Is pornography good or bad for society? - And why?

Is pornography good or bad for society?

  • All forms of Pornography are good for society, even pedo, beastality, necrophillia etc

    Votes: 4 2.6%
  • Most porn is good for society, except for really wack shit pedo, beastality, necrophilia etc

    Votes: 25 16.0%
  • Only some porn is good for society, and stuff like furry, ageplay, edgeplay and BDSM etc is not

    Votes: 4 2.6%
  • Porn is neither good nor bad for society overall

    Votes: 62 39.7%
  • Most porn is bad for society, and only the tamest kinds (softcore) should be ok

    Votes: 36 23.1%
  • All porn is evil and should be banned

    Votes: 25 16.0%

  • Total voters
    156

Zero Kelvin Cool

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I've worked closely with this industry for many years and have met everyone from performers, to agents, to execs from different parts of the world. Hopefully I can provide a unique view on this matter. It's kind of a mix of how the industry functions, the different views coming from various sides of the industry, and then my personal views at the end.

The truth is, porn industry is extremely divided. The execs act nothing like the performers, the performers act nothing like the directors, &c. There are many levels when it comes to moral views in this industry. The most conservative views are often found at the exec level and the lowest morale at the director level, with performers floating somewhere in the middle. The ones at the top of the industry tend to be extremely wealthy ($10-$50+ million), economics degrees, often holding a very neutral personal view of the industry but behave very conservatively among their peers, often lying to them about their work. In other words, the execs don't even believe in their own industry enough to support it.

Moving down to the bottom...The directors are on the opposite spectrum, often promoting hedonism and using it to excuse their questionable behavior. Many of them are okay with rape, pedophilia, racism, etc. in their personal lives. The only issue for directors is legality, not morality. Aside from outright saying it in private gatherings, you can see it among agencies, who already have eyes locked onto girls ages 15-17 (sometimes younger), cutting deals with them long before they even enter the industry. They lack almost all respect and compassion for performers because they know there is always new talent coming in. On average, most performers don't last beyond 5 months because work either runs dry or they don't find the value in continuing. Directors are also the ones that push content on its viewers, despite the content being unpopular. Given their highly centralized nature, this is one industry where popularity can truly be and is forced. This is also a big part of what reflects the negative view of the industry. For example, most people didn't start watching "Teen Porn" because that's what they always liked. It gets embedded into viewers with time - an ad here, a recommendation there, or blasting them on the front pages of every porn/tube site owned by the same company, MindGeek. The same went for the "Ass" category and the more recent "TS" category. You may or may not realize this already, but you don't actually control what porn you like, MindGeek does. Other categories that are enormously popular and grew to that popularity organically, such as "Asian", are mostly ignored by directors and Mindgeek because it doesn't fit their own agenda, which is to continue to push new content and to do so as close to the legal boundaries as possible. There was a movie made on this called, "A Serbian Film" which basically sums this up in a way you'll never forget. This is not fiction, but is exactly the direction we are going and it isn't the pornstars that are agreeing to do it, but directors starting to take matters into their own hands via hate porn, filmed rape, etc. This is all cushioned up with complementary "staged" rape and "staged" incest, etc. This isn't some conspiracy or anything like that, it's how the industry works and always has worked (since the 70s, at least). It didn't always work, however. As was witnessed with "BBC", which repeatedly failed to kick off for 3 decades, then a bit of a success in the early 2000s, and now finally it's here, thanks to talents like Greg Lansky who used solid directing to achieve it. P.S. Greg Lansky (Blacked, Vixen) may not appear like it, but he is one of the most professional figures in the industry, compared to everyone else. There is no one else like him. Performers who leave the industry will come back just to shoot for his companies. This industry needs more people like him.

