Is the truth now a form of harassment? - The ethics of doxxing

[TiggerNits]

This site is considered to be at the heart of the internet phenomena known as "Doxxing" which is sweeping the nation, I guess. People out one another online as morons in real life and vice versa and all of a sudden everyone is shitting bricks over the moral dilemmas of punishing people in other parts of the country for wrong think by sending tweets they made to their bosses, parents, teachers and loved ones to make them look like shitty people.

But at it's very core, isn't doxxing nothing more than telling the truth about someone? If someone goes out and says dumb shit online and you have proof they're a shit-heel, does showing that to others make you a monster? If someone is elected to government and then goes out and trashes their electorate online towhich they get outed, is that a form of harassment or is it simply activism?

Why has telling the truth and illuminating the facts of others online become such a dirty thing that a new word had to be invented, and why did they make sure that word had an almost pornographic aesthetic to it? Why does telling the truth to someone's employer about the nature of their employee's activities seem to upset so many people, when they use the same tactics against those who disagree with them? Maybe the post-modernist ideal of the subjective nature of truth is destroyed in this age where facts are so easily obtainable, so they have to be made opaque by delinquent sources?

Why does telling someone the truth always seem to hurt them so much more than a kind-hearted embellishment? Why is the truth a bad word now?

 

[ICametoLurk]

Yes

 

[Michel]

Doxxing in our community served several purposes, but believe it or not, none of them was harassment. With respect to your community, it was a tactic used to pop social bubbles, damage safe spaces, and lift a mirror up to your community. In that respect, it worked wonders, despite loving up hilariously a couple times - like when a 'double agent' informant got us to dox the Goatse guy. Let me tell you, I found it HILARIOUS, but there were those behind the scenes that were quite bitter about the trick. Whichever goon got us with that deserves a medal.

 

[TiggerNits]

Doxxing in our community served several purposes, but believe it or not, none of them was harassment. With respect to your community, it was a tactic used to pop social bubbles, damage safe spaces, and lift a mirror up to your community. In that respect, it worked wonders, despite loving up hilariously a couple times - like when a 'double agent' informant got us to dox the Goatse guy. Let me tell you, I found it HILARIOUS, but there were those behind the scenes that were quite bitter about the trick. Whichever goon got us with that deserves a medal.

The dude who did that was awesome, I agree.

I own a few small businesses, one of which does investigative work and is ran by my kid brother. They essentially doxx people for money, but as a measure for hiring people in to jobs where trust is very much needed due to the employee handling important things like large amounts of cash, credit card numbers, insurance info, etc. I'm just curious whats the difference between outting someone online pretending to be a black person and outting someone who lies about their degree from Georgetown on their resume, int he opinion of anyone who cares to input.

In my opinion, both are ultimately good because it keeps people from putting their trust in those who would take advantage of it or abuse it for self gain

 

[Loxiozzz]

I personally don't thinking doxing people who have a sketchy history/ known liars/ dangerous/ literally ask for it is wrong. It just sucks when the wrong person is targeted. Yeah you'd be telling the truth, but digging into someone's personal life is kinda wrong depending on who it is. Finding and announcing the power word of some rando on deviant art is unnecessary if all they do is draw fugly pictures. A pedophile, an abuser, or scam artist on the other hand deserve what they get. It's seen as morally wrong because you're putting someone's entire life online in one huge archive for the world to see. But morality goes completely out the window when you find out how disgusting they are and how they treat people irl.

 

[AnOminous]

Doxing has one x.

 

[TiggerNits]

Doxing has one x.

 

[DuskEngine]

Why has telling the truth and illuminating the facts of others online become such a dirty thing that a new word had to be invented

There were plenty of words for it like muckraking or opposition research.

It's just on the internet now.

 

[Hui]

There were plenty of words for it like muckraking or opposition research.

It's just on the internet now.

I think its mostly because shame.

 

[DonaldChump]

People dont like it because everyone's got skeletons in their closet. Not everybody is as bad as the people that get doxed here, but a lot of people have shit they're not proud of, lies they may have told, hearts broken. That sort of shit. And it can get particularly heated if some info comes from someone with a vendetta. You can manipulate dox just as much as you can manipulate the truth.

