Is Modern Life "Healthy" for Humanity? - reject modernity return to monke

[Me? I'm Tight As Fuck]

Humans are, in this day and age, constantly subdued if you don't live in a third world shithole. We see fewer and fewer youths picking up hobbies that don't involve video games and an online presence. Physical and social isolation is normative now and we spend less and less time working on productive projects by ourselves and with members of our community. Despite this lack of social engagement and fulfilling hobbies and activities, people are often quickly overwhelmed by the current structure of society. You have to work to live, you have to sleep to work. You don't get a lot of time in between. Your energy is expended outwards to others, benefitting people you likely don't even know, while you draw a short stick and work a menial job.

The foundations of humanity and our ancestors were built upon hunting & gathering and later, agriculture, and farming. This goes without saying. The fundamental difference between then and now is the direct communal benefit of tending to these tasks and the feelings of fulfillment, satisfaction, and that you are doing right by the people closest to you. Unlike today, where your future is only determined by how many time credits your employer issues to you to trade for sustenance. Where's the gratuity in that? Humans, in my opinion, function so that we enjoy and benefit most from instant gratification - from seeing results from our work.

Now instead of lifting rocks and hunting mammoths for cave wife, you have to file papers and be a wage-slave. Doesn't matter if your family is fed, your value is based on how much of your life is spent working. I imagine that ancient humans had more time to ponder, wonder, and philosophize - another thing we lack time or patience for this day and age. It is my belief that we as humans are here to understand the universe, not create a facade to hide behind and worry about superficial non-problems like fiat currency and whether we told Big Brother how much we earned.

So, is a return to monke needed or are we doing fine?

 

[Otis Boi]

Peak humanity will be living hooked up to a virtual world while robots take care of all out needs.

Humanity and most animals will take the path of least resistance to fulfill there goals,needs and wants. We are just the only animals capable on earth to do it so effectively. I say all this because humans are cursed with this outcome no matter what. Evolution for humans is doing less work to consume more resources. Even if it built on the backs of an underclass.

 

[Dildo]

While I know the original context of the story had nothing to do with this, neither did it actually happen I find myself drawn to the story of the tree of knowledge on the garden from which Eve was forbidden to eat.

As humans have become more knowledgeable and meta aware; of what drives our impulses, our society and the delicate house of cards which is civilization we've also become more nihilistic and increasingly depressed.

I don't suppose for one moment the Genesis authors and compilers were this prophetic to forsee the psyche of current year humans but It is ironic all the same.

I think, barring a global Islamic Dark Age, a nuclear holocaust or irrecoverable worldwide climate change damage we are going to continue down a path that will lead to what we may consider a dystopia. We may have plenty, we may have no famine or sickness, we may live longer but we will be empty.

Nietzsche may have found the death of God liberating and empowering, and for those who've come out from under the thumb of an even more terrifying paradigm it is. For most people who've never experienced that....The abyss stares out with nothing to deflect its gaze, and some stare into the abyss without even knowing that they do.

 

[TFT-A9]

Imagine unironically thinking that returning to nasty, short, brutish lives is what's going to improve the state of humanity as a whole.

 

[Me? I'm Tight As Fuck]

Imagine unironically thinking that returning to nasty, short, brutish lives is what's going to improve the state of humanity as a whole.

I don't think I or anyone literally means returning to a primal state of life where we throw shit at each other and spiderman our own moms for fun. My opinion is that smaller communities built on agriculture, farming, and some level of hunting/gathering would ease the human psyche and be more manageable for the average person, allowing them to feel fulfilled in their existence since they are bringing value to a commune that is close and which has results that are palpable, not global and cold and empty. Obviously we would then have to discuss law and governance, but I'd like to try and stray away from that as many topics devolve into "muh dictator". I would like to focus on the effects of the rat race and modern standards on the human psychological condition, the psychological weight of living in a global society, and how a smaller scale communal living situation may or may not benefit the average person.

