Is red meat back on the menu? - A controversial study says cutting down on sausages, mince, steak and all other forms of red or processed meat is a waste of time for most people

[TFT-A9]

Name one vegan that’s ever harmed his fellow man.

Hitler /godwin

 

[heyilikeyourmom]

Hitler /godwin

Hitler doesn’t count for the same reason a vegan chef that cooks meat doesn’t.

 

[Ahriman]

Name one vegan that’s ever harmed his fellow man.

This one.

Hitler doesn’t count for the same reason a vegan chef that cooks meat doesn’t.

That's bullshit and you know it.

And if you insist, then William MacDonald was a vegetarian serial killer, according to this source.

 

[TFT-A9]

Hitler doesn’t count for the same reason a vegan chef that cooks meat doesn’t.

He certainly did cook a lot of meat. Though ovens aren't usually good for that.

 

[heyilikeyourmom]

And if you insist, then William MacDonald was a vegetarian serial killer, according to this source.

Sounds like carnivorous propoganda to me.

 

[Foxxo]

Red meat is fine (compared to the days of trichinosis), unless it's ground chuck. If you eat ground chuck raw, you deserve everything coming towards you.

 

[Stoneheart]

The reason to quit eating meat is because it makes you a better person.

That because cows are evil and you take in their spirit if you eat them.

 

[Ahriman]

Sounds like carnivorous propoganda to me.

Well then.

Van der Graaf was a Dutch vegan animal rights campaigner who in May 2002, assassinated anti-immigration politician Pim Fortuyn as he was heading for his car. Van der Graaf was a passionate activist who fought against factory farming and worked with the Environment Offensive, a group aimed at “stopping the expansion of factory farming”. As a teen he said his parents would not let him give up meat, but he later became a vegan. His alleged reason for killing Fortuyn was to stop him from exploiting Muslims as “scapegoats”. He viewed Fortuyn as a threat to those groups, comparing his rise to that of Nazism in Germany in the 1930s. At his trial, relatives of the slain politician appeared in court wearing fur coats as a show of spite against Van der Graaf.

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Volkert van der Graaf is a Dutch convicted murderer who assassinated politician Pim Fortuyn, the leader of the Pim Fortuyn List , on 6 May 2002.[1] This occurred during the political campaign for the Dutch general elections of 2002. An environmental and animal rights activist,[2][3] he said at...

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Lynette Fromme was a would be assassin and member of the infamous “Manson Family” cult. Although she did not succeed, in 1975 Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme was dead set on assassinating then president Gerald Ford. She pulled out a colt .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol during an event in Sacramento at which the president appeared but she was quickly subdued by intervening Secret Service agents. She was convicted and sentenced to life for her assassination attempt but was released on parole in 2009. Audio tapes of her pretrial psychiatric examination have been released that reveal her to be a herbivore among other things. When asked about her diet she replied, “Vegetables, yeah, I’m a vegetarian. I try and avoid additives, sugar; I ordinarily don’t eat any sugar, starch.”

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Lynette Alice "Squeaky" Fromme is an American criminal who was a member of the Manson family. Though not involved in the infamous Tate–LaBianca murders which the Manson family are best known for, she attempted to assassinate President Gerald Ford in 1975. For that crime, Fromme was sentenced to...

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In October 2005, Scott Dyleski murdered his neighbor Pamela Vitale who was the wife of prominent lawyer Daniel Horowitz. Dyleski was only 16 years old when he bludgeoned Vitale to death in her home while she was surfing the web. During his trial he was impassive and un-emotive making no admission of guilt nor any disclosure of details of his motives. He was convicted of first degree murder and was served the max sentence of life without parole being ineligible for the death penalty on account of his age. In spite of his cold demeanor, witnesses at his trial, stated that Dyleski was a gentle vegan kid who also had a fascination with Goth music and serial killers.

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Scott Edgar Dyleski is an American murderer, convicted of murdering his neighbor, Pamela Vitale, the wife of prominent attorney Daniel Horowitz. He received the maximum penalty allowed by the law, life in prison without parole. As a juvenile at the time of the murder, he did not qualify for...