 

[WW 635]

All doxing is just publicly releasing info that's already public. Don't want your boss to know that you fap to hurtcore? How about you not post it on your Twitter?

 

[AnOminous]

There were plenty of words for it like muckraking or opposition research.

It's just on the internet now.

Muckraking was usually meant to serve some kind of journalistic purpose, and opposition research is to achieve a political goal by wrecking the opposition's shit. The Farms mainly do what they do for no real reason at all, just for the lulz. I wouldn't call it quite nihilistic but it is decidedly amoral and without any particular purpose.

Although recently, we've almost involuntarily gotten sucked into stuff with some practical motivation for defensive purposes.

 

[FuckBitchesGetRiches]

I personally don't thinking doxing people who have a sketchy history/ known liars/ dangerous/ literally ask for it is wrong. It just sucks when the wrong person is targeted. Yeah you'd be telling the truth, but digging into someone's personal life is kinda wrong depending on who it is. Finding and announcing the power word of some rando on deviant art is unnecessary if all they do is draw fugly pictures. A pedophile, an abuser, or scam artist on the other hand deserve what they get. It's seen as morally wrong because you're putting someone's entire life online in one huge archive for the world to see. But morality goes completely out the window when you find out how disgusting they are and how they treat people irl.

The problem is that in some circles, the definition of 'pedophile' (it's almost come to mean "any large age difference with puberty and adolescence being almost completely irrelevant) or 'abuser' is so loose, they've lost all meaning. People can claim someone abused them but the truth is that it either never happened (like what happened with Tumblr's xKit Guy - someone claimed to have been sexually abused by him and the mere claim sent people screeching to his inbox) or the abuser is blackmailing someone they dislike. People also take stuff out of context, hoping people don't look at the evidence.

Not everyone does this kind of stuff in good faith.

 

[Mrs Paul]

Depends on the reason for doing it. Doxing people like Nick Bate, I really don't give a shit. He's a fucking child molestor and he deserves what he gets. Then you have people who self-dox, like Chris, or Peter Guerin. They're stupid enough to post their own info, so it's their own fucking fault when other people find it. I don't put anything on the internet I don't want the public to know. That's just common fucking sense.

It's when you make an effort to track someone down, just because you don't like the person. Like say I don't like a Kiwi, so I spend a lot of time trying to find out where they live, and their personal info (phone number, work address, family members, etc), and post it here. THAT'S where doxing is fucked up. Or go after family members who have absolutely nothing to do with them, and are only remotely involved, or minors. (Borb wouldn't count)

But if you're going to do it, make DAMNED sure you get the right person. I believe someone tried to dox George Zimmerman on Twitter and got the wrong guy's info.

 

[DragoonSierra]

But if you're going to do it, make DAMNED sure you get the right person. I believe someone tried to dox George Zimmerman on Twitter and got the wrong guy's info.

Even more so for that situation because George Zimmerman is a piece of shit and deserved it.

 

[MW 002]

I'm of the agreement that it's fine when it's someone who legitimately deserves it, especially if they go out actively hurting other people.

But some person who draws weird art and doesn't volunteer their personal information? Just leave them alone, they're not hurting anyone.

 

[Hui]

I'm of the agreement that it's fine when it's someone who legitimately deserves it, especially if they go out actively hurting other people.

But some person who draws weird art and doesn't volunteer their personal information? Just leave them alone, they're not hurting anyone.

How/why was kiwifarms founded and what has it become for 500?

 

[DonaldChump]

All doxing is just publicly releasing info that's already public. Don't want your boss to know that you fap to hurtcore? How about you not post it on your Twitter?

I would agree except sometimes dox is just rumors that came from word of mouth. Look at what happened with Shmorky's thread. His ex girlfriend came in and while I believe her, and can believe that what she said happened actually happened, it is just her saying that. And then it falls on everybody else to look at Shmorky's shitty character and personality and his past behavior and say, "Yeah I can believe that happened".

