Is the Woke Left a Vanguard for the Establishment? -

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I've been thinking about this for a while, and rather than derail another thread, I thought that it would be better to give it its own thread.

I believe that it is clear that the powers that be in our Neoliberal order are embracing a generic "wokeness" as evident in advertising, Hollywood, Big Tech, government, etc. Many on the "Right" are convinced that this means that we are sliding towards socialism or that the Establishment has been "hijacked" by the Far Left. Personally, I don't think this is the case. Most conservatives are simply in denial as to the nature of the Establishment and why they've embraced this general woke trend.

The reason why the Establishment tolerates it, or even promotes it is because those in power believe that it will serve their ends. For example, Feminism serves the best interest of the establishment by getting women out of the home and into the workforce. "Anti-racism" serves the Establishment's ends by promoting racial "harmony" so that their business interests won't be damaged by things such as riots. As for sexuality, sex sells. Those in power learned long ago that tranny LARPing and gay marriage doesn't really threaten their power. You get the idea.

However, there's another, more insidious aspect about the "wokening" of the Establishment. Not only does the Woke Left serve the Establishment by pushing it's agenda for it, but it also detracts from issues that would threaten corporate power such as class and wealth concentration. It gives the Far Left - or at least those that think that they are - an avenue to vent their frustration without really threatening the people that they claim to oppose. Should you bring up this irony, you'll be shouted down as a "class reductionist," and so the sham continues.

I'd like to see everyone's thoughts on this.
 

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>Is the Woke Left a Vanguard for the Establishment?

Does the Pope shit in the woods?

The corporations that really run things find Woke Leftism to be a very useful tool for them.

Personally, I believe that the ideologies that all coalesced into Woke Leftism did emerge organically as a generational backlash against the final years of the Religious Right and the wider zeitgeists of the Bush years but it wasn't until Occupy Wall Street in 2011 and early 2012 that we see a major shift.

All of a sudden these fringe ideologies previously confined to places like Tumblr blogs, college campuses, and the punk scene became a lot more widespread and a lot more powerful within mainstream society. The corporations knew that by pushing race conflicts and gender conflicts, they could avoid a class conflict.
 

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They've actually been doing this for a lot longer than you might think. Dividing the general public by stirring racial tensions has always been a great way to reduce class unity.

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The funny thing is that a lot of Wokeists are somewhat cognisant of this themselves when they reference Lyndon B. Johnson's "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket" quote. But they don't connect the dots and realise that convincing "POCs" to hate white people instead of organising everyone along class lines serves the exact same purpose, only the groups being favoured and the groups being scapegoated have merely been reversed.
 

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I've been thinking about this since I've noticed a particular brand of reddit shill pushing for "all or nothing" communism. Specifically, it's the whole "no ethical consumption under capitalism" line a lot of reddit shills love to spew.
Now I have little faith in internet communists, but I'm at least aware that the original intent of that line is probably not "just give up lol and buy whatever you want." And yet that's exactly how I see it used, and it's specifically in places where people are discussing changing their consumption behavior, like minimalism type subs. These shills will swoop in whenever someone talks about changing their consumption patterns, remind them "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism," and derail the conversation into something about how people can't change corporation's behavior and that's why we need socialism/communism/whatever they want to call it. But in the meantime, don't worry so much! You can't create change as an individual.

Because it didn't make sense to me, why would corporations ever want to embrace the woke left which is way too communist-adjacent to make any good capitalist comfortable? Shouldn't they want to stay way the fuck away from that? But it's actually creating kind of a doomer mindset where these people continue consuming but put their energy into activism instead to make "real change." It's never going to work, the world is never going to all shift over to friendly local communism, and so their over-consumption will never need to change.

I don't necessarily think that's THE PLAN that someone set out to accomplish but it is certainly a happy coincidence for corporations.
 

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Yes. Last year one of the biggest wealth transfers in human history happened and nobody noticed because wokescolds were unleashed, shaming those not wearing a mask or having white skin. If it works so well, why stop?

Ultimately the endgame is for the (((elite))) to pull up the social ladder and let the white working and middle classes get annihilated so they can have their unthinking beige consoomer class who are happy to eat bug paste and live in pods. The white upper class will just retreat to their gated communities and let the white problem take care of itself.
 

DiscoRodeo

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I think that we're honestly just seeing history repeat itself.

Most "radical" youth today seem to have a lot of parallels to the hippies of the 60s, whom some previous left wing intellectuals rightfully hated and called out for basically just being hedonistic liberals, and other left wing intellectuals loved.

Of course corporations loved to promote the hippie stuff while ignoring their own systemic problems. Free love and drugs? Allright. People want to move away from traditional methods of life and get gay wicker basket furniture and run around wearing a persian rug? You go girl. Had an old university professor who was a young adult in the 60s and I remember him saying, "We didnt all know what we were protesting for, but we knew it was important"- yeah, fuck off. "Changing the world by smoking ayahuasca is so important.

