what that Christianity is in the South. Not being, technically, a religion, they have a much easier time forcing into the workplace, schools, etc without getting pushback due to the Establishment Clause. It's not going away there in our lifetimes, but it may lose power on the national stage and become less able to fuck with non-adherents.

Regarding white replacement, it's worth noting that the US has seen waves of mass migration before who were regarded with the same fear of never assimilating, outbreeding, etc. Scots-Irish Catholics in particular. The melting pot may not be PC, but it has worked out well enough in the past, and may well do so again. I get along better with the immigrants and their kids than the WASPs or WASJW Karens, and they seem to have a better appreciation for America having seen what actual repressive shitholes look like. Whose healthy, well-nourished children tower over them because they were starved during the Cultural Revolution.

It's far from guaranteed, but I think there is at least some small chance that demographic change will ultimately end up conserving what I value about this country, but that was never white skin. It will depend on how effectively the elites can continue playing grievance politics to divide and conquer and rule over an atomised population.
Immigrants are, by and large, in opposition to freedom of speech. in 2016, 49% of Hispanics said that people need to be more careful about the language they use to avoid offending people with different backgrounds, whereas only 32% of White people believed this. These gaps appear to have grown larger in the past few years.

I disagree with your claim that their kids tend to share their appreciation of America. There is some self-selection, yes, but there is also a huge "regression to the mean" effect. We can see this in Europe especially, where second-gen immigrants are far more likely to commit acts of terrorism.

Looking at the Democrats in the USA today, it seems like they realize it's far more profitable to inflame racial strife. Even if the Democrats are obviously pandering, most (non-Whites) will still understand that they're on their side. They would rather vote for a dishonest ally than an honest enemy.
 
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