 

[Seminal Ointments Lain]

The problem is that human historty and thousands of years of both genetics and epigenetics and memetics of every race, country and creed have longed for a peaceful life and this created the modern world. Even without (((them))), the modern world is still created.

It's not about rejecting modernity, it's about mastering it. Giving everyone endless money, food and sex is a good thing for anyone who isn't mindless nigger cattle, who, are always going to be bottom rung cannon fodder uggos or already dead if any given version of the world.

Transcend the their false dualism by imbibing your cum. Mediate on the worm-curm and his teachings. Reminence on Derek Shaman, and his Love for Baby Monkey. Notice how the Baby Monkey edges endlessly? That's right. You need to cumm, focus on cummding. Cummd into the world and impregante it. Cumm. Say it with me, Cumm.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The modern world is hell.

The typical modern American city really is like a machine. From the air, it looks like a circuit board. The cheap corporate-built buildings look like electronic components, and the roads look like circuit pathways. Down on the ground, there's no real society. Everyone is isolated in their homes, mechanized transport, or at places of business (remember that SpongeBob clip?).

Only technology and mechanistic routine - with an over-reliance on the vendor system - keeps things going. Even food is distributed by vendors in bullshit portions at bullshit prices from industrial processing. And to keep things running, the modern world has to have excessive rules. Many live the same.

All most people can do is work and consume, or go to school to work and consume. Modern work itself is often enough driven by "scientific management", which often enough takes place in ugly and depressing fluorescent-lit factory-like environments - or actual factories. Gone are the days where one could more or less easily make a living on their own.

What little culture is left seems to be eroding away - especially with this "New Normal". Consumerism and politics - especially now - seem to be replacing it.

Socialization normally only happens in cliques. Technology is increasingly eroding that away, with "real life" increasingly being replaced with tech.

Not everything modern is bad of course, and the past wasn't exactly pleasant. But the combination that is the modern world is a miserable hell - although media and a social life can help one cope.

And power-hungry elite who run the show want it this way. A cybernetic hive of consumer serfs. A cyberpunk dystopia.

And yet...

Imagine unironically thinking that returning to nasty, short, brutish lives is what's going to improve the state of humanity as a whole.

Yep. So far, Earth has been a sucky place to live. And Homo sapiens are a very flawed species. There's too many jerks - especially in positions of power - and too many blind followers of said jerks.

 

[TFT-A9]

The modern world is a hell.



And yet...



Yep. So far, Earth has been a sucky place to live.

Life sucks and then you die. Life sucks LESS now than it did 10000 years ago, believe it or not.

 

[Me? I'm Tight As Fuck]

Life sucks and then you die. Life sucks LESS now than it did 10000 years ago, believe it or not.

Yes, quality of life has overall gone up. We live longer, get sick less, have advanced treatment when we do eventually get sick, have access to water and food, don't have to suffer if we can't get our own food (only if you can't get your own money), a better understanding of the importance of hygiene and wellbeing, etc.

Would you consider that these early humans' stressors weren't as severe as they are today? Outside pressures didn't exist back then the way they do today. 10,000 years ago humans probably had tribes, groups, and even belief systems - these would obviously conflict with other tribes at some point. However, outside of getting attacked, the rest is the responsibility of you and your kin. Ultimately problems could be resolved much faster because there isn't a bureaucracy or corporation meddling in the works. You wouldn't have an unreachable political leader who doesn't even know who you are. Many more factors about your life as a whole would be entirely in your control, aside from nature of course. Societal norms would evaporate because all you have time for is survival and problem solving. Yes, obviously a life like this would be rife with suffering, but are the internal sufferings of a smaller community easier to cope with and resolve than the global zeitgeist that's going on now? I think yes. Problems go from being larger than life, political, divisive, and insurmountable to being approachable and understandable. Not enough food? It's as simple as finding your local game hunters or agriculturalists and determining what is needed as a community to overcome the issue, without societal norms directing what is morally acceptable and a bureaucratic government turning the wheel. Each individual would be forced to pull their own weight or get out of the way. Every individual would have a purpose and a place in these smaller societies and variation throughout many smaller societies would allow you to strike out and find a place that aligns with your worldview.

