Imagine being a teenage girl browsing art only to stumble upon White Kitten's gallery and then growing up 10 years later only to see men in dresses tweeting about lesbians and girldick.
Is "body positivity" contributing to the trans trend? -
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I feel like the cultural inclination to only allow happy feelings, even in times of grief/discomfort, piles onto this. You can't be unhappy with changes, you can't grieve, you can't make others uncomfortable or lash out or have any ugly/hard-to-deal-with emotions. You have to love yourself and be blissfully thrilled out of your little pea brain all the time or something is Wrong and Needs To Be Fixed NOW!
But you can't always feel happy, and you shouldn't try to. It's not natural. This idea you should only ever feel happy leads people down all kinds of bad paths (bad relationship choices, bad habits, addictions,) it's no wonder it leads some kids to troon out.
But you can't always feel happy, and you shouldn't try to. It's not natural. This idea you should only ever feel happy leads people down all kinds of bad paths (bad relationship choices, bad habits, addictions,) it's no wonder it leads some kids to troon out.
Body positivity is contributing to the trans trend largely because it's now verboten to point at a man with bitch tits and a gaping wound between his legs and say 'ew that's fucked up'', or to point out that most trans men look like they have the benjamin button disease and resemble scraggle bearded, wizened 13 year olds with saggy dog-ear chests and pot bellies. This notion of acceptance or else has roots in the LGBT movements of the 20th century, however back then it wasn't about 'accept my leather-chapped asshole in your face' and more 'let me do what I want in private and don't fire me for being gay'.
You have to be nice about everyone's body now, which is a shame because one of the best ways of putting someone off doing some stupid shit is to show them a horrifying picture of some poor disfigured bastard who already did it and say 'this is what will happen'. (Did anyone else at school get told by a teacher not to swing on their chair, because they'd once had a student who split their head open doing it?) Trans people who aren't relentlessly positive about the ~magical trans experience~ get slapped by the trans community for daring to imply that being trans isn't all sunshine and lollipops. You're literally not allowed to say that it's shitty and uncomfortable and difficult, or that you ever have doubts about what you did which is absolutely ridiculous, because people have regrets and doubts about everything they do, it's impossible to never wake up and think 'man, it sure would be better if I had paid more attention in school/had a better job/was single/was thinner'. That's normal, it's healthy. Never questioning your decisions or accepting criticism on your choices is unhealthy.
Somewhere along the line body positivity shifted from 'you're fat and that's okay, here's how to stay healthy without falling into destructive behaviours' to 'your body is perfect and so is everyone else's, and if you dare to 'concern troll' or try to change yourself then you're a hater and an asshole and a sheep'. It's the same with trans: in the past there was definitely a message of 'think very hard about transitioning, because there's a good chance that you won't pass and that will just make you more unhappy', but now you can barely put any effort into transition at all and the impetus is no longer on you to sort your shit out and work to pass, but on the world around you to change in order to accomodate you. Body positivity has essentially shifted from 'I love myself' to 'You must love me'.
Just look at pride parades and gay media- it's all so obnoxious and in your face, 'if you don't like it, you're a bigot!' but so many people don't like it, and they'll like it even less if you call them names for not wanting to see your bare ass in a leather thong with nipple piercings and a dildo strapped to your forehead. Empathy goes both ways, and the body positivity movement which has always been at its core a little selfish (and that's fine- it's fine to care about yourself) is now wholly self absorbed. If someone disagrees with you or dislikes you, you don't have to speculate on why or think about how your actions are making them feel, you can just dismiss them because they're not being positive.
I think this is part of a shift from a pro-society culture to a pro-individual one. In the past you were encouraged to be healthy and fit because it was good for society and you would be a strong worker and produce healthy babies. You are, after all, just one of many who live in your country, and you must all work for the common good. Body positivity in its original form accomodates this, because the focus was on health and happiness. Now, I believe, society is shiting to pro-individuality. There is no common good to work for, there is no country which we must all love and support and produce healthy babies for. Who cares if you're fat and have a gaping hole where your dick should be, it's not their problem. Ironically, you're relying on the good will of the public and the support of the state, but putting absolutely nothing back in except maybe taxes if you actually have a job (unlikely if you're fat and am-holed).
There is no common good now. Look at gatherings of Antifa or Alt-Right dudes or BLM- full of fatasses and trannies and dumbasses and degenerates who heft a painted baseball bat that they can't swing or a ridiculous gun that they have never used to shoot anything bigger than coke cans. There's no responsibility to stay healthy for the good of the movement, because according to the new church of Body Positivity you don't owe your body or your health to anything. There's no accountability, no responsibility, the body has become a temple to the ego.