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In India during the late 90s, Chandrakant Jha would house young men in his home only to murder them often under petty pretenses such as lying or being non-vegetarian. He would reportedly pamper them like his own children and then kill them at the slightest provocation. Jha would scatter his victims mutilated limbs throughout Delhi which he did to taunt police officials. He was caught in 1998 and served time behind bars only to be released in 2002 for lack of evidence. He continued to kill 6 others before he was caught again. He reportedly had a “death ritual” where around 8pm he would tie his victim’s hands on the pretext of punishing him and then strangle them using a nunchaku. Jha was eventually captured and sent to the gallows for his crimes.

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Chandrakant Jha is a serial killer and probable psychopath who befriended, then killed and dismembered 7 victims in west Delhi between 1998 and 2007. His first killing took place in 1998 for which he was arrested and held in jail until 2002, when he was released due to lack of evidence.[1]...

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Sheila Graham-Trott was found guilty of first degree murder in the 2010 killing of Kelly Brennan, her former friend and estranged husband’s lover. 24 hours after going missing, Kelly Brennan’s body was found dumped in the bushes with signs of head trauma consistent with a hammer. Officials were led to her body after Sheila made a bizarre 911 call reporting she was seeing ‘visions’ of her friend’s face in the dark. The odd claim was enough to convince prosecutors that Sheila Graham-Trott was culpable. Perhaps as an attempt to convey the gentleness of her daughter, Graham-Trott’s mother expressed that Sheila has been a vegetarian since ninth grade because her bus stop was near an abattoir.

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Sheila Graham-Trott was sentenced to life in prison in Florida, USA for the February 2010 killing of Kelly Brennan, her estranged husband's lover.

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Sonia Jacobs was a 28-year-old ‘vegetarian hippie’ when she was arrested along with her husband and a 3rd man following a 1976 shootout in which two policemen were killed. Jacobs and her husband Jesse Tafero were passengers in a car driven by Walter Rhodes when the incident occurred. The 3 were convicted in the murders and spent 15 years on death row before the driver made a confession following the execution of Jesse Tafero in 1990. Rhodes made an admission that exculpated Jacobs of guilt and she was released in 1992. She reunited with her son and daughter and later remarried to an Irishman who was also released from prison under similar circumstances.

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John Linley Frazier was a mass murderer dubbed “the killer prophet”. In 1970 he murdered ophthalmologist Victor Ohta, his wife, two sons and a secretary and subsequently burned down the house they were in while he in a drug-induced psychosis. Frazier was vegetarian hippie who collected guns and did drugs and it is believed his use of LSD contributed to the string of erratic behavior leading up to the murders. He claimed to hear voices that compelled him to act as an agent of god. He was convicted and sentenced to death by lethal gas but the sentence was later commuted to life imprisonment.

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John Linley Frazier, known as The Killer Prophet , was an American mass murderer who killed five people in Santa Cruz, California.

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In December 2012, Adam Lanza shot and killed 20 children at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Newton, Connecticut. He also murdered 6 adult staff members as well as his mother before committing suicide. He is said to have been fascinated with chimpanzees because of their capacity for empathy, but could show little or none himself. Adam reportedly had mental disorders including obsessive-compulsive behaviors such as changing his socks 20 times a day and using tissues to open doors for fear of touching knobs with his bare hands. Witnesses have reported that Adam was a vegan who drank water “with a certain amount of salt added to it.” He reportedly had no friends or associates and never used drugs or alcohol. He would write stories and poems that would at turns terrify and move his listeners to tears. In an email to investigators, an unnamed witness disclosed that “Emotion wasn’t something expressed in particularly verbose or grandiose fashion but it was expressed. He was capable of laughing, smiling and making jokes though always in a dry fashion.”

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[heyilikeyourmom]

Well then.