If she wants it to be true enough she could have made up a lie and everybody would believe it because it's hilarious that he's that fucking shitty of a human being, they want it to be true because it's the cherry on top of the turd swirl on the shitty sundae. Dudes already a piece of shit so it's extra funny if you up the ante. Anybody can say anything about him at that point and his reputation is so trashed that nothing he can do would deflect the accusation, and the accuser will get a lot of positive attention and validation because of it. That's where it becomes morally vague.

His shit really blew up once that other lady came through with chatlogs and transcripts.

Nobody, on paper, would say they have a problem with telling the truth, but really a lot of people live a life of little white lies that you dont even realize you're making. Wife getting fat? Nah, she still looks good, Im just as attracted as I always have been. Unsatisfied with your boyfriends performance, or dick size? He cant change it so you might as well just fake an orgasm to avoid the pitfalls of digging into the dick size issue and the fragile male ego. You arent a racist, are you? Nah, but when I was a kid a black dude stole my bike, so I make sure to not bring my bike to the "bad neighborhood". None of those are really bad things to say, they all absolutely address some truth, but people arent going to come out and just be so blunt, maybe even just to protect themselves because they dont want to admit the truth.

Everybody can cheer for the nazi getting punched in the face, but a lot of people can also empathize with being punched in the face.

Nobody wants their dirt made public and honestly the one way to sure-fire become a shitty person is to start a habit of lying to cover your tracks so your boss doesnt find out you fap to hurt core. Because once you lie to your boss, you gotta lie to your friends, you gotta make it consistent so you lie to your parents and girlfriend, then youre lying about what you did Thursday because you certainly werent fapping to hurtcore. Eventually you arent even the same person you were when you started out. The tower is built from a thousand bricks. If you move one it all comes down. The more invested you are in it, the more dirty you're willing to get to keep it upright.

 

[WW 635]

I would agree except sometimes dox is just rumors that came from word of mouth. Look at what happened with Shmorky's thread. His ex girlfriend came in and while I believe her, and can believe that what she said happened actually happened, it is just her saying that. And then it falls on everybody else to look at Shmorky's shitty character and personality and his past behavior and say, "Yeah I can believe that happened".

If she wants it to be true enough she could have made up a lie and everybody would believe it because it's hilarious that he's that fucking shitty of a human being, they want it to be true because it's the cherry on top of the turd swirl on the shitty sundae. Dudes already a piece of shit so it's extra funny if you up the ante. Anybody can say anything about him at that point and his reputation is so trashed that nothing he can do would deflect the accusation, and the accuser will get a lot of positive attention and validation because of it. That's where it becomes morally vague.

His shit really blew up once that other lady came through with chatlogs and transcripts.

Nobody, on paper, would say they have a problem with telling the truth, but really a lot of people live a life of little white lies that you dont even realize you're making. Wife getting fat? Nah, she still looks good, Im just as attracted as I always have been. Unsatisfied with your boyfriends performance, or dick size? He cant change it so you might as well just fake an orgasm to avoid the pitfalls of digging into the dick size issue and the fragile male ego. You arent a racist, are you? Nah, but when I was a kid a black dude stole my bike, so I make sure to not bring my bike to the "bad neighborhood". None of those are really bad things to say, they all absolutely address some truth, but people arent going to come out and just be so blunt, maybe even just to protect themselves because they dont want to admit the truth.

Everybody can cheer for the nazi getting punched in the face, but a lot of people can also empathize with being punched in the face.

Nobody wants their dirt made public and honestly the one way to sure-fire become a shitty person is to start a habit of lying to cover your tracks so your boss doesnt find out you fap to hurt core. Because once you lie to your boss, you gotta lie to your friends, you gotta make it consistent so you lie to your parents and girlfriend, then youre lying about what you did Thursday because you certainly werent fapping to hurtcore. Eventually you arent even the same person you were when you started out. The tower is built from a thousand bricks. If you move one it all comes down. The more invested you are in it, the more dirty you're willing to get to keep it upright.

Lol calm down

 

[Mrs Paul]

How/why was kiwifarms founded and what has it become for 500?

They didn't say you couldn't make fun of them. Just don't dox them.