You have to be nice about everyone's body now, which is a shame because one of the best ways of putting someone off doing some stupid shit is to show them a horrifying picture of some poor disfigured bastard who already did it and say 'this is what will happen'. (Did anyone else at school get told by a teacher not to swing on their chair, because they'd once had a student who split their head open doing it?) Trans people who aren't relentlessly positive about the ~magical trans experience~ get slapped by the trans community for daring to imply that being trans isn't all sunshine and lollipops. You're literally not allowed to say that it's shitty and uncomfortable and difficult, or that you ever have doubts about what you did which is absolutely ridiculous, because people have regrets and doubts about everything they do, it's impossible to never wake up and think 'man, it sure would be better if I had paid more attention in school/had a better job/was single/was thinner'. That's normal, it's healthy. Never questioning your decisions or accepting criticism on your choices is unhealthy.
Somewhere along the line body positivity shifted from 'you're fat and that's okay, here's how to stay healthy without falling into destructive behaviours' to 'your body is perfect and so is everyone else's, and if you dare to 'concern troll' or try to change yourself then you're a hater and an asshole and a sheep'. It's the same with trans: in the past there was definitely a message of 'think very hard about transitioning, because there's a good chance that you won't pass and that will just make you more unhappy', but now you can barely put any effort into transition at all and the impetus is no longer on you to sort your shit out and work to pass, but on the world around you to change in order to accomodate you. Body positivity has essentially shifted from 'I love myself' to 'You must love me'.
Just look at pride parades and gay media- it's all so obnoxious and in your face, 'if you don't like it, you're a bigot!' but so many people don't like it, and they'll like it even less if you call them names for not wanting to see your bare ass in a leather thong with nipple piercings and a dildo strapped to your forehead. Empathy goes both ways, and the body positivity movement which has always been at its core a little selfish (and that's fine- it's fine to care about yourself) is now wholly self absorbed. If someone disagrees with you or dislikes you, you don't have to speculate on why or think about how your actions are making them feel, you can just dismiss them because they're not being positive.
I think this is part of a shift from a pro-society culture to a pro-individual one. In the past you were encouraged to be healthy and fit because it was good for society and you would be a strong worker and produce healthy babies. You are, after all, just one of many who live in your country, and you must all work for the common good. Body positivity in its original form accomodates this, because the focus was on health and happiness. Now, I believe, society is shiting to pro-individuality. There is no common good to work for, there is no country which we must all love and support and produce healthy babies for. Who cares if you're fat and have a gaping hole where your dick should be, it's not their problem. Ironically, you're relying on the good will of the public and the support of the state, but putting absolutely nothing back in except maybe taxes if you actually have a job (unlikely if you're fat and am-holed).
There is no common good now. Look at gatherings of Antifa or Alt-Right dudes or BLM- full of fatasses and trannies and dumbasses and degenerates who heft a painted baseball bat that they can't swing or a ridiculous gun that they have never used to shoot anything bigger than coke cans. There's no responsibility to stay healthy for the good of the movement, because according to the new church of Body Positivity you don't owe your body or your health to anything. There's no accountability, no responsibility, the body has become a temple to the ego.
Yes. Because it has blown the door off the hinges for women to feel like they MUST accept anyone who claims to be female. There's zero distance between "health at any size" and "trans women are women". Both are false, both are unsupported by medical fact, both are lies.
I just want to grill, for God’s sake!
Haramburger
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I don't think body positivity contributes to transtrending. In fact they both fit under the same Social Justice/Progressive umbrella of ideas, despite being completely at odds with one another. Which isn't unusual, considering they're flying in the face of established treatment of eating disorders for example. I've seen someone else mention "we don't tell anorexics to take diet pills to achieve their ideal body so why would we for trans?" and basically all the Social Justice/Progressive ideas are not in harmony with one another. Which is also not a problem for these people when they simply refuse to acknowledge ideas or problems that aren't theirs or handwave away things that disrupt their worldviews. Right now trannies are popular and one of the prevailing ideas, so it generally wins these arguments if two opposite ideas clash in a discussion. "Body positivity isn't the same as born in the wrong body" is probably all you'd get as a response, if any.
Frankly leftist progressives are just throwing any thing and everything at the wall to see what sticks, and they'll maybe sort out the logic of which ideas take priority/overrule others later(and later never comes). Trannies rule right now, fatties are kind of on their own but hanging in there and fighting for wall space. It would be time better spent walking than typing on the internet about how fat is beautiful.