Volkert van der Graaf | Wikiwand

Volkert van der Graaf is a Dutch convicted murderer who assassinated politician Pim Fortuyn, the leader of the Pim Fortuyn List , on 6 May 2002.[1] This occurred during the political campaign for the Dutch general elections of 2002. An environmental and animal rights activist,[2][3] he said at...

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Lynette Fromme | Wikiwand

Lynette Alice "Squeaky" Fromme is an American criminal who was a member of the Manson family. Though not involved in the infamous Tate–LaBianca murders which the Manson family are best known for, she attempted to assassinate President Gerald Ford in 1975. For that crime, Fromme was sentenced to...

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Scott Dyleski | Wikiwand

Scott Edgar Dyleski is an American murderer, convicted of murdering his neighbor, Pamela Vitale, the wife of prominent attorney Daniel Horowitz. He received the maximum penalty allowed by the law, life in prison without parole. As a juvenile at the time of the murder, he did not qualify for...

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Chandrakant Jha | Wikiwand

Chandrakant Jha is a serial killer and probable psychopath who befriended, then killed and dismembered 7 victims in west Delhi between 1998 and 2007. His first killing took place in 1998 for which he was arrested and held in jail until 2002, when he was released due to lack of evidence.[1]...

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Sheila Graham-Trott | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

Sheila Graham-Trott was sentenced to life in prison in Florida, USA for the February 2010 killing of Kelly Brennan, her estranged husband's lover.

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Jesse Tafero - Wikipedia

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John Linley Frazier | Wikiwand

John Linley Frazier, known as The Killer Prophet , was an American mass murderer who killed five people in Santa Cruz, California.

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Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting - Wikipedia

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I’m not reading all that. Are you crazy?

 

[Ahriman]

I’m not reading all that. Are you crazy?

Of course not, I'm not vegan. Then again you said "name one vegan that's ever harmed his fellow man", I named 9 more.

 

[TheghostofAlfred]

You know, I wonder how much of the "meat is unhealthy" movement was influenced by studies made in eras where meat was poorly processed and manufactured with a nightmare cocktail of preservatives on old equipment. The history of processed meat that isn't sausage or jerky dates only as far back as like, the 1920s or so? Even if you don't buy organic, the quality and cleanliness of the meat you purchase these days is probably a hundred times better than it was even in the 1980s.

I can also think of other things that might cause cancer in a diet heavy in red meat. There was some study a few months back indicating that like 70% of all the fucking food in the country is contaminated with flurocarbon pollution. Old scrapyards and wilderness trasheaps probably leak heavy metal into the groundwater. The exstensive oil and coal industries in farming locations could also be a source.

There's also a theory about animals in miserable farming conditions having a huge overdose of stress chemicals in their blood, which could negatively affect human health. Though conversely, maybe that makes the meat taste better.

Point is, just dig in and be glad your meat doesn't have rusty nails in it.

I'd say food adulteration was at its worst in the 1800s. They put plaster of paris and other toxic bleaching agents to cut corners on white bread. Put poisonous food colorings into food. Added some acid to change the ph to sour milk causing children to fall ill to bovine tuberculosis. While processed meat is still somewhat bad and consumed in absurdly large quantities cancerous and our foods do have additives where leauges away from the initial wild West of cutting corners to make a profit also we're not china as china is experiencing a similar wild West with a view towards capitalism.

 

[L50LasPak]

EAT
THE
BUGS

If you processed bugs into a tasteless powder they'd make a great source of protein. Sounds stupid, but I'd rather buy a bug protein bar than a soy one. Then again maybe it would taste equally like cardboard.

 

[TheghostofAlfred]

If you processed bugs into a tasteless powder they'd make a great source of protein. Sounds stupid, but I'd rather buy a bug protein bar than a soy one. Then again maybe it would taste equally like cardboard.

to be fair lobster is just a giant water bug. A distant cousin of a roach.

 

[L50LasPak]

to be fair lobster is just a giant water bug. A distant cousin of a roach.

I've heard a big roadblock to getting people to eat bugs is that to a large portion of the population they taste like soap due to some weird chemical thing with their shells. I don't think crusteaceans have the same problem.