Moving to the performers. For some, the stereotypes are true. However, there are many performers who actually are intelligent and their work has enabled them to hold an uncanny view on adult work that most average people cannot begin to comprehend. These are also the performers that do the worst in the industry, as directors always hate hiring them. Directors like the girls that look dumb and drugged up. They prefer girls who are dumb and don't talk, unless it's about cock in their mouth. A recent example is Lana Rhodes, a total idiot who became a heroine addict because of this industry, but managed to break free and escape from their grip before she ended up killing herself. This is where you and many others get their stereotyping from. You only know of the airheads, you don't know and don't care about the intellectuals, just as you've been coded not to. Again, you may think you're smart, but you've been eating out of someone else's hand, being fed what they want you to eat because it's what makes them money. Something so simple has corrupted your ability to question your own view of the world - a forced philosophy, if you will. They do this to their performers and their viewers. There are some things far beyond their control though, such as economics - specifically, capitalism. When it comes to performers, in general, the performers are gradually giving up on "traditional" porn and opting to cam or produce their own indie content, where they don't get treated like shit and shortchanged. More are starting to realize that this is what they should have done from the start. MindGeek knows this and has gone as far as attempting to lure them back by creating a platform for them on Pornhub. Imagine the idiot you have to be to give up your content to a free porn site....surprisingly, there are many. Once again, they manage to put the ball back into their park. MindGeek, they are fucking brilliant mind rapists.

This industry is extremely centralized and MindGeek has a monopoly on it. There are few directors and few agents that all work very closely together, a.k.a. Spiegler, OC Modeling, and Jules Jordan. Government doesn't care because...you know...it's the adult industry. Why the fuck should you care about what other humans are doing? Society has no compassion for the adult sector. I don't have a direct link and I'm too lazy to find it because I've been busy writing this fucking essay, but you can read an old article about a MindGeek exec bragging about it. The adult industry is in its own bubble that is pretty much rotting from within, regardless of you trying to ban it or not. Capitalism is taking care of it at this point, as no one else would - with earnings depleting, work slowing down, suicide rates going up, HIV cases popping up again, falsified tests, expensive testing and companies forcing "no-condom" while refusing to pay for performer's tests, and as I mentioned there are much better opportunities for the performers to shoot their own content, now that cameras are really good and easy to operate. Does that make porn bad? No. It makes porn badly managed. There is just so much division among all the gears that keep it running.

The act of sex on display is perfectly fine, in my opinion. This is not what leads to the many so called "issues" associated with it. The concept of "good" and "bad" have nothing to do with anything, as they are not quantifiable and possess no logical value. You don't need to look far back to find porn that was once considered to be "hardcore" but is completely normal today. That's because there is no logical progression, it's just repeated guessing and society's definition of "good" and "bad" changes as a result of this guessing and altering views of life itself. Good and bad is governed by your philosophy, not by reason. If all of the sudden everyone takes on Existential Nihilism as the leading view of life, then you'll quickly find very little of the "good" and "bad" you find today to apply to them. This guessing occurs whenever society is presented with something new to question, which is the responsibility of directors - to push new content, to make society guess, to change their views. It's pretty easy to change beliefs, especially when you are completely unaware of your own beliefs to any substantial extend, and it's really hard to change facts. Anyways, an interesting side note: this whole thing actually goes beyond porn and has its roots in fashion, where women were told what they could and couldn't wear, and even engineering was sometimes guided by it, such as the case with the "female bicycle" which has its shape to prevent females from lifting their legs too high up when getting on. Since then it's all been about more, more, more...I believe that the sooner we all become comfortable with nudity and sex, the sooner the "problems" will go away on their own. We need to be bored of sex, bored of nudity. After all, sex was just a victim of recessive ideologies. This is what happens when you push monogamy, make up sins and "rules" about what you can and cannot wear, show or not show, or making it seem like marriage has more meaning than it really does. Just like when we mistakenly put ourselves at the center of the universe, we mistakenly put our bodies at the center or morale. The pornstars are all just the naked modern-day Giordano Bruno. Porn is a major philosophical challenge for humanity, because it really forces you into questionable territories and like all such territories, no one is rushing to get through them.
 