Frankly leftist progressives are just throwing any thing and everything at the wall to see what sticks, and they'll maybe sort out the logic of which ideas take priority/overrule others later(and later never comes). Trannies rule right now, fatties are kind of on their own but hanging in there and fighting for wall space. It would be time better spent walking than typing on the internet about how fat is beautiful.
The modern day trans movement is an ingenious way for incels to work their way into the woke crowd where they get to have straight white male UMC privilege while still remaining a victim and getting asspats and social credit while partaking in their fetishes. They don’t actually care about other sjw agendas like body pos and would probably loathe the idea of being connected to a movement of unattractive cis women.
While I definitely agree with you that the objectification of women being at an all-time high in the era of internet porn and photoshopped models plays a big part in women trooning out, I’d argue the biggest factor is loneliness.
I think there are a lot of women who become trans to get away from sexualization, but I can still think of a lot of TiFs who sexualize themselves in an attempt to be more well liked. What I think is common with the majority of them, however, is the fact that most of them probably didn’t date in high school. Now, of course, this isn’t really a bad thing, but because of how much society pushes women into relationships, they feel ashamed that they haven’t had a love life yet. So they troon out as a way to gravitate towards gay men who otherwise would have no time for them.
I probably sound like a crazy person here but I do think the influx of gay relationships in media today plays a big part in women thinking they’d have a more successful love life if they became men, which leads to trooning out.
smegmaenthusiast
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Body positivity has really been helped by creeps and fetishists who don't have anything better to do with their lives than fantasize about a giant dickgirl crushing them. NAAFP, the "National Association for the Advancement of Fat People", is massively populated with "fat admirers" and the like who just want some of that lady gunt. The toxic positivity culture has also made us unable to critcize anybody. Everyone's equally attractive, okay?
Crybaby Xianghua
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What BoPo people don't know, is that conventionally unattractive women can be sexualized, objectified and fetishized too. It's not just a hot babe thing. In fact, I have been seeing a lot of ads for ugly lady porn and freakshow fetish sites.
In fact, I wonder if unattractive women are more easy to manipulate, groom and exploit, due to them having low self esteems and loneliness?
If it exists, there will be a kink for for it. Sadly enough. No exceptions.
In fact, I wonder if unattractive women are more easy to manipulate, groom and exploit, due to them having low self esteems and loneliness?
If it exists, there will be a kink for for it. Sadly enough. No exceptions.
I'm think these ideologies are highly intertwined with a larger movement to keep the masses confused. Along side we get a helping of hypocrisy where we can't "deny science". But must accept these ideas as fact even though we've had contrary information we stood by for years.
The basic science of genetics states xx, xy, rarely a different combination, sometimes a mutation. Gender dysphoria as listed in the dsm5 doesnt apply to the mass influx of people choosing their gender. The science of health has stated for years that being over or underweight is a health issue, not an external appearance issue. But body possitivity or choosing your gender suddenly stand outside of science. If you speak against it, your wrong or hateful, therefore perpetuating the trend because of social pressure.
The basic science of genetics states xx, xy, rarely a different combination, sometimes a mutation. Gender dysphoria as listed in the dsm5 doesnt apply to the mass influx of people choosing their gender. The science of health has stated for years that being over or underweight is a health issue, not an external appearance issue. But body possitivity or choosing your gender suddenly stand outside of science. If you speak against it, your wrong or hateful, therefore perpetuating the trend because of social pressure.
Indeed there is no thing or act so repulsive that there isn't a large number of people (in the absolute sense) who can only have an orgasm while using/doing it.
Shrugcarpet
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I know far too many autistic people who say they are non-binary or trans. What specialist therapy is there about for autistic people with gender issues? Those who are autistic see and feel things different than those who are not on the spectrum and get obsessed more easily with certain topics. Of course they will end up in a rabbit hole and believe that they could be trans because someone on Twitter or Tumblr said so.
Guymera
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You don't have to be autistic to think that you experience things differently than others and that there's some group of "people just like you" out there that you either haven't found or haven't tried enough to fit into yet.
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cent...-interfering-health-care-transgender-childrenI'm think these ideologies are highly intertwined with a larger movement to keep the masses confused. Along side we get a helping of hypocrisy where we can't "deny science". But must accept these ideas as fact even though we've had contrary information we stood by for years.
The basic science of genetics states xx, xy, rarely a different combination, sometimes a mutation. Gender dysphoria as listed in the dsm5 doesnt apply to the mass influx of people choosing their gender. The science of health has stated for years that being over or underweight is a health issue, not an external appearance issue. But body possitivity or choosing your gender suddenly stand outside of science. If you speak against it, your wrong or hateful, therefore perpetuating the trend because of social pressure.
