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Is Trump any different from the establishment GOP?
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What's sad is that option 2 right now is worse.
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If you weren't a beta you'd vote CPUSA.
You seem like the kind of person who'd cut off and eat his own genitals if it would annoy "teh left" so I'm going to ignore everything you post.
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Prussia had a massive Jewish population, and "berg" is an extremely common stem for Eastern European Jewish surnames. https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=ruthenberg . Him attending a Lutheran school, and Wikipedia saying that his family were "ethnic Germans" means next to nothing.
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Trump has been credited by both experts, plebs and nobodies on the Internet as the newest revolution on how politics operate on the West.
Truth be told we just got a rebranding of edginess that doesnt make justice to the devotion and the vitriol that sorrounds it.
Truth be told we just got a rebranding of edginess that doesnt make justice to the devotion and the vitriol that sorrounds it.
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Trump is a mediocre president who looks somewhat decent following the absolute shitstains we've had uninterrupted from Reagan to now. Most of his detractors are REEEEEing spergs but he, like every other major national politician, sucks.
Pros:
Pros:
- Cracking down on Illegal Immigration
- Making Media screech
- Opening diplomacy to NK
- Boomerisms (twitter shitposting)
- Arresting Pedos
- Anti Trust stuff
- The most Oy Veyyy president we've ever had.
- Definitely has done shady shit.
- Doesn't really give a shit about anything.
- "draining the swamp" lmao what a fucking joke
- Boomerisms (VIDEO GAMES BAD, VACCINES BAD)
- Is just as much a part of upper class establishment despite LARPing as otherwise
- Doesn't give a shit about American Jobs (see above)
- Mike Pence
- Saudi Arabia
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How many generations do they have to be removed from ethnic/religious Jews for it not to matter anymore, or is the bloodline forever tainted?
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"Made it easier to immigrate to the US"
There haven't been any legal immigration reform bills signed into law. He has signaled increased support for legal immigration to compensate for his hardline stance against illegal immigration, which is basic political strategy that anyone should be able to understand. Mentally ill white nationalists view it as "cucking to the left" in the same way that mentally ill communists view the idea of a universal healthcare that doesn't abolish private insurance as "surrendering to capitalism."
"Deported fewer illegals than Obama"
The Obama administration exaggerated their numbers by reporting illegals being turned back at the border as a 'deportation.' Not to mention that the Federal courts have abused their injunctions against Trump more than EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT COMBINED in the 20th century.
A 'moderate establishment Republican' would NOT have even tried to build the wall, which Trump HAS secured billions of dollars in funding for, which IS already getting built (yes, replacing ineffective fencing with effective bollard wall COUNTS as wall building). An establishment Republican would have pivoted to the center far more than Trump has, like signing mass amnesty in 2017, whereas Trump has made small concessions in order to pass the most hardline immigration hawk policies the country has seen in decades. An establishment Republican would NOT have tried the travel ban. An establishment Republican would not employ family separation or "muh children in cages" because of fear of perceived backlash.
"Cut taxes for the wealthy and corporations"
Everyone's taxes were cut. This is a leftist or natsoc talking point. Trump isn't a socialist or keynesian. He still supports pro-business policies because if business owners do well, everyone else does well. Trump IS different from an establishment Republican on economics in that he has instituted tariffs and cares about how the working class have been screwed over by trade policies. Factories, manufacturing jobs, etc have come back to the USA.
"Not ended the War in Afghanistan"
Trump is the most non-interventionist President we've had in decades. An establishment Republican would have expanded troop involvement, removed Assad (note that Trump chose the strategy of giving Assad a 'slap on the wrist' with missile strikes on deserted airfields for political purposes, whereas people like the OP were in hysterics saying that Trump would invade Syria with troops and remove Assad for Israel), and actually waged war with Iran rather than the mild sabre rattling that Trump is doing (people like the OP claimed that Trump would've already sent troops to Iran by now). Also, note that while Trump hasn't removed ALL the troops from Afghanistan, there has been a reduction.
