Is it unethical to go along with loved ones outrageous politics? -

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

For a long long time, I've been a somewhat conservative person surrounded by liberal people. So I have to pick my battles, and for the most part, I try to stay out of it.

In the past, it wasn't that big of a deal. It was political team playing, for the most part, and while people said foolish things, it was easy to brush off and move past.

But, I'd say the progressive SJW movement has gone from silly to an actual problem. They've seriously fucked up academia. There's actual, real race based riots happening that these people are fanning the flames of. And these people have been degrading me and people like me for too long.

What I'm wondering is, is the soft approach actually unethical? Should I respond to someone saying something about the evils of cultural appropriation with what I actually think, which is "That's fucking stupid and racist", instead of trying to softly disagree while mostly deflecting from the issue? Like the progressives like to say, not all issues have 2 sides.

I'm seeing this... intersectionalism? as becoming a rather serious problem. Everyone's in competition over most victim points. There's a bunch of people constantly pissed off and they spend their time finding more things to be pissed off about, and they think this is "resisting" some vague and ill defined "privilege". They're spreading it to the next generation, and if I don't strongly present my point of view, aren't I failing them?

Being the side to argue for rationality and an open mind is tough in this situation, because people who believe in the black and white that the intersectional ideology presents feel more strongly in some ways than people like myself who feel all ideas should be heard out and evaluated on their own merits.

What do you think? Am I just blowing a bunch of smoke up my own ass here?

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

Once somebody has an idea in their head, it's really difficult to get it out.

I'm sure with time and enough evidence you might be able to change their minds, but it could also be wasted effort.

As I've said in the "Is the SJW movement dying" thread, it's nearly impossible to kill an idea.

 

[DangerousGas]

Eh, as with all revisionist ideologies, they won't survive in the long term. Probably not worth getting too worked up about - you'll outlast SJWism.

 

[FierceBrosnan]

I am relived I'm not the only person seeing and thinking this.

The far left is far too reactionary and it makes a reasonable discussion damn near impossible. I am cautiously optimistic that the majority of these people will grow out of this phase and all this "progressiveness" will be remembered about as fondly as the Roman Vomitoriums.

 

[Nekromantik]

Funny, husband and I just had a conversation about how is seems that people are only willing to see things as black and white, from political and social problems, to even things like what movies or books you like or don't like. And it seems less and less people are able to actually discuss things in an actual debate. No willingness to see things from the other side. There is no middle ground, undecided, or meh with theses types of people.

It's zealotry, you can take to soft approach or yell as loud as them. It won't change their mind. It's very worrying that more and more people are like this.

 

[Bassomatic]

Since this is GD and not Deep Thoughts, I'll keep it briefer and more humorous.

Zealots aren't healthy to have in your life, no matter the flavor. I'm pretty open about my an cap thoughts. I can sit and have a meal or chat with someone who wants a government, even though really in the end of the day, they are planning to rob me, in my point of view... and me wanting to keep my own money in their eyes is robbing them and society.

Hardcores are always so happy to shun out people who don't play with or for them, but being the MSM has a left lean we hear that side a lot more.

Honestly when people push privilege or anything I know they can't form their own ideas and I just resort to ignorance. Not only does it get them angry, play dumb long enough and they will hang themselves, I can't say a single time someone who uses that or buys into it doesn't have more than the person they are reeeing at : A friend of mine was telling me how privileged I was to be scholarshiped for my grad degrees not lucky or blessed or even unjust... I earned them and paid for UG... little more playing the fool. MOMMY AND DADDY PAID HIS SCHOOL. Sometimes it's just like skeet shooting with out the smell of powder and recoil.

 

[UnKillShredDur]

For one thing, pick your battles. If you have relatives who have crazy politics... (and I feel you, because I do too) you have to ask yourself 'Do I want to cut them out of my life entirely?' Because you can be sure that they're asking themselves the exact same thing about you. If the answer is no, then it probably is worth avoiding political discussion.

Odds are pretty good that you're not going to change their opinion, so arguing the issue is pretty much a moot point unfortunately.

If you have a relative who is more moderate, and you see them leaning towards the crazy end of the spectrum, it may be worth it however.

 

[Bassomatic]

Picking your battles is seriously a lost art.

Victim mindset (again this is both sides esp in regards to zealots) makes you feel back to the wall, you can't shrug things off or ignore it. Also zealot minded people take all attacks personally. I often hear blatantly untrue things stated both for and against my mindset. It's rarely worth mentioning, family has so much to share instead of ranting about drumfp or what not. So just steer away ignore or play along till something cool like Uncle Steve's promotion or wedding comes up.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

It’s a difficult situation, and I think it ultimately comes down to “will lying about your politics help you get laid?”

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

There's only a couple of beliefs I'll actually outright reject someone for. Soc Jus shit is annoying and it causes a lot of problems, but I don't put it on the same level as Nazi apologism or actual violent racism. Even that kill whitey shit rarely manifests as anything more than just pretentious self-flagellation. If I can't find some way to connect with someone regardless of their politics then they're probably not a very interesting or likable person to begin with.

 

[Bassomatic]

Even that kill whitey shit rarely manifests as anything more than just pretentious self-flagellation.

Tell that to the Boers.
I'd like anyone to point out another group on the date of this writing that is being killed for the color of their skin alone. If you can track any down, I'm gonna make a second crazy guess, it's not white people doing it.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Well, I wouldn't say I'm talking about outright zealotry. It's more that their first instinct is the party line, and their first reaction to an opinion that goes against that is more "Oh god what's wrong with you" than "Oh, why do you think that?". I do agree someone who is just always going on about something like that is toxic to have in your life, but that's not really what I'm talking about.