 

[Just Another Apocalypse]

Humans are, in this day and age, constantly subdued if you don't live in a third world shithole. We see fewer and fewer youths picking up hobbies that don't involve video games and an online presence. Physical and social isolation is normative now and we spend less and less time working on productive projects by ourselves and with members of our community. Despite this lack of social engagement and fulfilling hobbies and activities, people are often quickly overwhelmed by the current structure of society. You have to work to live, you have to sleep to work. You don't get a lot of time in between. Your energy is expended outwards to others, benefitting people you likely don't even know, while you draw a short stick and work a menial job.

The foundations of humanity and our ancestors were built upon hunting & gathering and later, agriculture, and farming. This goes without saying. The fundamental difference between then and now is the direct communal benefit of tending to these tasks and the feelings of fulfillment, satisfaction, and that you are doing right by the people closest to you. Unlike today, where your future is only determined by how many time credits your employer issues to you to trade for sustenance. Where's the gratuity in that? Humans, in my opinion, function so that we enjoy and benefit most from instant gratification - from seeing results from our work.

Now instead of lifting rocks and hunting mammoths for cave wife, you have to file papers and be a wage-slave. Doesn't matter if your family is fed, your value is based on how much of your life is spent working. I imagine that ancient humans had more time to ponder, wonder, and philosophize - another thing we lack time or patience for this day and age. It is my belief that we as humans are here to understand the universe, not create a facade to hide behind and worry about superficial non-problems like fiat currency and whether we told Big Brother how much we earned.

So, is a return to monke needed or are we doing fine?

how much are people prepared to give up?

society would have to change (back).

watch the men vs women ep of Survivor. If we want to 'get ourselves back to the garden ' women better buck their fucking ideas up.

 

[Me? I'm Tight As Fuck]

watch the men vs women ep of Survivor. If we want to 'get ourselves back to the garden ' women better buck their fucking ideas up.

We all know very well that women can't function without men. Lesbian relationships have the highest divorce rate of all because women are fragile and incapable of solving real world problems. Sorry (not really) if that hurts your feelings but this is all I've never noticed about women. Women have their place in society as caretakers and watchers. Women can be the wisdom in the village, can be the shaman, can be the mother and sister of all - but if she works, she will certainly get less done than her male counterparts.

 

[TFT-A9]

Yes, quality of life has overall gone up. We live longer, get sick less, have advanced treatment when we do eventually get sick, have access to water and food, don't have to suffer if we can't get our own food (only if you can't get your own money), a better understanding of the importance of hygiene and wellbeing, etc.

Would you consider that these early humans' stressors weren't as severe as they are today? Outside pressures didn't exist back then the way they do today. 10,000 years ago humans probably had tribes, groups, and even belief systems - these would obviously conflict with other tribes at some point. However, outside of getting attacked, the rest is the responsibility of you and your kin. Ultimately problems could be resolved much faster because there isn't a bureaucracy or corporation meddling in the works. You wouldn't have an unreachable political leader who doesn't even know who you are. Many more factors about your life as a whole would be entirely in your control, aside from nature of course. Societal norms would evaporate because all you have time for is survival and problem solving. Yes, obviously a life like this would be rife with suffering, but are the internal sufferings of a smaller community easier to cope with and resolve than the global zeitgeist that's going on now? I think yes. Problems go from being larger than life, political, divisive, and insurmountable to being approachable and understandable. Not enough food? It's as simple as finding your local game hunters or agriculturalists and determining what is needed as a community to overcome the issue, without societal norms directing what is morally acceptable and a bureaucratic government turning the wheel. Each individual would be forced to pull their own weight or get out of the way. Every individual would have a purpose and a place in these smaller societies and variation throughout many smaller societies would allow you to strike out and find a place that aligns with your worldview.