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People like the OP are white nationalist autists who simply don't understand how politics works. If Trump acted like they wanted him to act, and tried to do the things they want him to do, he would have been impeached or assassinated by now. For instance, let's say that on day one, he attempted to deport every single illegal (even the DACA kids), attempted to shut down immigration from every single nonwhite country, build a giant concrete wall. Not only would federal judges have stopped him in his tracks, but he would get the establishment Republicans AND the Democrats in open arms against him, ALONG with much of the donor base. Trump can oppose the Democrats if he allies with the establishment GOP (which he did), but it is political suicide to oppose the Democrats and the establishment GOP at the same time. Realize that Trump only has a 95% approval rating with the Republicans because of the fact that he has chosen the route of working with the establishment GOP rather than engaging in outright intraparty civil war with them. Realize that despite the fact that he has worked with and made concessions to the establishment GOP, that non-establishment-GOP policies like wall funding, increased support for ICE, family separation and kids-in-cages, the trade war, no regime change in Syria and Iran, etc - have all happened.
Realize that NOT EVERY ONE of the 62 million Americans who voted for Trump is super extreme on immigration and other issues. If Trump tried to deport all of the DACA kids and every single VISA overstay, for instance, he'd get lots of immigration-moderate Trump voters who are friends/boyfriends/girlfriends/husbands/wives/employers with DACA recipients and VISA overstays against him, which is much more than the 0.01% of the country that consists of far-right immigration hawks like the OP who suffer from delusions that Trump is automatically a leftist for not pursuing retarded political strategy. If Trump antagonized Israel like how these alt-righters want, then much of the donor base, the evangelical base, FOX News, and mainstream conservative voters would ditch him, leading to maybe a 10% approval rating rather than the ~%46 approval rating he currently has (he probably would have gotten impeached before that point anyway). If Trump went 'national socialist' on economics, he'd lose the donors and the MANY fiscal conservatives who supported him. If Trump went full on anti-homo (e.g. try to ban gay marriage, criminalize gay sex), he'd lose many socially moderate Trump supporters as well as closet alt-righters like the OP. If Trump went full on fiscal conservative (e.g. massive cuts to welfare, military, medicare, medicaid for the sake of balancing the budget) he'd lose support from various groups that rely on said spending.
Politics is a balancing act. It's a team sport. You have to identify a coalition you can work with. Trump cannot rely solely on hardcore Trump supporters, because after all not every single one of the 62 million who voted for him is a hardcore Trump supporter. He cannot solely rely on white nationalists (or even associate with them), because their brand is fucking radioactive and they don't even make up 1% of the voting population, and they only voted for him in 2016 because the mainstream media tried to paint him as Orange Hitler. Trump won because he was able to unite a coalition of his hardcore fanbase + the vast majority of conservatives/libertarians who would support any Republican as long as they espouse enough conservative/libertarian policies + nonpartisan swing voters in the midwest and rust-belt who voted for Obama and wanted 'something different. Trump has retained that coalition for the most part and has arguably expanded it to the "Trump skeptical conservatives" like Ben Shapiro and Glenn Beck (think: Evan McMullin 2016 voters). By not being Orange Hitler, he has likely attracted many Gary Johnson 2016 voters and even some moderate Hillary 2016 voters to his coalition.
At the rate things are going, he could win every state he won in 2016 along with Minnesota, New Hampshire, Maine-At-Large, and Nevada, possibly even more. If he did what the "dissident right" - who currently are whining about how he is a "puppet for da jooz" and making Le Potato Blompf memes - want him to do, he would lose all 50 states, give us a Democratic supermajority in both the House and Senate, and a Democratic supermajority in most state legislatures. White nationalists were never "Trump's base" even though they claim to be.
There haven't been any legal immigration reform bills signed into law. He has signaled increased support for legal immigration to compensate for his hardline stance against illegal immigration, which is basic political strategy that anyone should be able to understand. Mentally ill white nationalists view it as "cucking to the left" in the same way that mentally ill communists view the idea of a universal healthcare that doesn't abolish private insurance as "surrendering to capitalism."
"Deported fewer illegals than Obama"
The Obama administration exaggerated their numbers by reporting illegals being turned back at the border as a 'deportation.' Not to mention that the Federal courts have abused their injunctions against Trump more than EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT COMBINED in the 20th century.