Here I'm talking about people important to me in my life, not just people I'm related to. It's trying to figure out how to react when someone says all trump voters are racists, when they say people who want to reach across the aisle are working with nazis, when they say antifa punching "nazis" is a good thing and them attacking people is just propoganda.

There's always so much vitriol behind it, and I feel like that's the case with most people who don't like trump. It's never that they disagree with his policies, it's that he's hitler reincarnated and he mobilized the secret white supremecists hiding in our midst. I'm not trying to bring people over to my side, I'm just trying to get them to acknowledge the possibility that someone could disagree with them without being a villain. Of course, I'm always one of the good ones...

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Tell that to the Boers.
I'd like anyone to point out another group on the date of this writing that is being killed for the color of their skin alone. If you can track any down, I'm gonna make a second crazy guess, it's not white people doing it.

And this is what I'm talking about saying this ideology is dangerous. Sure, it's not like there's a lot of people killing white people in the US, but it's not as if the hating whitey mentality in western civilization has no effect anywhere else. This mentality is so bad, if you're worried about these people being murdered for their race, you might just get called a racist!

 

[Bassomatic]

Then they are either uneducated, bigoted or just all around dumb dumbs. Why do you want them in your life?

I find it very suspect you can disagree on other topics if you are saying these people are screeching half the country is racist with out an ounce of proof, or reasoning. Like what can you get along about lol. I'm not even trolling but if someone has one extreme enough thought they can shut logic down how can they turn it on other places?

It's like saying, here's Dr. Steve he's a great guy helps at the homeless shelter, 2.5 kids nice house and a flat earther. No flat earthers are basement dwelling tards because having something that unwound in your brain, you can't function normally. imho.

And this is what I'm talking about saying this ideology is dangerous. Sure, it's not like there's a lot of people killing white people in the US, but it's not as if the hating whitey mentality in western civilization has no effect anywhere else. This mentality is so bad, if you're worried about these people being murdered for their race, you might just get called a racist!

You also don't factor in, racism is losing it's use since it's beaten to death. If I say, Taylor Swift is Prettier than Oprah people will call me racist, by this point... do you think I care? Not that I did for start. Now factor this in to many people whom are not as open minded educated or accepting as many here.

They will go well if you call me racist I might as well honestly just be one. That as you can see, got dangerous, the boers being slaughtered now, is an example, they kept telling people they were victims of racism... this is the progression of punch nazis.

 

[ES 148]

If you feel it's the wrong thing to do, don't do it. Simple rules.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Then they are either uneducated, bigoted or just all around dumb dumbs. Why do you want them in your life?

I find it very suspect you can disagree on other topics if you are saying these people are screeching half the country is racist with out an ounce of proof, or reasoning. Like what can you get along about lol. I'm not even trolling but if someone has one extreme enough thought they can shut logic down how can they turn it on other places?

Heh, I guess I'm not clearly communicating, I'm probably exaggerating things myself here. But of course people can be unreasonable on some topics and reasonable on others. Logic isn't something that you either always use or never. The super progressive left right now has made their argument steeped in emotion, and that works on some people. Emotion trumps logic sometimes, so on those topics, they seem less logical. They're not screeching maniacs, like I said, it's their first instinct, they are capable of reason.

The question is more, if I care about these people, would the right thing to do be to push through the unpleasantness and get them to understand my issue, or, like with many other things, is this just a small flaw like everyone has that I should just overlook? These people aren't on social media complaining about everything being problematic all the time, they're just very sympathetic to that point of view.

If I try to look at it the other way around, it's difficult, because who thinks they're unreasonable? And it's not as if I believe my views are infallible, I'm sure I'm wrong about quite a few things.

 

[Bassomatic]

Ok, well if you were blowing it up a bit I was taking it as that's how bad it was and in that regard I'd say just run lol. But if it's more mild, you have a right to an opinion, as do they. People are allowed to be friends and see different things.

Use your people skills, some people want to drone on about something, others want to talk about it. Go case by case. Best advice I got for ya.

 

[SwanDive]

I generally try to avoid serious political discussion if a friend or family member starts spouting off bullshit. Maybe I'll try to slip in some sort of counter argument without being confrontational about it, but from what I've seen these things end up being more about posturing rather than anything meaningful.

I wouldn't really say it's unethical to call things out, but imo you don't have any obligation to do so either.

 

[An Ghost]

Here I'm talking about people important to me in my life, not just people I'm related to. It's trying to figure out how to react when someone says all trump voters are racists, when they say people who want to reach across the aisle are working with nazis, when they say antifa punching "nazis" is a good thing and them attacking people is just propoganda.

This is pretty much my life atm so thanks for posting about it. I actually had a friend who ended a long relationship because of politics but in a post 2016 election world shit is crazy.
I am ok with my SO having a different political opinion. I am not ok with them saying “no you’re wrong” and refusing to discuss it further. No relationship should be like that because a lack of communication is their very basis.
But it doesn’t matter because politics maybe makes up .001% of anything we talk about. This person is not their political beliefs and neither am I.
If politics do come up, sometimes I fan the flames by joking about things so far left they’re backwards like “it’s ok to punch people who voted for trump. Even the women because they’re not really women.”

 

[MrTroll]

I strongly feel that if someone wrongly believes something, for example they think that with Jews you actually don't lose, you have a moral and personal obligation to correct them.