I don't think its an insidious push from corporations to shift the culture towards stupid things, but more they see this crowd of people forming and latch onto them to distract from their own fuckups. Coca cola has anti-whiteness training, for instance, and noone cares about the whole death squad in Latin America debackle anymore. Nike. Fucking Nike on with race shit.

It doesn't bother me so much anymore to be honest. Actual class issues arent going to be addressed, but the modern SJW is going to get their come up-ins like the hippies did. One day, when the 70s come, theyll wake up and suddenly Ms Sunflower trying to peddle her shit is going to fall apart when someone tells her to get a real job in an office. Sure, some cultural things will remain that get appropriated the same way free love did after the 60s and these SJWS will look back fondly at "The Summer of Love they changed the world", but the more innane stuff? Thatll get memory holed or shat on. Where I see myself now is, these people are going to devolve into smart hippies who either moved on when the party ended, or become drug addict hippies on a permanent basis. Theyll have to face their shit eventually anyways.
 
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jje100010001

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I've been thinking about this for a while, and rather than derail another thread, I thought that it would be better to give it its own thread.

I believe that it is clear that the powers that be in our Neoliberal order are embracing a generic "wokeness" as evident in advertising, Hollywood, Big Tech, government, etc. Many on the "Right" are convinced that this means that we are sliding towards socialism or that the Establishment has been "hijacked" by the Far Left. Personally, I don't think this is the case. Most conservatives are simply in denial as to the nature of the Establishment and why they've embraced this general woke trend.

The reason why the Establishment tolerates it, or even promotes it is because those in power believe that it will serve their ends. For example, Feminism serves the best interest of the establishment by getting women out of the home and into the workforce. "Anti-racism" serves the Establishment's ends by promoting racial "harmony" so that their business interests won't be damaged by things such as riots. As for sexuality, sex sells. Those in power learned long ago that tranny LARPing and gay marriage doesn't really threaten their power. You get the idea.

However, there's another, more insidious aspect about the "wokening" of the Establishment. Not only does the Woke Left serve the Establishment by pushing it's agenda for it, but it also detracts from issues that would threaten corporate power such as class and wealth concentration. It gives the Far Left - or at least those that think that they are - an avenue to vent their frustration without really threatening the people that they claim to oppose. Should you bring up this irony, you'll be shouted down as a "class reductionist," and so the sham continues.

I'd like to see everyone's thoughts on this.
Woke left is ultimately the same hedonism in disguise, corporations will be happy to co-opt it and cater to normie needs with New Lifestyle TM, while ensuring that government neuters/subverts the more troublesome elements. Life for most Americans will go substantially unchanged, except with a new 'woke' layer added to education and corporate life.

My opinion is that if we don't see BLM/Antifa next year, then we'll know that they were subverted all along, and are really only used as a cudgel for election years.
 
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DeadFish

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I think that we're honestly just seeing history repeat itself.

Most "radical" youth today seem to have a lot of parallels to the hippies of the 60s, whom some previous left wing intellectuals rightfully hated and called out for basically just being hedonistic liberals, and other left wing intellectuals loved.

Of course corporations loved to promote the hippie stuff while ignoring their own systemic problems. Free love and drugs? Allright. People want to move away from traditional methods of life and get gay wicker basket furniture and run around wearing a persian rug? You go girl. Had an old university professor who was a young adult in the 60s and I remember him saying, "We didnt all know what we were protesting for, but we knew it was important"- yeah, fuck off. "Changing the world by smoking ayahuasca is so important.

I don't think its an insidious push from corporations to shift the culture towards stupid things, but more they see this crowd of people forming and latch onto them to distract from their own fuckups. Coca cola has anti-whiteness training, for instance, and noone cares about the whole death squad in Latin America debackle anymore. Nike. Fucking Nike on with race shit.

It doesn't bother me so much anymore to be honest. Actual class issues arent going to be addressed, but the modern SJW is going to get their come up-ins like the hippies did. One day, when the 70s come, theyll wake up and suddenly Ms Sunflower trying to peddle her shit is going to fall apart when someone tells her to get a real job in an office. Sure, some cultural things will remain that get appropriated the same way free love did after the 60s and these SJWS will look back fondly at "The Summer of Love they changed the world", but the more innane stuff? Thatll get memory holed or shat on. Where I see myself now is, these people are going to devolve into smart hippies who either moved on when the party ended, or become drug addict hippies on a permanent basis. Theyll have to face their shit eventually anyways.
The problem is they want to eliminate white people. Black america will disappear after them.

What I said before is you can try replacing the left right dictomony with big vs small. Read up on leopold khor.

You can try to start your own small group up 150 people. You job as clan/cult/gang/party leader is provide for all their material and emotional needs (rent, food, water, security). Their job is ensure their comrades and you are well provided for. To avoid identity politics people will be referred to their roles and how much they earn or provide.