 

[TheghostofAlfred]

I've heard a big roadblock to getting people to eat bugs is that to a large portion of the population they taste like soap due to some weird chemical thing with their shells. I don't think crusteaceans have the same problem.

I know but i dont eat lobster. I find them eww.

 

[L50LasPak]

I know but i dont eat lobster. I find them eww.

You're not really missing much, it has a sweet taste kind of like jumbo shrimp and its horrendously expensive unless you live in like Maine or something. Buy crab legs instead. And you don't have to murder the thing to eat it.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I'd say food adulteration was at its worst in the 1800s. They put plaster of paris and other toxic bleaching agents to cut corners on white bread. Put poisonous food colorings into food. Added some acid to change the ph to sour tard cum causing children to fall ill to bovine tuberculosis. While processed meat is still somewhat bad and consumed in absurdly large quantities cancerous and our foods do have additives where leauges away from the initial wild West of cutting corners to make a profit also we're not china as china is experiencing a similar wild West with a view towards capitalism.

There was also the Swill milk scandal, in which corrupt businesses used plaster of Paris, starch, eggs, and molasses to doctor up the milk from their cows after they had become so sick from him feeding them swill from a distilleries that they had owned. It's estimated that 8,000 infants died in one year from drinking swill milk.

Then there's The Jungle, a book by Upton Sinclair that basically got the Pure Food and Drug Act passed. Fun fact about that. Theodore Roosevelt read the book, and was so outraged that he ordered an investigation into the practices of the meatpacking industry to see if any of the horrific, and nauseating claims in the book were true.

With the except of the workers falling into rendering machines, and getting turned human lard, (not because it didn't ever happen, but only because they couldn't prove it ever did), they were.

 

[L50LasPak]

Then there's The Jungle, a book by Upton Sinclair that basically got the Pure Food and Drug Act passed. Fun fact about that. Theodore Roosevelt read the book, and was so outraged that he ordered an investigation into the practices of the meatpacking industry to see if any of the horrific, and nauseating claims in the book.

This is exactly what I was thinking of, though my dates were off by a good decade or so. Still, I bet meat packing standards still sucked until at least the 1950s since we all know how slow of a process it is for inspectors to comb through when some new law is passed.

 

[Gender Affirming Surgery]

I've heard a big roadblock to getting people to eat bugs is that to a large portion of the population they taste like soap due to some weird chemical thing with their shells. I don't think crusteaceans have the same problem.

I tried bugs. Not for the planet, but because I needed absurd amounts of protein and I was fucking sick of chicken. For months, I ate crickets and waterbugs and mealworms and grubs. I baked them, boiled them, ground them up—anything I could think of.

They. Are. Nasty.

They don’t taste like soap. There’s a distinct, vague, “buggy” flavor. They don’t taste like chicken or meat. They’re the flavor equivalent of a goddamn hair shirt. They taste like self-flagellation.

Plus you can’t find accurate macros for them anywhere, which defeated the point.

Grubs, though—they’re mostly fat—they’re actually all right. Like crispy salted butter.

 

[L50LasPak]

I tried bugs. Not for the planet, but because I needed absurd amounts of protein and I was fucking sick of chicken. For months, I ate crickets and waterbugs and mealworms and grubs. I baked them, boiled them, ground them up—anything I could think of.

They. Are. Nasty.

They don’t taste like soap. There’s a distinct, vague, “buggy” flavor. They don’t taste like chicken or meat. They’re the flavor equivalent of a goddamn hair shirt. They taste like self-flagellation.

Plus you can’t find accurate macros for them anywhere, which defeated the point.

Grubs, though—they’re mostly fat—they’re actually all right. Like crispy salted butter.

Did you just eat fistfuls of them cooked or like, were they processed at all though? I always imagined they'd need to go through a chemical process to be ground, dried, and bleached to be palatable.

Grubs are apparently pretty tasty. I'd have more trouble making it past their flabbiness than some kind of carapace though, and the latter still makes me gag just thinking about it.

....also where the fuck did you get enough bugs to try that many different preparations?