Is drawn child pornography (loli) bad? -

Is OP a pedophile?

  • yes

    Votes: 598 73.9%
  • no

    Votes: 132 16.3%
  • it should be regulated, not outright banned

    Votes: 79 9.8%

  • Total voters
    809

lolwut

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Why? Because the argument isn't going your way?
No, because faggots keeping necroing it to either defend their fucked up fetish on a website they shouldn't be admitting it on, or to go full a-log in a manner that can only be described as "Dr. Pizza-tier suspicious". Especially from accounts that jump straight into this thread an hour after signing up.

Neither side is ever going to convince the other. It is, and always was, a honeypot for newfags to embarrass themselves.
 

Secret Asshole

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I'm surprised this thread is still going as well. I'm just not going to keep repeating myself. But the US Supreme court doesn't see these drawings as Child Porn and told the UN to fuck off when they tried to restrict it. Take that as you will. But this will probably be my last post in this thread, as I feel my points have been made.
 

nukes

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Why spend 30 pages arguing about this, Are there a lot of nonces on kiwifarms?

I think that because there is no children directly hurt through people viewing and making it, it shouldn’t be considered a crime. I’d much rather they look at drawings than child porn where real children are tortured and viewing it profits the creators.

but It’s fucking annoying how people who get off to loli try and excuse their degeneracy by claiming it isn’t a child depicted in the drawings, but an adult. I don’t care if the drawing depicts a 1000 year old, if you are aroused by the drawn bodies of children then you are a pedophile.
 

#zzz

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People talk about how creepy loli is but have they seen ddlg shit? It's borderline CP and at points WAY more creepy.

I've just recently come across age roleplay stuff from Japan, and if you didn't know it was from a porn company you might have thought it was real. I do wonder though, if you had that sort of build as a woman, would that make you "untouchable"? Would no man want to be associated with you because of the perceived implications?

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Ozma (ZeTrannyJanny)

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I've just recently come across age roleplay stuff from Japan, and if you didn't know it was from a porn company you might have thought it was real. I do wonder though, if you had that sort of build as a woman, would that make you "untouchable"? Would no man want to be associated with you because of the perceived implications?

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Just to make this more creepy, I tried looking up a translation.
 

ExceptionallyExceptional

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What help exactly? There is no cure for pedophilia.
No cure that we know of. Who's to say a partial lobotomy wouldn't help? We've never tried it.


Show me a victim and I'll show you a crime.
Not all crimes have victims. Example: Jaywalking. Trespass can also be completely victimless. Both are still crimes.
 
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soft kitty

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No cure that we know of. Who's to say a partial lobotomy wouldn't help? We've never tried it.



Not all crimes have victims. Example: Jaywalking. Trespass can also be completely victimless. Both are still crimes.
Um no? Neither of those crimes are victimless. What if by jaywalking you cause a car to swerve and crash? Trespassing does have a victim: the owner of the property you're trespassing on. It may not be a very violent or egregious crime but there's still a victim involved.

Even if they are it doesn't matter because both of those are not harmful or 'real' crimes in the same, obvious way that say fucking kids are.
 

ExceptionallyExceptional

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Um no? Neither of those crimes are victimless. What if by jaywalking you cause a car to swerve and crash? Trespassing does have a victim: the owner of the property you're trespassing on. It may not be a very violent or egregious crime but there's still a victim involved.

Even if they are it doesn't matter because both of those are not harmful or 'real' crimes in the same, obvious way that say fucking kids are.
Jaywalking can be enforced even if you're crossing an empty street at 3am and there is no risk of any traffic disruption. And tresspassing can occur on property that is marked as public, an example being any sort of park. Public intoxication when not operating a vehicle is another victimless crime they'll still arrest you for. Pulbic obscenity as well, nobody is actually harmed by me yelling out cursewords in public, but the cops are still likely to at least issue a citation.
 

NyQuilninja

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I'm surprised this thread is still going as well. I'm just not going to keep repeating myself. But the US Supreme court doesn't see these drawings as Child Porn and told the UN to fuck off when they tried to restrict it. Take that as you will. But this will probably be my last post in this thread, as I feel my points have been made.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1466A
(a)In General.—Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depictionof any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—
(1)
(A)
depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B)
is obscene; or
(2)
(A)
depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B)
lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;
or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(1), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.
(b)Additional Offenses.—Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting,
Lolicon is illegal
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2006/march/obscenity_031006
 

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https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1466A
(a)In General.—Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depictionof any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—
(1)
(A)
depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B)
is obscene; or
(2)
(A)
depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B)
lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;
or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(1), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.
(b)Additional Offenses.—Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting,
Lolicon is illegal
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2006/march/obscenity_031006

Obscenity ≠ Child Pornography

Also lol at defending obscenity law.

The case you are referencing is tired, old and has nothing to do with this.

1) He was already a pedophile
2) He violated his probation
3) He used federal computers to access obscene material, not from his home

I'm not going over the tired dog of obscenity vs. child porn. The laws are leagues apart and carry different penalties and implications. Under obscenity, porn is illegal and people have been prosecuted under obscenity for consensual adult pornography. It is not and does not have anything to do with child pornography or child exploitation. These are guidelines for children under obscenity, not under child porn. Child pornography law, by design, was to separate it out from the very subjective obscenity rules to more objective rules to protect children. It might be obscene, but it is not child pornography.

I've written leagues about it and I'm tired of rehashing it. You're wrong and late to the party.
 

Slap47

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It's amazing that obscenity laws are still on the books and not considered unconstituional. The framers of the constitution were definitely fine with them but they're just ripe for abuse.

Lolicon is definitely obscene according to most people but one must wonder if that should justify government intervention. I've always understood these laws to refer to public displays so I doubt these laws really apply.
 

