Is social ostracism (not public ridicule but banning) at all effective? - Nowadays the logic of twitter bans, brought to you by the same Democratic Base as the prison-industrial complex, is to ban what they hope to fix

Haim Arlosoroff

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The liberal base in America has lost to Conservatives before, they tried to mock allegiance to Trump back in 2015, if only we knew then about Trump what we know now, and lost because we elevated Trump to the position of God-King and Noble Tyrant. They tried to fight Trump on his actions toward women, and Clinton's previous flings were brought over. They tried to attack Kavanaugh dressed as little red riding hood and screaming about Hollywood's vices as if they were America's, and they merely normalized mobs at the Capitol Building. Deflecting their attacks, with unironic advocacy, has been the primary weapon to fight neo-liberal progressivism. But we knew that, just not how to hit them back on deplatforming, debanking, firing, and rendering homeless the base of the Right in a way that frustrates them into feckless resignation.

They hate us but surely they cannot misunderstand their need to conspire to alleviate themselves from the 'gross' rural conservative influences in American culture (to the point of impoverishing), and not understand why the KKK exist? But they do, their tactics & hatred are justified because when they cast us out it is a legitimate tactic. Because they are able to cast us out and exclude us in greater society while pretending they only ban us. They want us to forget that they want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny.

Kiwi Farms, what if Anti-White Liberals were to be told they are not responsible for this disparity: Blacks Queer Anti-TERF Feminists get banned as well where Facebook's senior staff are two-thirds white and 87% of their coders are are Asian(48%) or White(39%). White "overrepresentation" in those bannings are in the number of social media posts removed and little evidence exists that white conservatives face discrimination in the social media bannings.

However, America cannot be for smaller prison populations and inclusivity half the time, the modern prison system in America cleans up our streets like the progressive banks and social media companies want desperately to clean up the subreddits and hashtags of the filth and muck that has collected there ruining their image of a perfect clean environment. Nobody really benefits from praising prisons and facebook, but the powers that be cannot say they made the world a better place for all. Racist cops are either responsible for this disparity: Blacks get arrested at the same high rates in cities like Atlanta and Washington where the political establishment is almost entirely African-American and the police forces reflect the population's ethnic makeup. Or they are, but Anti-White Liberals were responsible for their disparity of outcome. By careful curation society and social media have both been made to represent a false consensus where the ne'er-do-wells are excluded in the pretense of making a liberal utopia without any of the unclean real elements.

Hitting progressives with this contradiction in logic, I think, will bring about a headache that just might shake something loose culturally. Their counter arguments might justify forms of Racism and Right-WIng societal norms like forming communities of Non-Color, ones strictly against Bourgeois Faggotry, or maybe against other personal degenerations. The same progressives who believe that there is no reason to assume that a smaller correctional system inevitably means a more equitable correctional system think that debanking, firing, and rendering homeless more whites (and increasingly European culture lacking neoliberal social mores) inevitably means a more equitable social media environment. But does it?

TL;DR - White people are targeted online like Black people are targeted offline, either cops and facebook are responsible in both cases for the outcome or the offenders are in both cases.
 
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Self-styled progressives have relentlessly derided America's modern prison system as a racist, profit-driven monster that enriches corporations and wastes tax dollars while doing little to reduce crime, but the broken logic hiding behind it is far worse. It makes us safe. That is the sum total; it makes America seem less dangerous and social issues seem solvable by tossing lives away. But does it? The same liberals who believe that there is no reason to assume that a smaller correctional system inevitably means a more equitable correctional system think that debanking, firing. and rendering homeless more whites (and increasingly European culture lacking neoliberal social mores) inevitably means a more equitable social media environment.​
You cannot be for smaller prison populations and inclusivity half the time, you cannot pretend to not understand the modern prison system in America and want desperately to clean up the subreddits and hashtags of the filth and muck that has collected there ruining your image of a clean environment. They cannot misunderstand their need to conspire to alleviate themselves from the gross rural conservative influences in American culture (to the point of impoverishing), and not understand why the KKK exist. They cast out and exclude while pretending they do not. They hate. But we knew that, just not how to hit them back in a way that frustrates them into feckless resignation.
As a progressive liberal who believes there is no reason to assume that a smaller correctional system inevitably means a more equitable correctional system and also thinks that debanking, firing, and rendering homeless more whites (and increasingly European culture lacking neoliberal social mores) inevitably means a more equitable social media environment, I am shocked that you would come here -- to this forum, where so many like I congregate, and try to tell me that I cannot be for smaller prison populations and inclusivity half the time, I cannot pretend to not understand the modern prison system in America and want desperately to clean up the subreddits and hashtags of the filth and muck that has collected there ruining your image of a clean environment. I can, in fact, misunderstand my need to conspire to alleviate myself from the gross rural conservative influences in American culture (to the point of impoverishing), and I do not understand why the KKK exist. I will not be frustrated into feckless resignation.
 

