Is the SJW-pocalypse in comics just another symptom of a general lack of creativity? -

[jorgoth]

This came from an intuition on my part, but it can be backed up by two very key pieces of evidence.

1. The Ultimates universe. Basically, this was Marvel creating an alternate timeline in which every storyline is cannibalized from the cream of the crop from Universe 616. No filler storylines, no fighting Magneto 7-8 times in the span of 3 years, every storyline was an origin story or a Dark Phoenix/Galactus tier storyline. The writer for Ultimate Spider Man said it best when he said that Ultimates Peter Parker would never leave high school, the Ultimates was basically nothing but high production value creative stagnation. And the SJW bullshit didn't really kick into high gear until after the Ultimates were cancelled, which was an admission on Marvel Comics's part that they had basically run out of past storylines to rip off.

2. The MCU, specifically that Disney waited until after the MCU's peak with Avengers Endgame to roll out the SJW bullshit movies, the ones with gay Eternals and female Thor. There's not really that much you can do with the MCU once you kill Thanos and get rid of Iron Man and white Captain America. Dark Phoenix was a dud and even Galactus would be underwhelming in comparison. So the best they can do is to make the old superheros gay/female. If we can agree that the MCU is basically the comics universe on an expedited timeline, then maybe what holds true for the MCU's creative arc (SJW bullshit being a symptom of a general creative exhaustion) is true for the comics as well.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

I'd argue it's a mix between trying not to offend the "sensitive snowflakes" on the internet Hollywood having exhausted everything they can think of, so they have to pander to the lowest common denominator.

Back then, it used to be the people who laughed at fart jokes and Random Access Humor. Nowadays it's the easily triggered type.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Lack of creativity, but on whose part?
If you're speaking of the industry in general, consider: every few years, the comics industry "reboots" their respective universes so they can update their characters to more modern settings. This results in similar stories being published- the same product but in a different wrapper. The bigger companies are less likely to take risks or try something different than smaller ones and indie creators.
If you're speaking of the SJWs, here's something I wrote in the Dobson thread that I think answers your question:

There's a reason it's called "the culture war" and not "the culture spat." The SJWs view culture as territory to be conquered. So like an invading army announcing each enemy city they capture, they gleefully announce each franchise they dominate (an example: when Doctor Who was revealed to have been a fat black woman in a previous incarnation, the usual suspects came out of the woodwork to announce that they had Doctor Who. No, not that they had their own Doctor Who, but that they had successfully taken Doctor Who from the original fans.) It's why they don't create their own characters. They will take popular culture from the Others (i.e., non-SJWs), and if the Others fight back, then the SJWs will burn it to the ground to spite the Others. If the SJWs can't have a franchise, then nobody will.
In particular, they have a hateboner for straight men. They attack anything straight men like whenever possible. It's why they dislike anime. Sure, there's strong female characters, but there are also waifus for straight men, and so anime must fall. For now, though, it seems like Japan isn't going to bend the knee to the leftist gaijin anytime soon.
As for why their view of "strength" is basically high school bullying... well, it's a reflection of who they are: they're bullies. They beat people into submission because they know they can get away with it, and if someone fights back they can call some greater authority with cries of "Racism!" and "Sexism!" and "Phobia!" When such authority isn't in easy reach, or someone isn't afraid of said authority, they crumple. It's why Jonathan Yaniv, for example, goes after women and migrants, but leaves Null alone: because he knows he can bully women and migrants into submission, but Null isn't going to knuckle under his threats and is willing to face Yaniv in court.
The bright side to all of this is that they're working their way through the nice little people at a ferocious rate. Sooner or later, they're going to come against someone who isn't going to bow to their whims and isn't afraid of their legal threats.

 

[break these cuffs]

It isn't new or unique to capeshit. For the past decade or two the number of sequels decades after an initial release, restarting an old series, adapting books/comics/games/whatever to a new media, etc has become the norm. The executives in charge learned that they can just be lazy and still make money until they don't. Now instead of coming up with new ideas they're just chasing a social trend because it's popular in the media. It's part ideological on some level because various writers/actors/personalities are into it, but it's also laziness/fear on the part of executives trying to greenlight something they think is safe. A market like comics is shrinking and they're trying to hang on to what little they have rather than take a risk that might revitalize or sink them.