A 'moderate establishment Republican' would NOT have even tried to build the wall, which Trump HAS secured billions of dollars in funding for, which IS already getting built (yes, replacing ineffective fencing with effective bollard wall COUNTS as wall building). An establishment Republican would have pivoted to the center far more than Trump has, like signing mass amnesty in 2017, whereas Trump has made small concessions in order to pass the most hardline immigration hawk policies the country has seen in decades. An establishment Republican would NOT have tried the travel ban. An establishment Republican would not employ family separation or "muh children in cages" because of fear of perceived backlash.
"Cut taxes for the wealthy and corporations"
Everyone's taxes were cut. This is a leftist or natsoc talking point. Trump isn't a socialist or keynesian. He still supports pro-business policies because if business owners do well, everyone else does well. Trump IS different from an establishment Republican on economics in that he has instituted tariffs and cares about how the working class have been screwed over by trade policies. Factories, manufacturing jobs, etc have come back to the USA.
"Not ended the War in Afghanistan"
Trump is the most non-interventionist President we've had in decades. An establishment Republican would have expanded troop involvement, removed Assad (note that Trump chose the strategy of giving Assad a 'slap on the wrist' with missile strikes on deserted airfields for political purposes, whereas people like the OP were in hysterics saying that Trump would invade Syria with troops and remove Assad for Israel), and actually waged war with Iran rather than the mild sabre rattling that Trump is doing (people like the OP claimed that Trump would've already sent troops to Iran by now). Also, note that while Trump hasn't removed ALL the troops from Afghanistan, there has been a reduction.
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People like the OP are white nationalist autists who simply don't understand how politics works. If Trump acted like they wanted him to act, and tried to do the things they want him to do, he would have been impeached or assassinated by now. For instance, let's say that on day one, he attempted to deport every single illegal (even the DACA kids), attempted to shut down immigration from every single nonwhite country, build a giant concrete wall. Not only would federal judges have stopped him in his tracks, but he would get the establishment Republicans AND the Democrats in open arms against him, ALONG with much of the donor base. Trump can oppose the Democrats if he allies with the establishment GOP (which he did), but it is political suicide to oppose the Democrats and the establishment GOP at the same time. Realize that Trump only has a 95% approval rating with the Republicans because of the fact that he has chosen the route of working with the establishment GOP rather than engaging in outright intraparty civil war with them. Realize that despite the fact that he has worked with and made concessions to the establishment GOP, that non-establishment-GOP policies like wall funding, increased support for ICE, family separation and kids-in-cages, the trade war, no regime change in Syria and Iran, etc - have all happened.
Realize that NOT EVERY ONE of the 62 million Americans who voted for Trump is super extreme on immigration and other issues. If Trump tried to deport all of the DACA kids and every single VISA overstay, for instance, he'd get lots of immigration-moderate Trump voters who are friends/boyfriends/girlfriends/husbands/wives/employers with DACA recipients and VISA overstays against him, which is much more than the 0.01% of the country that consists of far-right immigration hawks like the OP who suffer from delusions that Trump is automatically a leftist for not pursuing retarded political strategy. If Trump antagonized Israel like how these alt-righters want, then much of the donor base, the evangelical base, FOX News, and mainstream conservative voters would ditch him, leading to maybe a 10% approval rating rather than the ~%46 approval rating he currently has (he probably would have gotten impeached before that point anyway). If Trump went 'national socialist' on economics, he'd lose the donors and the MANY fiscal conservatives who supported him. If Trump went full on anti-homo (e.g. try to ban gay marriage, criminalize gay sex), he'd lose many socially moderate Trump supporters as well as closet alt-righters like the OP. If Trump went full on fiscal conservative (e.g. massive cuts to welfare, military, medicare, medicaid for the sake of balancing the budget) he'd lose support from various groups that rely on said spending.
Politics is a balancing act. It's a team sport. You have to identify a coalition you can work with. Trump cannot rely solely on hardcore Trump supporters, because after all not every single one of the 62 million who voted for him is a hardcore Trump supporter. He cannot solely rely on white nationalists (or even associate with them), because their brand is fucking radioactive and they don't even make up 1% of the voting population, and they only voted for him in 2016 because the mainstream media tried to paint him as Orange Hitler. Trump won because he was able to unite a coalition of his hardcore fanbase + the vast majority of conservatives/libertarians who would support any Republican as long as they espouse enough conservative/libertarian policies + nonpartisan swing voters in the midwest and rust-belt who voted for Obama and wanted 'something different. Trump has retained that coalition for the most part and has arguably expanded it to the "Trump skeptical conservatives" like Ben Shapiro and Glenn Beck (think: Evan McMullin 2016 voters). By not being Orange Hitler, he has likely attracted many Gary Johnson 2016 voters and even some moderate Hillary 2016 voters to his coalition.