The root of the issue here is less the advancement of mankind and more the fact that there's no more frontier to blackjack-and-hookers it in. There's really no rolling back that clock without something absolutely awful happening on a planetary scale that introduces WAY more hardship than it alleviates. If we ever start going off-planet, there might be a brief period where the concept of the "frontier" returns but with communications being what it is that's going to look kind of different than what it used to look like.

As far as stressors go, angry bears are not more accountable than politicians just because you can potentially kill the bear for trying to harm you. Stressors were different back then but their severity cannot be understated - hunter-gatherer life is ROUGH. You propose that going from worrying about John Q. Politician taking more of your paycheck to worrying about Pooky the Bear mauling you to death on a berry-gathering run is an improvement in any sense, you're going to come across as an Anprim crazy. Humans developed most of what we did to minimize how hard Mother Nature can fuck us, because Mother Nature can be a real mean bitch. The politician's an asshole, but I'd rather figure out how to fix THAT issue than flip the table on society and fight angry wildlife off to avoid starvation.

Humans adapt. That is what we do. We are still adapting to a number of the changes brought on by the onset of modern society. Some of us have a much harder time doing that, apparently, but they'll be happy to know that subsistence living in dangerous, uncivilized environs is still perfectly possible if you head to places in Africa or South America.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Generally yes, as far as it's like for an animal that living in a cage is better than living in the wild (where you'd be happy only with your an alpha and haven't managed to get yourself hurt). However, in the last decade modern life has become a nightmare where everything you take for granted is slowly being eroded by heartless elites and the legions of morons following them.

 

[Just Another Apocalypse]

really) if that hurts your feelings but this is all I've never noticed about women. Women have their place in society as caretakers and watchers. Women can be the wisdom in the village, can be the shaman, can be the mother and sister of all - but if she works, she will certainly get less done than her male counterparts.

Sexist, they are really good at gathering, better eyesight, see more colours etc, so being able to tell the difference between yummy mushroom and deadly pain in tummy mushroom is a useful skill.

as for wisdom of the village... You're a Catholic priest,right? Or someone who has never met a woman. The reason there is so much dumbfuck shit going on is because most women bought into a CIA psy op grift.

They can gather, they can clean, they can breast feed the kids, they can suck my dick, theres plenty of things for them to do, it's just thinking, cooking and killing they aren't well qualified to do.

 

[TFT-A9]

The hallmark of the human condition is spite. Sheer, unadulterated spite. Tell a human being they can't fly, they don't have wings, whoever heard of a human being FLYING don't be absurd... so we develop aircraft that fly higher and faster than any bird ever dared dream. Tell a human being they can't do something in a certain area, there's a LAW against that, they develop something that LETS them do that in that area without you ever knowing. Spite is the overriding sentiment behind every advancement in human history - spite against imposed laws and structures that limit them, natural or artificial. Humanity is series of upturned middle fingers pointed at everyone and everything else.

 

[Penis Drager]

Physical and social isolation is normative now

I would say you're using that word wrong, but we are in a pandemic so...

 

[Sweetpeaa]

I would have been nice to be an adult in the late 1990's. Strong economy, economic boom and decent work life balance. People could afford to buy properties back then even just a few years out of school.

I think the stress that people are feeling now is related to the new substandard quality of life that most of us weren't used to as children and teens unless you grew up in abject poverty. People these days are scrambling for basics, have no free time, even core features of your identity become stripped away the more you stay in survival/work mode.

 

[Me? I'm Tight As Fuck]

I would have been nice to be an adult in the late 1990's. Strong economy, economic boom and decent work life balance. People could afford to buy properties back then even just a few years out of school.

I think the stress that people are feeling now is related to the new substandard quality of life that most of us weren't used to as children and teens unless you grew up in abject poverty. People these days are scrambling for basics, have no free time, even core features of your identity become stripped away the more you stay in survival/work mode.

