Is "body positivity" contributing to the trans trend? -
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crownthefempire
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I think it's just in general that the internet is allowing people to see positive depictions of trans people a lot earlier in life than before, and generally a lot of people being more accepting.
Like, for someone a little older than me your only experience with trans people at all might be Ace Ventura or Buffalo Bill. You might just think "yeah this is a bad thing" and ignore every thought you have about it. And for trans guys, name one mainstream depiction before Sonny and Cher's kid came out?
Like, for someone a little older than me your only experience with trans people at all might be Ace Ventura or Buffalo Bill. You might just think "yeah this is a bad thing" and ignore every thought you have about it. And for trans guys, name one mainstream depiction before Sonny and Cher's kid came out?
This is the dumbest reference ever, but:
I'm not saying that these people should have kept their daughters ignorant of real social issues, but maybe this could have been handled better.
It doesn't help when they are surrounded by pants-on-head retarded stuff like this:
Not to mention that young women are seeing these creeps fetishistizing their experiences and thinking "If I'm not thrilled about this - as these people claim they would be - then I must be trans."
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Meh, I think it's the cultural normalization of porn, as in internet pornography.
These men/kids are so obsessed with the objects of their obsession that they literally WANT to become "porn chicks". Note how so many tr00ns parody the kinds of traits one sees in women depicted in porn.
Add also the flagrant propaganda campaigns social media platforms are pushing on children in particular-- grooming them into the idea that "transitioning is the key to happiness!"
Girls who are exposed to this stuff often DON'T want to wind up being the women they see depicted in porn, so a portion of them decide "I don't want to be like those girls, so I must be trans!"
These men/kids are so obsessed with the objects of their obsession that they literally WANT to become "porn chicks". Note how so many tr00ns parody the kinds of traits one sees in women depicted in porn.
Add also the flagrant propaganda campaigns social media platforms are pushing on children in particular-- grooming them into the idea that "transitioning is the key to happiness!"
Girls who are exposed to this stuff often DON'T want to wind up being the women they see depicted in porn, so a portion of them decide "I don't want to be like those girls, so I must be trans!"
It's that no one is allowed to tell them to fuck off and leave children alone. Plain and simple.
Sriracha
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I think trans is just a fetish that people are trying to legitimise. I can understand why people associate it with body positivity, because fat chicks and trannies want to be accepted by the public as a whole, but other than that I don't see how the two movements overlap.
I think that it's normal to go through dysmorphia when you're a teenager because the changes you experience happen so fast. I feel as though when you're a teenager, you become a lot more conscious of how your outward appearance leaves an impression on others which is why teenagers go through trends like emo, goth, etc. You also have no real idea of who you are, what you stand for and what you even really want out of life and you're expected to figure out an identity for yourself to connect with and be recognised by others.
Another thing is trannies don't have a realistic idea of what they will look like when they transition, they only see the best possible outome. They think that if they could become a woman, they would be treated with sympathy, get a lot of positive attention and be attractive/their sexualised idea of themselves. It's pretty much the same for FtM as well, it's just a fetishised idea of the role reversal.
I don't understand the whole 'love yourself' part of body positivity. Everybody hates parts of themselves. If you only have things you love about yourself, there is no value in trying to be better.
I think that it's normal to go through dysmorphia when you're a teenager because the changes you experience happen so fast. I feel as though when you're a teenager, you become a lot more conscious of how your outward appearance leaves an impression on others which is why teenagers go through trends like emo, goth, etc. You also have no real idea of who you are, what you stand for and what you even really want out of life and you're expected to figure out an identity for yourself to connect with and be recognised by others.
Another thing is trannies don't have a realistic idea of what they will look like when they transition, they only see the best possible outome. They think that if they could become a woman, they would be treated with sympathy, get a lot of positive attention and be attractive/their sexualised idea of themselves. It's pretty much the same for FtM as well, it's just a fetishised idea of the role reversal.
I don't understand the whole 'love yourself' part of body positivity. Everybody hates parts of themselves. If you only have things you love about yourself, there is no value in trying to be better.
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Body Positivity should be redirected back to making fat people feel good about taking care of themselves rather than ashamed for trying. Ex. When fit bros and fit gals defend and stand up fo chubby person at the gym from another fit person mocking them and teach them the ropes without making them feel excluded, that's body positive. Just telling someone being fat and a slob is awesome is not positive at all, is just condescending.
Same with letting people know that stuff they can't change and were born with is ok, like, it doesn't matter if you don't have the genes of a super model , if you are not tall enough or have a bigger nose or whatevr skin color, you can still be pretty your own way and have some dignity and self esteem . If we take that as body positive then it would be contradictory to what trans people are looking for since, you could, you know, be comfortable in the body you already have instead of feeling you need surgery and massive ammounts of cosmetic to change it. But body positive instead is just telling non passing people they are beautiful honey bunches, which again, is just condescending and infantilizing bullshit no thinking adult should fall for, and many don't , that i take it contributes to the depression and suicide statistic. Even an autismo would probably get sick of people acting condescending to them and lying, there's nothing positive about that.
Same with letting people know that stuff they can't change and were born with is ok, like, it doesn't matter if you don't have the genes of a super model , if you are not tall enough or have a bigger nose or whatevr skin color, you can still be pretty your own way and have some dignity and self esteem . If we take that as body positive then it would be contradictory to what trans people are looking for since, you could, you know, be comfortable in the body you already have instead of feeling you need surgery and massive ammounts of cosmetic to change it. But body positive instead is just telling non passing people they are beautiful honey bunches, which again, is just condescending and infantilizing bullshit no thinking adult should fall for, and many don't , that i take it contributes to the depression and suicide statistic. Even an autismo would probably get sick of people acting condescending to them and lying, there's nothing positive about that.
maybe, just maybe, middle to upper class white people from the angloesphere are just more likely to be delusional, entitled fags and just so happens that bubble is more likely to tolerate the already pulsating proclivities from posh white people rather than enforcing it on them.