I'd argue it's a mix between trying not to offend the "sensitive snowflakes" on the internet Hollywood having exhausted everything they can think of, so they have to pander to the lowest common denominator.

Back then, it used to be the people who laughed at fart jokes and Random Access Humor. Nowadays it's the easily triggered type.

You can still find new and interesting things in indie, along with all the shit that's always been indie, it's just rehashing "thing you know" is generally safe. Pandering to a current social trend should be profitable, but the people they're appealing to generally don't have anything but a superficial interest in the product to begin with.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I can't wait until the next spider-man reboot and as Uncle ben lays dying, he tells Peter that he was trans and dressed up in Aunt May's clothes and wants to be buried under his Transexual name.

 

[CheezzyMach]

I agree with break these cuffs SJW shit in comics/media is just Big Media chasing a trend/fad just like how everything in the 90s had the sex and violence turned up to 11 and it will eventually pass.

Wokeshit isn't killing media that wasn't already going the way of the dinosaur due to various factors. * Western video games are booming in spite of woke garbage *

It's the flu in a terminal cancer patient so to speak.

 

[crocodilian]

The comics industry is a business. All businesses will, inevitably, be usurped by its accountants (and other money-obsessed individuals) who have no genuine interest in the creative endeavors, nor innovations, that allowed the business to grow initially. This always happens. There are never exceptions. No industry is safe.

With money-minded people at the helm, the business will abhor the idea of "doing something new" — chiefly to assure investors that their money is safe, and also because mimicking what works does tend to work — and this mindset will push out those less interested in compromising their creative vision for a profit. As a result, those remaining (again: non-creative, profit-obsessed individuals) will seek out replacements in an effort to keep the gravy train rolling.

Being the imagination-deprived people they are, these people will go the obvious route. They will say to themselves "we need someone trained to be creative." Where do you get verifiable 'training'? Schools. What sort of people do art schools create nowadays? There's your answer.

 

[NIGGER ASS PEE POOPY RAPE]

the reason is because only bitches and faggots read comic books now and Marvel is just giving their audience what they want. but why did the demographic of comic book readers go from being mostly straight white male nerds to being mostly bitches and faggots over the last couple decades? my theory is that it's because of video games. in the 70s, 80s and early 90s all video games were two dimensional and nobody actually enjoyed playing 2D video games very much. if you're completely honest with yourself you will realize that you don't really enjoy 2D video games either when you could be playing a far superior three dimensional video game instead. compare Ultima VIII to Ultima Underworld. compare SMW to SM64. compare GTA2 to GTA3. 2D video games are just inferior and significantly less fun for most people than 3D games and the only appeal of them now is nostalgia. I'm aware that pointing out the inferiority of 2D video games is very upsetting to some people, it's like punching a baby in a stroller, but if you look at the numbers the vast majority of people prefer 3D games.

that is why so many kids/manchildren enjoyed reading comics a few decades ago, because comics were better at competing with video games for people's time back then. comics had a higher entertainment value than they do now. but there are some types of people who aren't mentally capable of enjoying video games at all: bitches and faggots. bitches have never been interested in any video games other than shit like Farmville and The Sims and faggots are just men with feminine brains. so while most male nerds have ditched comic books in favor of the far more fun hobby of playing video games, most gay and female nerds aren't intelligent enough to appreciate video games so they spend their time reading comic books and watching capeshit movies instead. you'll also notice every video game that panders to the gay bitch community like Life is Strange is just a movie that you must hold up on the analog stick and press X repeatedly to watch.

