Is drawn child pornography (loli) bad? -

Is OP a pedophile?

  • yes

    Votes: 598 73.9%
  • no

    Votes: 132 16.3%
  • it should be regulated, not outright banned

    Votes: 79 9.8%

  • Total voters
    809

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz

Still Pimpin
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Well, I'm just saying that websites that focus on loli or shota are obviously going to attract pedophiles, so you just watch who goes there and how often. You're right about privacy, but come on, if I visited Stormfront or The Daily Stormer or an Islamist website every day there would be cops putting me on a watchlist, so if we're doing it for political extremism, why not for pedophiles ? Unless there are no watchlists at all and the NSA/MI6/etc. are just sitting on a pile of useless data. Which may be the case, lol.

Nobody in the U.S. at least would put on a watch list just from visiting an edge lord site like The Daily Stormer. The police have much better things to do than worry about who reads a shitty site like that. That type of data would be useless since you would just be watching who was coming and going from a site, with no indication that any of them were a threat to society. Law enforcement are looking for people who are active threats, like people who go overseas to countries that are active hotbeds of terrorism and openly support terrorist activities. They don't have the time nor the resources to monitor the every extremist site on the internet for no reason.
 

janedoe

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you should certainly feel bad and ashamed about liking it.
i think it'd be hypocritical to say it should be illegal, since no one gets hurt in loli/shota hentai. so i won't go that far.
but anyone who openly brags about jerking off to loli or gets defensive over people talking negatively about it deserves to be publicly mocked, bullied and shamed. no mercy.
curb this wave of weebs getting bold about their disgusting fap fodder since they found like-minded degenerates on the internet, please. they're insufferable. especially on twitter.
 

Terrorist

Osama bin Ladkin
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“Is child pornography bad?” isn’t a question that needs 34 pages of debate IMO. I mean jesus fucking christ guys how can the answer be anything other than “Yes”?
 
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Schway

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I don't think it should be illegal and I don't think people who jack off to it are the equivalent or similar to people who do to actual child porn, the same way I don't think people who jack off to hentai with rape in it are similar to people who jack off to videos of actual rape.

It's a fetish and the only reason it bumps up such a controversy is that we're permissive of so much degeneracy nowadays(most of it with much more real consequences) that weird stuff like this is the only thing you can dunk with pretty much no real push back. The fact that there's more institutional power and effort put into protecting something like cuties than this is all you need to see that something has seriously gone wrong.

That being said it's such a touchy issue and speaking publicly in defense of it on any platform where you are not 100% anonymous is retarded, which is why most people doing so are idiots.
 

Unyielding Stupidity

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
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Anyone who openly talks about liking or watching loli/shota is 100% a person that shouldn't be trusted anywhere near children, so it's bad in the sense that if you specifically consume said content, you're definitely a potential pedophile.

The issue is determining what is and what isn't loli/shota. If I drew two stick figures shagging on a sheet of paper, and then claimed one stick figure is 15, does that sheet of paper now go from a harmless scribble to loli/shota? Naturally, since a drawing doesn't have a legally definable age (Unless it's a drawing of a real-life person, which if the person is underage, is already illegal in the United States), the only thing you have to go off is how the drawing looks, and a lot of that is subjective. Some people will argue that characters drawn with no breasts or small breasts qualifies it as loli, others would say that shorter characters are 100% loli/shota, others still would try to argue that literally any piece of hentai is loli/shota because hentai in general makes them insecure. I mean, just look at twitter users trying to argue that every single generic anime girl that Japan shits out is somehow pedobait.
Plus, even if you do decide to make it illegal, how do you effectively enforce such a law? You'd need people manually reviewing content to determine what is and isn't illegal, and being forced to sift through thousands of degenerate fetish hentai doujins to try and pick out anything illegal isn't a job I'd wish on my worst enemy. And this still doesn't resolve the issue of personal bias leading to people letting illegal content slip through the cracks or banning perfectly legal content because of their own opinions or fetishes. Not to mention the fact that this would most likely take resources away from federal branches that could be better used working to stop much more serious or abhorrent crimes.

Again, none of this changes the fact that anyone that openly identifies as a lolicon/shotacon or consumes such content is probably a pedophile that should be kept away from children.
 

5ever a crab

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At most it should be a norm where the community checks itself and makes sure lolifags don't get in contact with other children.

I can't help but look at countries (Canada and UK) that do ban lolishit and see it as a dystopian hellhole where anime is banned but filming/distributing irl CP like 'Cuties' is ay-okay. There is literally a fat motherfucker in Canada who can just wear a dress, creep on kids, and call his accusers "bigots and nazis who hate muh LGBTBBQ++" and get away with everything. It was banned in the early 2000's only to unban it 5 years later because congress realized it didn't really do anything to lower the offence rate (and it wasted time).

Or ban kids from using the interwebs because they're responsible for making youtube unfun.
 

Pizza Time

You serious?
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At most it should be a norm where the community checks itself and makes sure lolifags don't get in contact with other children.

I can't help but look at countries (Canada and UK) that do ban lolishit and see it as a dystopian hellhole where anime is banned but filming/distributing irl CP like 'Cuties' is ay-okay. There is literally a fat motherfucker in Canada who can just wear a dress, creep on kids, and call his accusers "bigots and nazis who hate muh LGBTBBQ++" and get away with everything. It was banned in the early 2000's only to unban it 5 years later because congress realized it didn't really do anything to lower the offence rate (and it wasted time).

