Is pornography good or bad for society? - And why?

Is pornography good or bad for society?

  • All forms of Pornography are good for society, even pedo, beastality, necrophillia etc

    Votes: 4 2.6%
  • Most porn is good for society, except for really wack shit pedo, beastality, necrophilia etc

    Votes: 25 16.4%
  • Only some porn is good for society, and stuff like furry, ageplay, edgeplay and BDSM etc is not

    Votes: 3 2.0%
  • Porn is neither good nor bad for society overall

    Votes: 61 40.1%
  • Most porn is bad for society, and only the tamest kinds (softcore) should be ok

    Votes: 35 23.0%
  • All porn is evil and should be banned

    Votes: 24 15.8%

  • Total voters
    152

Senior Lexmechanic

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You might want to check your sources, your thinking D.H. Lawrence, and T.E Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia.) Neither are the same person.

Alternatively, if you look up the works of St. Thomas Aquinas (the animal guy) He wrote some of the first treatise of psychological observation of sexual perversions in humans as a manual to be used for guidance by the Catholic lay preachers in order to prevent those perversions. The Catholic church buried the documents inside of one of the Vaticans secret libraries, because they want to believe the observations were true.

Also if you look up the work of Alfred Kinsey, his studies of sexuality in the 1940's and 1950's were ground breaking for the time, but not widely shared outside of the psychology community because it confirmed that a) humans are sexual beings b) They will find a myriad of ways to express that sexuality c) perversions like transgenderism, bi-sexuality, homosexuality, and cross dressing were more common than initial thought. (homosexuality and bi-sexuality were considered taboo for that period.)
Thank you for the fact-check; the names are similar. Also, thank you for the additional supporting documents!
 

BlastDoors41

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If marketing was such a science we wouldn't have seen Hillary Clinton flop in 2016.

Marketing is a billion dollar industry because it's based on selling shitty ideas to dumb rich people who want to be more rich. You know another billion dollar industry? Homeopathic medicine. Proven by science (or even just some basic critical thinking) NOT to work.

And?

Nothing you said disproves what I said.
Homeopathic medicine is a billion dollar industry. As is fair trade and organic because despite being full of bullshit.

That’s due to marketing.

And what is marketing but the leveraging of specific kinds of imagery and values with various kinds of products.


Freud to Anna Freud to Edward Bernays to corporate propaganda to public relations.

And I would point out to the devout Christian who rated me autistic that the image and story of the Christ figure is one of the most powerful mimetic narratives to have ever existed.

If people hadn’t wanted to emulate Jesus and embody his values we’d be living in a far different world. I mean, do you honestly believe that there aren’t people leveraging the worst impulses of humanity in order to make a buck.
 
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BigRuler

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If marketing was such a science we wouldn't have seen Hillary Clinton flop in 2016.
Marketing is a billion dollar industry because it's based on selling shitty ideas to dumb rich people who want to be more rich. You know another billion dollar industry? Homeopathic medicine. Proven by science (or even just some basic critical thinking) NOT to work.
are you seriously arguing that marketing and propaganda don't influence people
because you'd have to be a really dense motherfucker to unironically believe that
 

Lemmingwise

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Also if you look up the work of Alfred Kinsey, his studies of sexuality in the 1940's and 1950's were ground breaking for the time, but not widely shared outside of the psychology community because it confirmed that a) humans are sexual beings b) They will find a myriad of ways to express that sexuality c) perversions like transgenderism, bi-sexuality, homosexuality, and cross dressing were more common than initial thought. (homosexuality and bi-sexuality were considered taboo for that period.)
It was also very shoddy research, recording prostitutes living with pimps as "married", using prison population to represent "less than college educated" stats to claim that 10-37% of men engage in homosexual activity.

Being held down against your will and jerked off until orgasm counts as homosexual activity, in his stats.

In general he took poor samples which makes it impossible to clean up his data and extract much useful.

He also only used volunteers for his data. A later Stanford study showed that volunteers for sex studies are about 3 times more promiscuous than more random samples, for example.

He oversampled prison population, prostitutes, sexual abuse victims and volunteered homosexuals and then passed that data of as a representative sample of americans. Of course people were shocked by the data, it was false.

A lot of false modern myths about sexuality come from Kinsey's poor research, such as the idea that women peak sexually in their 30s or that 10-37% of men are gay (recents samples show it's about 2%).

One of his myths that didn't stick is that not a single woman was ever harmed by rape.

Kinsey also paid fathers to rape their children and record orgasm times. Here is an interview with such a victim.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/kinsey-victim-speaks-out-my-father-was-paid-to-rape-me

Besides his poor data, he was obsessed with Aleistar Crowley and funded by the Rockefellers. The Kinsey institute is funded by Rockefellers up to this day. Aleistar Crowley taught among other things that magic derived from sodomizing young boys.
 