 

[CheezzyMach]

the reason is because only bitches and faggots read comic books now and Marvel is just giving their audience what they want. but why did the demographic of comic book readers go from being mostly straight white male nerds to being mostly bitches and faggots over the last couple decades? my theory is that it's because of video games. in the 70s, 80s and early 90s all video games were two dimensional and nobody actually enjoyed playing 2D video games very much. if you're completely honest with yourself you will realize that you don't really enjoy 2D video games either when you could be playing a far superior three dimensional video game instead. compare Ultima VIII to Ultima Underworld. compare SMW to SM64. compare GTA2 to GTA3. 2D video games are just inferior and significantly less fun for most people than 3D games and the only appeal of them now is nostalgia. I'm aware that pointing out the inferiority of 2D video games is very upsetting to some people, it's like punching a baby in a stroller, but if you look at the numbers the vast majority of people prefer 3D games.

that is why so many kids/manchildren enjoyed reading comics a few decades ago, because comics were better at competing with video games for people's time back then. comics had a higher entertainment value than they do now. but there are some types of people who aren't mentally capable of enjoying video games at all: bitches and faggots. bitches have never been interested in any video games other than shit like Farmville and The Sims and faggots are just men with feminine brains. so while most male nerds have ditched comic books in favor of the far more fun hobby of playing video games, most gay and female nerds aren't intelligent enough to appreciate video games so they spend their time reading comic books and watching capeshit movies instead. you'll also notice every video game that panders to the gay bitch community like Life is Strange is just a movie that you must hold up on the analog stick and press X repeatedly to watch.

The only people still reading comics are the Gen X/Boomer/rare Millennial male nerds who read them as kids that's the problem and why the industry as a whole latched on to the Woketrend so hard. They desperately want young people to buy their stuff and PC culture is the current fad in youth culture. When the Late Zoomers/Post GenZers grow up media will pander to them instead while Wokeshit goes the way of the Fundies.

 

[Easterling]

The MCU was never made for you or anyone that actually reads the books, why? becuase if they were then they wouldn't have a mass appeal, hence why comic books remain a niche which i'd argue is getting worse for marvel at least.

I'll straight up say that there are plenty of other series that haven't cucked to pressure from activists, Marvel is only one company and its being propped up by movies, thats litterally it. Now look at 2000 AD, the comics they make remain just as good as ever with slain and judge dredd. honestly the best thing i'd recomend is to try and find the more indie comics out there, either that or read stuff by dark horse, they still put out some pretty good stuff too.

 

[InsolentGaylord]

I agree with break these cuffs SJW shit in comics/media is just Big Media chasing a trend/fad just like how everything in the 90s had the sex and violence turned up to 11 and it will eventually pass.

Wokeshit isn't killing media that wasn't already going the way of the dinosaur due to various factors. * Western video games are booming in spite of woke garbage *

It's the flu in a terminal cancer patient so to speak.

"booming" nice buzzword.

New Colossus was a mega success and Doom flopped horribly.

No wait it was the other way around. Wokeness won't sell a product and when it does, it's due to brand recognition. Even BL3 clearly didn't catch on as well as 2 did in part thanks to wokeness ruining the writing.

 

[Syaoran Li]

the reason is because only bitches and faggots read comic books now and Marvel is just giving their audience what they want. but why did the demographic of comic book readers go from being mostly straight white male nerds to being mostly bitches and faggots over the last couple decades? my theory is that it's because of video games. in the 70s, 80s and early 90s all video games were two dimensional and nobody actually enjoyed playing 2D video games very much. if you're completely honest with yourself you will realize that you don't really enjoy 2D video games either when you could be playing a far superior three dimensional video game instead. compare Ultima VIII to Ultima Underworld. compare SMW to SM64. compare GTA2 to GTA3. 2D video games are just inferior and significantly less fun for most people than 3D games and the only appeal of them now is nostalgia. I'm aware that pointing out the inferiority of 2D video games is very upsetting to some people, it's like punching a baby in a stroller, but if you look at the numbers the vast majority of people prefer 3D games.

that is why so many kids/manchildren enjoyed reading comics a few decades ago, because comics were better at competing with video games for people's time back then. comics had a higher entertainment value than they do now. but there are some types of people who aren't mentally capable of enjoying video games at all: bitches and faggots. bitches have never been interested in any video games other than shit like Farmville and The Sims and faggots are just men with feminine brains. so while most male nerds have ditched comic books in favor of the far more fun hobby of playing video games, most gay and female nerds aren't intelligent enough to appreciate video games so they spend their time reading comic books and watching capeshit movies instead. you'll also notice every video game that panders to the gay bitch community like Life is Strange is just a movie that you must hold up on the analog stick and press X repeatedly to watch.