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It's amazing that obscenity laws are still on the books and not considered unconstituional. The framers of the constitution were definitely fine with them but they're just ripe for abuse.

Lolicon is definitely obscene according to most people but one must wonder if that should justify government intervention. I've always understood these laws to refer to public displays so I doubt these laws really apply.

It's because prosecutors are deathly afraid of going after confident people who will fight obscenity tooth and nail.

Who they typically go after over obscenity are vulnerable people without the means to properly defend themselves or really hardcore porn in the midwest to where it's to their advantage.

There was a guy prosecuted under obscenity for importing loli manga from Japan. He had a really shitty public defender who told him to plead guilty when it was obvious that the prosecution was full of shit. These are the types of people obscenity laws hit.

Typically you have prosecutors going after weak people for easy wins to further their career. There was a case of a prosecutor going after a woman who wrote explicit child abuse stories. Fake stories and charged for them on the internet. She had like 5 members. Thing was, she was extremely abused as a child and the stories served as an outlet for her.

The abuse she suffered lead to extreme agoraphobia. The case was a clear first amendment violation. The reason why she lost was because her condition was so extreme her attorneys could not get her out of the house. So she lost by default.

Her punishment? House arrest.

So if you think prosecutors are good guys in this, you are dead fucking wrong. Prosecutors are the scum of the earth.
 

CheezzyMach

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It's because prosecutors are deathly afraid of going after confident people who will fight obscenity tooth and nail.

Who they typically go after over obscenity are vulnerable people without the means to properly defend themselves or really hardcore porn in the midwest to where it's to their advantage.

There was a guy prosecuted under obscenity for importing loli manga from Japan. He had a really shitty public defender who told him to plead guilty when it was obvious that the prosecution was full of shit. These are the types of people obscenity laws hit.

Typically you have prosecutors going after weak people for easy wins to further their career. There was a case of a prosecutor going after a woman who wrote explicit child abuse stories. Fake stories and charged for them on the internet. She had like 5 members. Thing was, she was extremely abused as a child and the stories served as an outlet for her.

The abuse she suffered lead to extreme agoraphobia. The case was a clear first amendment violation. The reason why she lost was because her condition was so extreme her attorneys could not get her out of the house. So she lost by default.

Her punishment? House arrest.

So if you think prosecutors are good guys in this, you are dead fucking wrong. Prosecutors are the scum of the earth.
Ironically everyone seems to agree after all lawyers are typically depicted as scum in media and lawyers going to hell is an easy punchline.
 

Sicklick

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First of all, if you're a pedophile, you should be sterilized, but at the same time that's probably never going to happen anyways. But onto the topic, I think real child porn is indefensible and there's not a single convincing argument that I've seen from pedos to the contrary. But on the other hand, who honestly gives a fuck what fictional characters do? Just because some spergs might go out and molest children because they saw some doujinshi doesn't mean we should ban the entire art form. To the contrary, you can legally watch movies such as August Underground's Mordum, Nekromantik, A Serbian Film, Melancholie Der Engel, Salo, Saw, etc. And none of those films have any artistic merit whatsoever but yet they're still legal. On the other hand, manga such as Kodomo no Jikan gets it's release canceled in America and Demon Beast Invasion: The Fallen gets deemed "obscene" and outlawed. In 2004 you had the arrest of Dwight Whorley which lead to the PROTECT Act and in 2006 you had the arrest of Christopher Handley, again over anime. Does this make sense to anyone else?
 

Sondermemehandlung

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I haven't read the entire thread, just the first 11 pages but there are interesting points nobody seems to have brought up : first of all, if lolicon is illegal then who draws the line ? I think pedos are sick, those who fap to anime girls that look 6 years old are sick, but I don't want people ending up in jail (for pedo stuff, so with the social stigma that goes along with it) because some boomer judge decided this drawing of Asuka looked too young. This could definitely be used in Europe to add to the charges of people convicted for wrongspeech for example, and destroy them, and I don't think it's right.

And no, it's not the same as for actual CP because rule for CP is clear : no minors. Here, where Asuka is 14 in the anime but looks mature yet Konata is 18 and looks like she's in elementary school, it will cause all sorts of problems.

My opinion on loli or shota is that it should be legal unless it's representing a real child (like Shadman did several times), there should simply be law enforcement officers putting those who consume it regularily on a watchlist. And check if these guys do not go for the hard stuff, or don't work in schools etc. have a background check done. Also if we make it illegal pedos will probably be more careful about OPSEC.

Of course if studies definitely show that it turns people pedo or that it massively influences pedos to rape children then it should be banned. But I haven't seen any evidence for that and I think many people just chimp out about loli stuff because pedos are the last degenerates you can call for the death of. Well, maybe not for long unfortunately now that Netflix promotes shows like Cuties.
 

Purin Chan

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Meh, I mean if you're past the age of like 25 and masturbate to loli on a near daily basis then it ain't anyone's fault but your own if you get called a creep or a pedo.
Making it an jailable offense however is the biggest reason why I think it should stay legal; resources dedicated to stopping your local basement dwelling neckbeard are resources that are NOT being used to help and prevent actual instances of abuse coughcoughCutiescoughcough.
 

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz

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there should simply be law enforcement officers putting those who consume it regularily on a watchlist. And check if these guys do not go for the hard stuff, or don't work in schools etc. have a background check done.

I would say even doing that is going too far, and would even be unenforceable. How in the world would you even be able to tell who was consuming it regularly? Most people don't go around proclaiming their love of Loli or shota, so there would be no way to tell that without violating people's right to privacy. Also, if there is no proven connection between actual pedophilia and loli/shota, then there is no real justification for monitoring those who consume the latter.
 

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