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It was also very shoddy research, recording prostitutes living with pimps as "married", using prison population to represent "less than college educated" stats to claim that 10-37% of men engage in homosexual activity.

Being held down against your will and jerked off until orgasm counts as homosexual activity, in his stats.

In general he took poor samples which makes it impossible to clean up his data and extract much useful.

He also only used volunteers for his data. A later Stanford study showed that volunteers for sex studies are about 3 times more promiscuous than more random samples, for example.

He oversampled prison population, prostitutes, sexual abuse victims and volunteered homosexuals and then passed that data of as a representative sample of americans. Of course people were shocked by the data, it was false.

A lot of false modern myths about sexuality come from Kinsey's poor research, such as the idea that women peak sexually in their 30s or that 10-37% of men are gay (recents samples show it's about 2%).

One of his myths that didn't stick is that not a single woman was ever harmed by rape.

Kinsey also paid fathers to rape their children and record orgasm times. Here is an interview with such a victim.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/kinsey-victim-speaks-out-my-father-was-paid-to-rape-me

Besides his poor data, he was obsessed with Aleistar Crowley and funded by the Rockefellers. The Kinsey institute is funded by Rockefellers up to this day. Aleistar Crowley taught among other things that magic derived from sodomizing young boys.
Fair points, I always found the works of Havelock Ellis more interesting and in-depth than Kinsey, the difference is, is that Kinsey is more in the American domain of sexual psychology. Ellis is more in depth on the general subject though, as well as dysfunctions, but with eight volumes IRCC, but is not as celebrated as individuals like Kinsey because of his open support for eugenics, and the fact most of his academic works preceded Kinsey's.

I didn't know Kinsey fudged his info so badly. Historically he had admitted to using only very small samples numbers of people, per the actual demographics of the US. And used phone interviews to gain a basis for the research so it was known to be skewed because it wasn't a one on one in person interviews and they used the test subjects for repeated sampling, as well as also not being able to get anonymous people to admit to things on the phone and therefore being under represented in some fetishes. (bestiality, transvestites, homosexuality, etc.)

Probably why he needed to cook the numbers in some place.

It's horrifying he paid people to rape their children. :cryblood: Why would anyone ever do that, even for pedantic research information.

Weird fact though, he was well known for his party trick of being able to stick a whole pencil inside his urethra. Sure it made for some interesting dinner conversation.
 

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If all performers are consenting adults and no-one is permanently hurt then it's all fine and dandy. Much better to allow something that people would do anyway, than to limit their freedom of expression.

Like Lao Tze said, "Strict government breeds constituents that lie to their rulers more than a loose government".
And like Nietzsche said, "I have never chosen to not step in to the waters of truth because they would be too dirty, but sometimes because they were too shallow".
This, pretty much. Agree all performers need to be consenting adults and nobody is permanently injured. Far as the latter goes, the Kink guidelines for the scenes they produce or purchase is rather comprehensive for all concerned, cast and crew. Allows the viewer of such scenes to feel comfortable that the work was done professionally, without permanent injury to any member of the cast. Have posted guidelines before. Just found a site with Kink's guidelines and checklists for performers.


There's been porn as long as there have been people capable of drawing pictures or writing words. It's just that advances in communications and technology allow 24/7/365 access to porn. No need any more to send off for books/tapes in brown paper wrappers. So we're going to have porn, no matter what.
 

JosephStalin

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That spokesperson makes it seem like there is a conspiracy with that bizarre response.


Other have already articulated my opinion on the porn thing.

I’m worried about the exposure younger people have to all the fucked up things out there.

People keep saying that porn has no effect on sexual relations but I can’t help but hear of how things like anal have become the thing to do regardless if the chick is into it or not.

Apparently, and this is second hand information, even into the late 90s prostitutes and escorts found requests for butt stuff to be relatively rare.
Far as porn goes, like a lot of things, there's nothing new under the sun. We just have better materials and technology to produce whatever we write, draw, take pictures of, make videos of, etc. But I agree that it's a shame younger people have access to so much porn, and all different kinds of porn, some definitely not good.
 
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The Saltening

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I am torn. On one hand, I can't say it should be banned outright because I think that would infringe on freedom, but the impact on society has been terrible. Like many things, it is addictive and can destroy your life, but since I am not advocating for cigarettes and alcohol to be banned, I won't advocate for a porn ban.

I might believe it is wrong, but I don't have the right to force people to agree with me. As porn progresses with weirder and weirder fetishes, and as more and more people fuck up their lives over porn addiction, I think more people will start rejecting it.

More and more people these days just use each other for pleasure, rampant sex with no commitment. This has made finding a nice "innocent" girl much harder than I think it used to be. I personally want to get married young and have lots of kids. Just like my parents did. But with the way things are looking, I am not sure that is even possible these days, and I personally believe porn has played a role in it.
 