Or ban kids from using the interwebs because they're responsible for making youtube unfun.
From what I've seen from at least one side of the lolicon community on twitter, they immediately out anyone who they suspect might be a genuine pedophile. It was either Jimpregnation or Sleepy Lu who got approached in DMs by some guy asking if he was into "real loli" and the dude's likes were full of pictures of little girls modelling swimsuits and stuff. As a result, whichever twitter user it was that had gotten the DMs outed the pedophile and got his followers to mass report him and all the account that were posting the pictures of little girls.

Obviously there's an overlap between pedophiles and people who jerk off to cartoon children, but the people jacking off to fiction want nothing to do with people who want to fuck actual children.
 

Hollywood Hulk Hogan

nWo 4 LyFe
True & Honest Fan
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I think spanking it to anime or drawings is stupid, no matter if it's of a child or adult.

That being said, if someone is genuinely a pedo and spanking it to drawings keeps them from harming a child, then I don't see the harm.

Drawings shouldn't be illegal and I don't know how you'd even enforce it since it's a drawing and thus from someone's imagination. Maybe it wasn't a child in the drawing but they just suck at drawing? Or maybe it's not a human but some weird humanoid race that looks young? There'd be a ton of defenses for it
 

kuniqsX

my pronouns are go / fuck / yourself
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Lolicon is bad for the same reasons real CP is bad.

It's very easy to destroy someone if you're in a position of power: "find" some CP in your private stash, hand it over to a hacker and pay him to plant it on someone you want to publictly disappear forever.

It's also a very easy way to keep dirt on everyone who might be a threat: tell them they either do what you want or you'll leak their receipts from Epstein's.

When drawings of sexualized anime children are illegal, they can be used in the same dystopian way.

Ergo: I think it's a bad idea to equate drawings with actual CP in legal context.
 

Vingle

I'm Kaito Momota, Luminary of the Stars! 百田 解斗
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Comparing loli and shota to real CP is retarded. I like porn, but I don't get it going from Hentai exactly. It's like saying violent games make you violent.
And if pedos happens to be getting off to it, I rather want them to get off to that instead of hurting real kids
 

Cool Dog

A goodboi denied his Wendy's
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I dont like it but I rather see would-be pedos fapping to this than to actual CP or abusing kids

I remember reading that when porn was finally made legal in japan rape incidents plummeted. Consider how common loli hentai is in japan and yet their child rape numbers are lower than in western countries

So we might not like this stuff but if it keeps real kids from being diddled then we might as well allow it
 

NyQuilninja

drink me
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I dont like it but I rather see would-be pedos fapping to this than to actual CP or abusing kids

I remember reading that when porn was finally made legal in japan rape incidents plummeted. Consider how common loli hentai is in japan and yet their child rape numbers are lower than in western countries

So we might not like this stuff but if it keeps real kids from being diddled then we might as well allow it
Does it though?
 

Cool Dog

A goodboi denied his Wendy's
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Does it though?
Its too big of a coincidence that japan has a huge rape problem until porn was made legal and then it saw a huge drop. Loli hentai is also legal and their kid rape cases are also low as hell, what else could it be?
 

NyQuilninja

drink me
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Its too big of a coincidence that japan has a huge rape problem until porn was made legal and then it saw a huge drop. Loli hentai is also legal and their kid rape cases are also low as hell, what else could it be?
Japan is whole different world compared to the western world. Their culture values manners and customs are vastly different. Japan is obsessed with cleanliness politeness and is a ethnically homogenous country. If somebody finds out that you're a rapist in Japan you're done for. The shame of it alone is enough to make you want to kill yourself in many cases. Not so in places like the United states. I'm not debating on whether or not it should be legal. What I am saying is it's pedophilia even if its not real children used in the making of it. Lolicon is a Visual representation of children in sexual in sexual situations. And only pedophiles would be sexually aroused to it
 

Cool Dog

A goodboi denied his Wendy's
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Japan is whole different world compared to the western world. Their culture values manners and customs are vastly different. Japan is obsessed with cleanliness politeness and is a ethnically homogenous country. If somebody finds out that you're a rapist in Japan you're done for. The shame of it alone is enough to make you want to kill yourself in many cases. Not so in places like the United states. I'm not debating on whether or not it should be legal. What I am saying is it's pedophilia even if its not real children used in the making of it. Lolicon is a Visual representation of children in sexual in sexual situations. And only pedophiles would be sexually aroused to it
The cultural aspect dont explain why rape was so high in japan before, specially when it used to be a far more traditional country back then, how does your argument fits into this?. And are NPCs in games people? because a lot of lefties been saying that and thus killing them in games is like killing IRL people. I dont watch any loli hentai but what I seen dont look like real children, the girls even had big tits, where have you seen a 11yo girl with D-cups? whoever jacks off to that seems to like big tiddy midgets more than real kids, but whatever if loli hentai is what makes japs not rape their kids then might as well make loli hentai legal worldwide
 

Mr. Skeltal

Bone Poet
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These images aren't "victimless" like loli/shota scyophants say. All of the artists responsible have to look at some kind of reference material. Somehow, someway it leads back to the exploitation of children or abuse of family photos. The Assigned Male artist's furry cub fetish art was a trace of an innocent family photo and other artists have used real CP as reference material before. Just because the depicted subject is fictional doesn't make the evil nature of the reference material any less exploitative and vile.

CP is monstrous and tarting it up with anime styling is akin to redecorating John Wayne Gacy's basement. That new lick of pain won't change the fact that just under the dirt floor there are dozens of rotting corpses.
 

Cool Dog

A goodboi denied his Wendy's
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Why would you be looking at loli porn?
I was on 4chan they post that shit all the time, dont even remember the names or anything only that the girls definitely didnt look like real underage girls, not with those big tatas

And again how does the culture aspect of japan works into your theory if they were so rapey before porn?
 

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