Well put. It feels like it has been a constant economic crisis since, well, 9/11. The housing crisis is a massive part of this. There's a giant imbalance where renters and leasers can't possibly save to own a home unless they live in extreme modesty - i.e. just above poverty - but homeowners can have ALL of their home related costs copped by a tenant. Now, for obvious reasons, I don't think the government should hand out homes, and this is why I enjoy the idea of things returning to a simpler state of being wherein homes could be built by the people that will live in them. Homes and land as a commodity is a very old ideal but it's one I object to the most.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Well put. It feels like it has been a constant economic crisis since, well, 9/11. The housing crisis is a massive part of this. There's a giant imbalance where renters and leasers can't possibly save to own a home unless they live in extreme modesty - i.e. just above poverty - but homeowners can have ALL of their home related costs copped by a tenant. Now, for obvious reasons, I don't think the government should hand out homes, and this is why I enjoy the idea of things returning to a simpler state of being wherein homes could be built by the people that will live in them. Homes and land as a commodity is a very old ideal but it's one I object to the most.

Quite a few economists back in 2008 did tell people it really was the point of no return or the beginning of a poorer, more precarious quality of life for everyone in generations to come. They were of course written off and the media spun stories as early as late 2009 about ''economic recovery''. The truth is what I sensed and you just said, there has been constant economic crisis well before Covid hit. There was no true recovery (as in returning to the previously standard of living).

I don't know how much worse it's going to get. Yet there is so much denial and so many excuses for what has happened. The permanent recession denial has to be the most annoying. And the '' useless Liberal arts degrees'' excuse as to why college graduates never found good jobs doesn't cut it either as people with needed and useful degrees (not liberal arts) struggled unnecessarily to find employment. Many worked for free, many are still making an entry level wage and have to rent rooms. Baby Boomers NEVER had this type of life quality unless they were high school dropouts. This isn't a boomer rant, this is the recognition of a decline. I can understand the illegal immigration aspect perfectly now - it really does all make sense.

 

[Me? I'm Tight As Fuck]

Quite a few economists back in 2008 did tell people it really was the point of no return or the beginning of a poorer, more precarious quality of life for everyone in generations to come. They were of course written off and the media spun stories as early as late 2009 about ''economic recovery''. The truth is what I sensed and you just said, there has been constant economic crisis well before Covid hit. There was no true recovery (as in returning to the previously standard of living).

I don't know how much worse it's going to get. Yet there is so much denial and so many excuses for what has happened. The permanent recession denial has to be the most annoying. And the '' useless Liberal arts degrees'' excuse as to why college graduates never found good jobs doesn't cut it either as people with needed and useful degrees (not liberal arts) struggled unnecessarily to find employment. Many worked for free, many are still making an entry level wage and have to rent rooms. Baby Boomers NEVER had this type of life quality unless they were high school dropouts. This isn't a boomer rant, this is the recognition of a decline. I can understand the illegal immigration aspect perfectly now - it really does all make sense.

It must be very strange to grow up in a world where doublethink is a real phenomenon. How harrowing it must be to have to struggle constantly but to have the establishment, the politicians, the older generations, all telling you that nothing is beyond what has been normal since the 70's, that your suffering and struggle is your own doing, and that you are the only one that can pull yourself out of it. On top of that, uncertainty is at an all-time high. Will the pandemic end? Will we ever be normal? Does the government really have my best interests in mind? How much freedom will I have with increasing technological surveillance? Will I survive climate change? Is anything the truth? These are the uncertainties and stressors that come to mind when I discuss the ideal of living more primitive lifestyles. They are so contrary to natural life that the sheer psychological weight of considering these uncontrollable and impersonal factors is harmful to human life and mental wellbeing. At the risk of sounding like a coddled retard: the threat of an animal attack is personal, palpable, has solutions, and has proactive steps you can take. I am absolutely not arguing that anyone could surmount this problem, nor am I saying it's and easier problem to solve or deal with, just that the approachability of the scenario is more psychologically manageable to an individual.

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