You were so close and then you veered off into sheer lunacy with the second half of the post.

There's a kernel of truth in your statement about how the rise of 3D video games ultimately ended the comics industry of old and led to what we see today, and I'll even add the rise of anime around the same time playing a role in it as well, and I think vidya and anime may BTFO comics yet again after the capeshit movie fad dies since manga is outselling comics and Disney mainly bought Marvel for the IP's and as it is, only keeps Marvel Comics afloat as a promotional tool for their MCU stuff.

The comics industry's biggest problem is now the audience of dangerhair sows and bearded bugmen they pander towards and who stan for Marvel and DC don't actually buy the comics for the most part and mostly just consoom MCU movies and merchandise, and now the MCU has already hit its peak and is scraping the bottom of the barrel.


Much like how the anime boom of the 2000's was followed by weeb shaming in the 2010's, I'd imagine the 2010's capeshit fad will likely be followed by some form of cape shaming in the 2020's after the normies get sick of the MCU and with it, the whole "lol so geeky" trend finally dies out for good, and Hollywood starts chasing whatever the next big trend will be (my money is on war movies, given 1917 and Midway) and the MCU's downfall is looking a lot more likely to happen sooner that any of us could've predicted.

Once the MCU stops being a license to print money, expect capeshit movies to slowly become a lot more scarce in Hollywood for a while. That said, the comics industry itself will reformulate yet again and follow the next trend.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Pretty much yeah, after 40 odd years their isnt really anything more to be done or said with these characters. But they have to stumble on anyway.

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

I do unfortunately think we'll another manga bubble burst soon 'cause there's just so many niche garbage titles getting licensed now that literally nobody wants.

 

[Pissmaster]

Hell, you try to write an engaging, creative story whilst in the confines of what's acceptable in the eyes of ResetEra. Humor is completely out of the question, and you've got a whole list of shit you can't depict at all, whilst also needing to have some kind of woke representation. The unbelievable list of rules stifles the hell out of creativity, so all you end up with is a ton of samey mush nobody actually enjoys.

And that's all required not because it sells or anything, it's just to not rile up a bunch of mentally ill retards on Twitter who'll campaign towards your sponsors and retailers to pull support and drop you, and then drag your real name through the mud so you won't be able to find work. Even if you do all you can to appeal to that crowd, you'll still just get ignored. They're not a meritocracy, they practice cronyism. And in that system, all that matters is your social standing. Be on the very top, and you can get away with murder. Literally.

 

[CheezzyMach]

The MCU was never made for you or anyone that actually reads the books, why? becuase if they were then they wouldn't have a mass appeal, hence why comic books remain a niche which i'd argue is getting worse for marvel at least.

I'll straight up say that there are plenty of other series that haven't cucked to pressure from activists, Marvel is only one company and its being propped up by movies, thats litterally it. Now look at 2000 AD, the comic they make remain just as good as ever with slain and judge dredd. honestly the best thing i'd recomend is to try and find the more indie comics out there, either that or read stuff by dark horse, they still up out some pretty good stuff too.

Dynamite told the wokespergs to kiss Vampirella's bountiful pale ass too when they got uppity over a cheesecake cover.

The ONLY reason why Marvel's able to get away with shit like New Warriors and the Rainbow Riders is because they're a tick on the ass of the MCU juggernaut every publisher outside the Big 2 can't do that stuff because they don't have a megacorp sugarmommy to foot the bill. And given how Corona Chan's currently ass raping Disney with a spiked dildo they might start tightening the leash.

"booming" nice buzzword.

New Colossus was a mega success and Doom flopped horribly.

No wait it was the other way around. Wokeness won't sell a product and when it does, it's due to brand recognition. Even BL3 clearly didn't catch on as well as 2 did in part thanks to wokeness ruining the writing.