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Your insight into the industry is fascinating, even though I wholeheartedly disagree with your take on the concepts of good and evil at end. It’s a bit ironic since you’ve detailed out the mass corruption, social engineering and harm that’s rampant in the industry in the first half.
A man is known by his works, don’t you think? And industries aren’t above this rule?

Anyways, thanks for the taking the time to write this up.
 

Lemmingwise

Judging you internally
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We need to be bored of sex, bored of nudity. After all, sex was just a victim of recessive ideologies. This is what happens when you push monogamy, make up sins and "rules" about what you can and cannot wear, show or not show, or making it seem like marriage has more meaning than it really does.
People didn't make up sins for shit and giggles. People pushed monogamy because it was considered the healthiest model and it still seems to be the healthiest family model. It was propagated through religion because it was considered a good way to organize society. Tell me if there's a model that's better for children than monogamous marriage. I can see the arguments for divorce as a substitute for daily fighting, but in the end it's very expensive to pay for two living spaces instead of one, so you're sacrificing resources that otherwise could have gone into children's education.

Or children's food, depending how far you go back in history.
 

Dom Cruise

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Porn is weak pussy shit set up by faggots because some moralfags (probably women and/or priests) wanted to ban brothels.
Think of the simplicity and efficiency of just dropping by a whorehouse and busting a nut. Especially with modern tools like birth control and STD prevention pills.
It would be so nice....

The existence of porn is fine but I do think it can give some people, particularly those who are already kinda stupid, an unreasonable image of sex. I've known people sabotage decent relationships because the woman isn't prepared to be smothered in baby oil, tied up and mouthfucked until she gags as standard. (Anyone replying with a 'huur durr women are things' comment is literally proving me right)
Man, I couldn't imagine expecting stuff like that as a standard.

Just let me stick my thingamajig in and I'd be happy.

I mean Neutral Tard Cum Hotel is against it, so...
Semen stains the mountaintops, semen stains the mountaintops....
 

Lemmingwise

Judging you internally
True & Honest Fan
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The truth is, porn industry is extremely divided. The execs act nothing like the performers, the performers act nothing like the directors, &c. There are many levels when it comes to moral views in this industry. The most conservative views are often found at the exec level and the lowest morale at the director level, with performers floating somewhere in the middle. The ones at the top of the industry tend to be extremely wealthy ($10-$50+ million), economics degrees, often holding a very neutral personal view of the industry but behave very conservatively among their peers, often lying to them about their work. In other words, the execs don't even believe in their own industry enough to support it.
It's hard to believe they have a genuinely neutral view on this. You say that the reason for pushing the envelope of pornography is because of the hedonist directors, but you've also established that pornography is mostly a mindgeek monopoly, which means that directors are as much dependant as the performers are, even if they have a longer shelf life.

As you say, the execs brag about having their own little playing field.

It seems you're somewhat letting them off the hook, imho, but that may be how I'm reading into it.

The concept of "good" and "bad" have nothing to do with anything, as they are not quantifiable and possess no logical value.
There is logical value to morality, though. The simplest example is that the concept of a "promise" has no meaning unless there is actual effort to keep a promise. Absent of other information, a it's good to keep a promise and it's bad to break a promise.

And since you can discuss the effects of pornography you can discuss whether it's good or bad too. There may be parts that we don't know and parts where cause and effect are not clear at all, but that doesn't mean we're completely clueless either.
 

LyapunovCriterion

Unstable
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In practical terms, pornography is a drug. Addicts are junkies and, therefore, trash. Banning it is useless, though, instead we should investigate why junkies seek it for comfort or escapism.
 

Niggernerd

Hol up *siiiiiiiiip* nigga
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It's good for when my gf goes to cons and I don't feel like spending money to be around fat smelly weebs. She's a trooper for going. :semperfidelis:
 
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