There is a notably high incidence of people with gender dysphoria to also be on the autism spectrum. Here's a literature review.:
Gender Dysphoria and Autism Spectrum Disorder: A Systematic Review of the Literature
There is a growing clinical recognition that a significant proportion of patients with gender dysphoria have concurrent autism spectrum disorder (ASD)…www.sciencedirect.com
Laboratory research has pretty well demonstrated that same sex attraction and transgender identities are genetically based and that there is far too much variation to label everybody male or female. Intersex people are no more rare than redheads and there are a lot more people who are transmasculine or transfeminine to some degree than you super straight mighty toxic white boys and girls would like to admit. Tom boys and girly guys have been around forever and transgender people appear in all cultures and time periods.
Long term clinical studies have demonstrated pretty conclusively that when a trans person is able to be themselves in a supportive environment, they thrive and the behavioral health comorbidities famously associated with gender dysphoria, most notably self harm and suicide, fall back into typical ranges. Gender dysphoria is a neurological condition, thought by some researchers to be an intersex variation of the brain, and the comorbidities have been found to arise from being forced into an unnatural gender role by their families, facing aggression from strangers in public and confronting institutionalized discrimination everywhere they go.
People are born with their gender identity and it needs to be understood that it is not dependent on the sex of the genitals, but the structure of the brain. . How one builds their gender expression is a cultural thing and that has gotten very confusing in the past twenty years. There only four basic genders; agender, bigender, cisgender and transgender. All these others are expressions that are a combination of identity and orientation. Geneticists have described 6 karyotypes; X, XX, XY, XXY, XYY and XXXY.
Dr. Anne Fausto Sterling describes five sexes as male, merm, herm, ferm and female .
What are you: male, merm, herm, ferm or female?
ARE THE CATEGORIES "man" and "woman" so obviously clear that they need no further explanation?
www.baltimoresun.com
https://www.joshuakennon.com/the-six-common-biological-sexes-in-humans/
Fuck off Tommy. No one wants to talk to you.https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cent...-interfering-health-care-transgender-children
People are born with their gender identity and it needs to be understood that it is not dependent on the sex of the genitals, but the structure of the brain. . How one builds their gender expression is a cultural thing and that has gotten very confusing in the past twenty years. There only four basic genders; agender, bigender, cisgender and transgender. All these others are expressions that are a combination of identity and orientation. Geneticists have described 6 karyotypes; X, XX, XY, XXY, XYY and XXXY.
Dr. Anne Fausto Sterling describes five sexes as male, merm, herm, ferm and female .
What are you: male, merm, herm, ferm or female?
ARE THE CATEGORIES "man" and "woman" so obviously clear that they need no further explanation?www.baltimoresun.com
https://www.joshuakennon.com/the-six-common-biological-sexes-in-humans/
Gender identity has multiple developmental theories and the most prominent one is a combination of nature and nurture, meaning influences in the environment play a huge factor. There are also three stages in which gender identity goes through before a child determines the identity, which primarily does fall Male or female. What you are saying is not what is being taught by academia. What you are stating is information from geneticists is incomplete. XX, XY, sometimes a mutation or a deletion. That's called a genetic disorder, not identity. No one disputes that neurological conditions that creates gender dysphoria exists. You are trying to tie your own compilation of ideas that are based on neither science, human development or psychology together with incomplete information and articles from poor sources. The cultural influence you state is part of nurture. There's countless evidence based studies that show gender identity typically falls within norms, meaning anything outside if it is abnormal. Unfortunately while genetics does acknowledge variations of the human genome those variations fall out of the norm. Still the genetic component is not how gender identity is formed. However, if you want support for your statement on genetic, the second phase of gender identity for children around age 4 is differentiating gender by means of genitalia, the normative being male/female.https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cent...-interfering-health-care-transgender-children
People are born with their gender identity and it needs to be understood that it is not dependent on the sex of the genitals, but the structure of the brain. . How one builds their gender expression is a cultural thing and that has gotten very confusing in the past twenty years. There only four basic genders; agender, bigender, cisgender and transgender. All these others are expressions that are a combination of identity and orientation. Geneticists have described 6 karyotypes; X, XX, XY, XXY, XYY and XXXY.
Dr. Anne Fausto Sterling describes five sexes as male, merm, herm, ferm and female .
What are you: male, merm, herm, ferm or female?
ARE THE CATEGORIES "man" and "woman" so obviously clear that they need no further explanation?www.baltimoresun.com
https://www.joshuakennon.com/the-six-common-biological-sexes-in-humans/
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