MK 11 sold over 12 million copies despite it's woke shit design the only Japanese fighter that surpassed that was Smash Bros. Tekken 7 and Street Fighter V the biggest Japanese 3D and 2D Tourney fighters despite being years old combined still don't reach that number.

Soyder-Man PS4,Dad of War and Horizon Zero Ass were also high earners for woke Sony.

OverWatch still prints money despite Blizzard's pandering.

And Activision and EA are still shitting out golden eggs with COD and sports games

Point being if your industry is healthy and mainstream the wokefad will just be a bad cold to get over.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I do remember hearing some people in the mid to late 2000s already saying that comic books had run out of steam, long, long before the rise of woke.

Remember the negative receptions for Spider-Man: One Last Day and All Star Batman & Robin?

People also used to complain about comics in the 2000s being edgy for edgy's sake, like what they did to Speedball in Civil War or that Spider-Man what if story where Mary Janes dies from Peter Parker's radioactive sperm, it's hilarious that now comics are the polar opposite of that edgy era.

I think there's a clear pattern here and it's one of simply not really knowing what the hell to do, just taking things in one extreme or the other to see what sticks.

And I think that stems from the sad fact that comic books, if we're talking single issue floppies, are simply a dated medium and have been long before even the rise of digital media.

 

[CheezzyMach]

I do remember hearing some people in the mid to late 2000s already saying that comic books had run out of steam, long, long before the rise of woke.

Remember the negative receptions for Spider-Man: One Last Day and All Star Batman & Robin?

People also used to complain about comics in the 2000s being edgy for edgy's sake, like what they did to Speedball in Civil War or that Spider-Man what if story where Mary Janes dies from Peter Parker's radioactive sperm, it's hilarious that now comics are the polar opposite of that edgy era.

I think there's a clear pattern here and it's one of simply not really knowing what the hell to do, just taking things in one extreme or the other to see what sticks.

And I think that stems from the sad fact that comic books, if we're talking single issue floppies, are simply a dated medium and have been long before even the rise of digital media.

Pretty much, late 2000s comics were god awful too just in the opposite direction.

 

[Pissmaster]

MK 11 sold over 12 million copies despite it's woke shit design the only Japanese fighter that surpassed that was Smash Bros. Tekken 7 and Street Fighter V the biggest Japanese 3D and 2D Tourney fighters despite being years old combined still don't reach that number.

Soyder-Man PS4,Dad of War and Horizon Zero Ass were also high earners for woke Sony.

OverWatch still prints money despite Blizzard's pandering.

And Activision and EA are still shitting out golden eggs with COD and sports games

Point being if your industry is healthy and mainstream the wokefad will just be a bad cold to get over.

What was woke in MK11? All I remember reading about was that some of the women had breast reductions, and Johnny Cage was patched from playing the circle game to flipping off the camera. (And that the Switch port was sort of shitty)

Overwatch's popularity has been falling down for a while, and didn't they have some backlash over Sigma just because he's an older white man?

I can't really comment on the rest, I'm not a PlayStation guy at all, and I'm certainly not a CoD or sports guy.

The gaming industry is indeed very healthy at the moment, but there's a damn good reason Japanese games have really picked up over the last few years. They were in a serious rut there for a long time, but they're getting noticed again en masse, and Japan's been putting out some fucking fire ass titles, like Breath of the Wild and Persona 5, while the west.. hasn't been. Even when western games aren't over-the-top woke, there's something to be said about the lack of creativity. How the hell did the company that made Banjo-Kazooie and Goldeneye release something as dull as Sea of Thieves? And that was their one fucking game for the entire decade? Holy shit.

 

[Easterling]

I think vidya and anime may BTFO comics yet again after the capeshit movie fad dies since manga is outselling comics and Disney mainly bought Marvel for the IP's and as it is, only keeps Marvel Comics afloat as a promotional tool for their MCU stuff.

I'd say the popularity of Manga is to do with the anime adaptations for the most part. On top of that they just seem to put a great deal more effort into what they produce lately, they cut out the middle man by being mostly black and white giving the artist more time to produce some really good pannels. The decline in standards in the west gives the east a net advantage, plus even they do capeshit now with stuff like my hero acedemia, just with thier own spin.