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Here's a typical "body positive" troon. All smiles. Is totally not going to join the 41% club any day now.
"Am I unattractive? No, it is the world that is wrong. I wasn't given the tits I should've, so that is why my life now retrospectively makes sense as being abysmal!" is usually the go-to.
I was also an awkward middle schooler who didn’t want to perform femininity and thought I was non binary for a bit and then I found some truly awful radfem blogs and grew out of it (for the record I later grew out of the truly awful radfem phase too).
The socially liberal parents thing comes into play because your mom is probably not forcing femininity onto you. I hear about other women saying their mothers forced them to wear makeup or tweeze their eyebrows or whatever, and I can’t relate at all. So if you’re a awkward teenage girl you look at the other girls who are suddenly super feminine and you think they all love being girly and you don’t realize that it’s not a choice for all of them.
And a general idea that woman = hyperfemme.
The socially liberal parents thing comes into play because your mom is probably not forcing femininity onto you. I hear about other women saying their mothers forced them to wear makeup or tweeze their eyebrows or whatever, and I can’t relate at all. So if you’re a awkward teenage girl you look at the other girls who are suddenly super feminine and you think they all love being girly and you don’t realize that it’s not a choice for all of them.
And a general idea that woman = hyperfemme.
Several years ago I came across the idea/concept of a ‘social disease’, and at the time I thought it was just right wing bullshit.
Now that I’m older and a bit more cynical, I’ve come to realise that they may be onto something after all.
a (trans) friend of mine once said that he'd rather be an ugly man over the hottest woman in the world. he has legitimate gender dysphoria (the thing that makes you trans, except not according to schizos on twitter), which is something many of these teens seem to lack. so does body positivity contribute to people who are actually trans? no. but does body positivity encourage transtrenders and teen girls who would otherwise just hate themselves for being ugly/having body dysmorphia? yes.
the issue of young MTFs who end up thinking they're trans from projecting onto anime girls too much is another issue entirely, but that would probably be the closest equivalent of this for them.
the issue of young MTFs who end up thinking they're trans from projecting onto anime girls too much is another issue entirely, but that would probably be the closest equivalent of this for them.
No.
i like to be positive about bodies we all need positivity in our lives
Someone made a comment on the Jazz Jennings thread that I thought would fit well here:
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jaron-seth-bloshinsky-jazz-jennings-i-am-jazz.52472/post-8384765
I thought the point about how trooning out leading to side effects such as obesity was interesting. It would explain the overlap between TRA and HAES.
Also many troons seem to have eating disorders as well, although I’m not sure of the type. I assumed it was more bulimia/anorexia to make oneself appear androgynous, however I suppose that kind of look could be achieved by piling on the weight.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jaron-seth-bloshinsky-jazz-jennings-i-am-jazz.52472/post-8384765
I thought the point about how trooning out leading to side effects such as obesity was interesting. It would explain the overlap between TRA and HAES.
Also many troons seem to have eating disorders as well, although I’m not sure of the type. I assumed it was more bulimia/anorexia to make oneself appear androgynous, however I suppose that kind of look could be achieved by piling on the weight.
Thank you Estrogen
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Not being able to criticise people based on their lifestyle choices ( being fat, having a personal flaw you can easily fix like hairstyle or facial hair ect) can definetly lead to some people going down a downward spiral of delusional self image and gender issues. This is especialy true during childhood when without listeting to positive criticism and learing to better themselves, kids latch on to the teachings of these faceless internet influencers telling them they are just great the way they are, they shouldnt listen to their parents because they are cis-conservative scum of the earth. Also teens want to be different than the rest so they fixate themselves on these labels like pan demi sexuals or whatever. Discipline and positive criticism goes a long way to fostering self love and encourages young adults to better themselves both physicaly and mentaly. All this virtue signaling and online coddling is just dangerous to a young persons mind.
The encouragement of troonism, so feverously advocated by today's social dregs, would only accelerate the erosion of a healthy society, until it's nothing more than a bunch of sterile squabbling narcissistic frankensteins stewing in their own internet fiefdoms to wage character assassinations among each other, before ultimately commiting instant kayan neck procedure.
(Most) People should accept the fact that they are neither perfect nor grotesque. Don't be ashamed of who you are but don't fucking flaunt around like you're hot shit. Work with what you're given at birth and make the most of what you're provided with by your environment.
(Most) People should accept the fact that they are neither perfect nor grotesque. Don't be ashamed of who you are but don't fucking flaunt around like you're hot shit. Work with what you're given at birth and make the most of what you're provided with by your environment.
personally I don't think so
here's a history lesson tho from what i've calculated so far on this whole surge of people
it's more to do with /r9k/'s trap aesthetic which led to those people trooning out because lol wanna be cute anime girl (initially kicking off in 2015)
then that crossed over with discord and reddit culture, ultimately ending up on tumblr (sometime 2017)
then discord became more mainstream and when tumblr users flocked to twitter after the porn ban on tumblr, they collided with discord users (late 2017 to late 2018 )
tiktok then found out about it and made it completely mainstream (early 2019)
bam
not often can we say 4chan truly did bad influence here but it did for once, probably unintentionally :/
also fix the smiley parser, it treats 2018 with a bracket after as 201
Fat "people" are like half-troons anyway. All the disgusting shit they eat is full of xenoestrogenes, and their own adipose tissue aromatizes testosterone to estrogene, while inhibiting the conversion of testosterone to DHT (highly androgenic form of testosterone responsible for secondary sex characteristics in men, including mental masculinity). The lifestyle and diet of fat "men" is a form of HRT
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