Once you hit 150 is take 45 people and start a new subclan.

How this small scale socialism can be funded is by stealing from larger society and it's systems.
 

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You can try to start your own small group up 150 people. You job as clan/cult/gang/party leader is provide for all their material and emotional needs (rent, food, water, security). Their job is ensure their comrades and you are well provided for. To avoid identity politics people will be referred to their roles and how much they earn or provide.

Once you hit 150 is take 45 people and start a new subclan.

Aye, Parochial altruism in a way/the basic issue that people are only mentally wired to care about maybe a couple dozen others, at best and that can be extrapolated to maybe that level of a couple hundred with interconnected bonds, in an efficient way.

I get that, in anarchism- its a no brainer that you can live very decentralized at a local/small level, especially in rural communities. The question thats most interesting is "is this possible in society at large".

For sake of autism levels, I'm not white and grew up watching the gangster culture in the 90s and early 2000s. I get clans, gangs, and what have you. A part of their appeal is the fact that everyone is a scumbag, stupid, on drugs, out to get you, and trust is a rare commodity that should only be delt out to people you have a long relationship with. Many woke leftists are also like this too, ironically considering theyre often suburban, but the same way hood rats would be the seeds of their own destruction, you can kind of see it with these people too- just they have much more of a cushion.

In terms of who I actually invest my time with, I'm still somewhat like that. Id rather focus on myself and a group of friends, I'll only take significant risks for them.

You mentioned my stuff from the other post about if there are any actual leftists out there, and aye- past my own personal circle, I can still remember the way institutions failed me and I desperately needed a helping hand and didn't really get anything. As much as it is frustrating to know that there are a lot of people out there who don't deserve that, I do still feel a need to help the few people out there who do need a helping hand and are actual victims through no or little fault of their own. I'm not going to go through any significant risks in the process (Ill only do that for someone I can trust, like your small group analogy), but I still do feel the need to help people, even the ones who are their own worst enemies, just because a few of the ones you do help will deserve it.
 

DeadFish

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Aye, Parochial altruism in a way/the basic issue that people are only mentally wired to care about maybe a couple dozen others, at best and that can be extrapolated to maybe that level of a couple hundred with interconnected bonds, in an efficient way.

I get that, in anarchism- its a no brainer that you can live very decentralized at a local/small level, especially in rural communities. The question thats most interesting is "is this possible in society at large".

For sake of autism levels, I'm not white and grew up watching the gangster culture in the 90s and early 2000s. I get clans, gangs, and what have you. A part of their appeal is the fact that everyone is a scumbag, stupid, on drugs, out to get you, and trust is a rare commodity that should only be delt out to people you have a long relationship with. Many woke leftists are also like this too, ironically considering theyre often suburban, but the same way hood rats would be the seeds of their own destruction, you can kind of see it with these people too- just they have much more of a cushion.

In terms of who I actually invest my time with, I'm still somewhat like that. Id rather focus on myself and a group of friends, I'll only take significant risks for them.

You mentioned my stuff from the other post about if there are any actual leftists out there, and aye- past my own personal circle, I can still remember the way institutions failed me and I desperately needed a helping hand and didn't really get anything. As much as it is frustrating to know that there are a lot of people out there who don't deserve that, I do still feel a need to help the few people out there who do need a helping hand and are actual victims through no or little fault of their own. I'm not going to go through any significant risks in the process (Ill only do that for someone I can trust, like your small group analogy), but I still do feel the need to help people, even the ones who are their own worst enemies, just because a few of the ones you do help will deserve it.
Well I haven't spell my idea in full. One I'm very under educated. Two I'm half tard. Three I'd be doing the idea if I was able then be on the farms.

The goal is gather up (if you're can) 150 sub leaders who lead 150 people each. The idea is to raid large societies until it can't function any more.

For example (this happened) some guy works at Google. Starts embezzling funds. Then uses funds to help prospects. Say a neighbor who needs help with back surgery. Congrats. You just got an activist who isn't politically aligned.

By doing this you will have a counter to wokes identity crap.

The message is simple. You in the group? You keeping me rich and powerful? Are you providing for your comrades? If not in group are you paying dues? Then do as you feel.
If not part of the group or not paying dues? Then we'll come by weekly to kick the snot out of you.

You may find this line of thinking repulsive but it's the same thing woke offers. Rules for thee but not for me status. The woke left offers the license to be a jerk. That's why people find it appealing. To compete you have to offer the same deal or better. It's also none discriminatory.
 

Odnovo

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It definitely is. What I don't understand, though, is how so few genuine leftists call that out for what it is, because it is so obvious that this is the case. I mean, it happens, but nowhere near as much as we like to believe. Perhaps in order to become a genuine, ride-or-die nigga leftist, it requires both a tremendous amount of idealism and integrity that most people who gravitate to leftism wouldn't typically have? Who is to say...
 
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