Kujo Jotaro

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Self-styled progressives have relentlessly derided America's modern prison system as a racist, profit-driven monster that enriches corporations and wastes tax dollars while doing little to reduce crime, but the broken logic hiding behind it is far worse. It makes us safe. That is the sum total; it makes America seem less dangerous and social issues seem solvable by tossing lives away. But does it? The same liberals who believe that there is no reason to assume that a smaller correctional system inevitably means a more equitable correctional system think that debanking, firing. and rendering homeless more whites (and increasingly European culture lacking neoliberal social mores) inevitably means a more equitable social media environment.

Hitting liberals with this contradiction in logic, I think, will bring about a headache that just might shake something loose. On the surface, little evidence exists that black criminals face discrimination in the criminal-justice system. Black "overrepresentation" in that system is in the number of criminals arrested. Racist cops aren't responsible for this disparity: Blacks get arrested at the same high rates in cities like Atlanta and Washington where the political establishment is almost entirely African-American and the police forces reflect the population's ethnic makeup. However, little evidence exists that white conservatives face discrimination in the social media bannings. White "overrepresentation" in those bannings are in the number of social media posts removed. Racist Liberals aren't responsible for this disparity: Blacks Queer Anti-TERF Feminists get banned as well where the senior staff are two-thirds white and 87% of their coders are are Asian(48%) or White(39%). But we know that is half the picture, by careful curation society and social media have both been made to represent a false consensus where the ne'er-do-wells are excluded in the pretense of making a liberal utopia without any of the unclean real elements. Nobody really benefits, but the powers that be can say them made the world a better place for all.

You cannot be for smaller prison populations and inclusivity half the time, you cannot pretend to not understand the modern prison system in America and want desperately to clean up the subreddits and hashtags of the filth and muck that has collected there ruining your image of a clean environment. They cannot misunderstand their need to conspire to alleviate themselves from the gross rural conservative influences in American culture (to the point of impoverishing), and not understand why the KKK exist. They cast out and exclude while pretending they do not. They hate. But we knew that, just not how to hit them back in a way that frustrates them into feckless resignation.
Go outside
 

ZeCommissar

This paper contains all the reasons you're a fag
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Hitting liberals with this contradiction in logic, I think, will bring about a headache that just might shake something loose
Did you just discover politics and the internet? No amount of arguing is going to make someone "change their mind" online regardless of political affiliation. This is especially true when dealing with "fringe" groups like SJWs and Alt-Right. You can pull out stats and facts out your ass all day long and people will just shit out their own "facts" that adhere exactly to their worldview. It is utterly pointless to argue online for the sake of changing minds. For every 100 people you talk to you might get one to actually care and think about what you say, and they still probably won't change their mind.
 

Austrian Conscript 1915

Ayyy lmao
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Did you just discover politics and the internet? No amount of arguing is going to make someone "change their mind" online regardless of political affiliation. This is especially true when dealing with "fringe" groups like SJWs and Alt-Right. You can pull out stats and facts out your ass all day long and people will just shit out their own "facts" that adhere exactly to their worldview. It is utterly pointless to argue online for the sake of changing minds. For every 100 people you talk to you might get one to actually care and think about what you say, and they still probably won't change their mind.
it's hard to change my mind because all the facts align with my worldview. all other facts are made up nonsense designed to poison the well and muddy the water
 

Auntie Fester

TERF Rights Are Human Rights
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Did you just discover politics and the internet? No amount of arguing is going to make someone "change their mind" online regardless of political affiliation. This is especially true when dealing with "fringe" groups like SJWs and Alt-Right. You can pull out stats and facts out your ass all day long and people will just shit out their own "facts" that adhere exactly to their worldview. It is utterly pointless to argue online for the sake of changing minds. For every 100 people you talk to you might get one to actually care and think about what you say, and they still probably won't change their mind.
To add to this, persuasion is entirely dependent on individual context and if that person is reciprocal. Life isn't a game where you have to pass a speech check or max out your linguistic ability to persuade people.

The best means to convince people that something is bad is to let them experience the negative consequences of it. It's about getting a foot in the door first. For example, if someone who is pro gun-control is mugged at knife-point, they'll likely be in a more suggestible position, so long as you don't come across like an overly strong-headed autist.

The reason normal people en masse are so adverse to Nazism for example, is because the consequences of the philosophy are easily tied to WW2 and the Holocaust.
 

Stoneheart

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The reason normal people en masse are so adverse to Nazism for example, is because the consequences of the philosophy are easily tied to WW2 and the Holocaust.
WW2 started with Poland trying to genocide germans in Danzig. they also attacked first.
the whole gleiwitz Conspiracy is as real as bush doing 9/11...

People dislike it mostly because of Propaganda, not for some real reasons.
 

CisnaHeat3994

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Really wish the autistic rating is still available in deep thoughts so I can give it to the OP

Regardless, social ostracizations won't actually change minds on its own. People who hold ostracizable positions would probably just build echo chamber communities. It probably will have an effect on children who will grow up in the future understanding certain opinions and subjects of the time are taboo.
 

mario if smoke weed

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Too long, didn't read.

Social ostracization doesn't make people change their tune unless they're pathetically afraid of being alone.
 
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