Lemmingwise

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It's horrifying he paid people to rape their children. :cryblood: Why would anyone ever do that, even for pedantic research information.
Yeah. He catalogued the responses that kids gave under 6 types. Fainting, convulsing, screaming, writhing in pain, striking.... I forget the last type. Despite this, the conclusion was that the kids definitely enjoyed it.

Wouldn't have known about it without Judith Reisman.

She also said that playboy had an extensive history of child pornography. They sued her for slander and they lost, as there were in the end 989 instances of sexual pictures with children and generally a depiction of children benignly affected or unharmed by sexual activity with adults.
 

Hellbound Hellhound

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I think it is potentially both good and bad. On a positive level, I would argue that it encourages us to be more open about sex, and offers a safe outlet to those who's frustrations might otherwise pose a nuisance or danger to society. On a negative level, however, it arguably distills sex down to it's most lurid qualities, and possibly conditions us to dehumanize potential sexual partners as a result.

There is also the tricky issue of whether watching pornography ameliorates unhealthy fixations or exacerbates them, and the correct answer to this question might be both, depending upon how much pornography the person is consuming, what type of pornography it is, and what kind of person they are, etc.

Overall, I would say that it is probably a good thing. Barring some concerns I have about the ease at which children can access adult content nowadays, I think that overall, a society where attitudes towards sexuality are open, tolerant, and creative, is preferable to a society where attitudes are closed, dull, and repressed.
 
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Apoth42

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A friend’s ex bf has no idea how to pleasure a woman because he just tries to act out the porn he watches, which glosses over consent and tries to make a woman’s discomfort sexy. (Both people are supposed to feel aroused before you get started. Don’t act like a jackhammer. She’s not ‘supposed’ to feel pain. Don’t assume that you know what she wants more than she does just because you’ve watched more porn.)

I think this is a problem. I wouldn’t argue for a blanket ban on porn, but I do think the viewers (especially the naive ones) need to be given some kind of distinction between what is and isn’t realistic sex. Communication is treated like a taboo in a lot of these videos when it’s actually a fundamental thing.
Dunno, didn't this mindset exist before pornography?

It sure as hell exists in places like the Islamic world where pornography is punishable via amputation.
 

queerape

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Sex in relationships is MUCH different than porn and weak men who need a fix get addicted. Its bad all round.
The inexperienced, low self esteem men are the ones that tend to get addicted since they are often too shy to actually talk to women, then the porn gets them unhealthy expectations, worsening their lack of success with women which they turn to more porn to alleiviate, it becomes positive feedback.
 

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The inexperienced, low self esteem men are the ones that tend to get addicted since they are often too shy to actually talk to women, then the porn gets them unhealthy expectations, worsening their lack of success with women which they turn to more porn to alleiviate, it becomes positive feedback.

There's a connection with masturbatory sexual impulses coinciding with low cognitive and low analytical mental functioning. Its the same with extreme fetish and deviance, the mental activity and acuity degenerates.

With a wife and a partner comes an emotional bond with the wife attempting to provide emotional support for the husband not just only sexual desires and this is why men live longer. The woman 'cares' about the husband's health.
Flip side too with husband to wife. They are a team.

Its really sad to see men incapable of communicating with the opposite sex.
 

Dom Cruise

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Its really sad to see men incapable of communicating with the opposite sex.
I struggle with that I confess.


As for porn, if I want to watch porn as in a video of people fucking, I like the stuff that presents real couples doing it, as opposed to paid performers, basically I think the more "reality" there is in porn the healthier it is to consume, the more it presents real passion, the more you see women having real orgasms with no "acting" involved and so on, the better is as opposed to carefully constructed artifice.

I also personally simply find that sexier and more of a turn on.

EDIT: For example I have this.... documentary from 2004 called "Orgasm: The Faces of Ecstasy" which is simply close ups of people's faces as they have real orgasms.

There's this one segment of this middle aged lady, not unattractive but definitely older, far from "porn star" material and it just shows her as her husband does... something to her (not sure what exactly, since it's not shown) and she just totally loses it as she cums.

That is way sexier to me than any number of "Brazzers" or whatever type crap.
 
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DocHoliday1977

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I struggle with that I confess.


As for porn, if I want to watch porn as in a video of people fucking, I like the stuff that presents real couples doing it, as opposed to paid performers, basically I think the more "reality" there is in porn the healthier it is to consume, the more it presents real passion, the more you see women having real orgasms with no "acting" involved and so on, the better is as opposed to carefully constructed artifice.

I also personally simply find that sexier and more of a turn on.

Well its important to be trustworthy to a woman and actually give a damn about satisfying her, not just getting your own satisfaction.

Women orgasm easier than men so really there's no excuse for a gal faking it.
 
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