At the rate things are going, he could win every state he won in 2016 along with Minnesota, New Hampshire, Maine-At-Large, and Nevada, possibly even more. If he did what the "dissident right" - who currently are whining about how he is a "puppet for da jooz" and making Le Potato Blompf memes - want him to do, he would lose all 50 states, give us a Democratic supermajority in both the House and Senate, and a Democratic supermajority in most state legislatures. White nationalists were never "Trump's base" even though they claim to be.
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No one asked for it, but here is the autisitc legal answer in the case of Nazi Germany
tl;dr: If you are half-Jewish, you would have to get authorization to marry a non-jew but your kids would be German; If you had one jewish grandparent then you would still be a german legally speaking.
However, I have no idea if this is how it worked when applied in pratice
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>White Nationalist
This is the dumbest thing I have read today
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Hatch bill would dramatically increase H-1B visas
Two sources with knowledge of the matter confirmed that Hatch had expected Democrat Chris Coons to cosponsor the bill, however, he no longer will.
DHS Opposes GOP’s Stealth Bill to Outsource College Graduate Jobs
inb4 >breitfart i couldn't find any other comprehensive articles about it link: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/03/dhs-opposes-gops-stealth-bill-outsource-college-graduate-jobs/ archive: https://archive.fo/0z8zv long ass article, so here are some prime snippets: The GOP-run amendment...
This is the kind of stuff Trump supports. He still wants immigrants coming in to depress wages and uproot the already existing workforce. Pro-immigration has been a conservative talking point since Reagan.
Still means he stopped more illegals from living in the US compared to Trump.
Yeah, last I checked there isn't any wall and I'm pretty sure Dubya of all people deported more people than Trump. You might say "well that's cuz teh dems have been stopping him!" maybe he shouldn't be as provocative if he wants to get anything done. Also that muslim travel ban law meant nothing since muslims don't immigrate here en masse.
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I'll plug my Donald Trump is a Narcissist theory here, but the short version is that either due to incompetence or due to him simply just not giving a fuck, he's making modern politics into a parody of what it always was, a gigantic shitfest. Except with Trump in charge its much easier to laugh at now since he has such a ridiculous persona and geriatric way of speaking. I support none of his politics but was still happy to see him win because its hilarious. He's pretty much universally hated by the rest of the establishment because they know that him getting the job at all is already a mockery of their high and mighty positions. The media hangs on every single slip, gaff or stupid thing he says and where that used to destroy entire careers it seems to just empower him and his autistic supporters.
Its pretty hard to figure out what is and isn't true about his backroom dealings in this climate, so I have no idea if he's really better or worse at heart than the establishment. But there's certainly something different about him. The man is a living, breathing, walking, shit-talking personification of a punchline. And the joke was "Anyone can be President!"
Its pretty hard to figure out what is and isn't true about his backroom dealings in this climate, so I have no idea if he's really better or worse at heart than the establishment. But there's certainly something different about him. The man is a living, breathing, walking, shit-talking personification of a punchline. And the joke was "Anyone can be President!"
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No. He's actually worse than the establishment, because they wouldn't be rushing to make backroom deals with the Democrats the way Trump does.
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One quarter in my opinion. That seems to be the magic number a lot of Communists have.
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"This is the kind of stuff Trump supports. He still wants immigrants coming in to depress wages and uproot the already existing workforce. Pro-immigration has been a conservative talking point since Reagan."
Legal immigration is a concession for harsher anti illegal immigration policies, which Trump has implemented. You haven't adequately addressed any of my points. There is no indication that he wants them to 'depress wages' and 'uproot the already existing workforce.' Immigration in and of itself does not have to lead to those consequences if done responsibly.
"Still means he stopped more illegals from living in the US compared to Trump."
If Trump inflated his stats the way Obama did, then his numbers would be higher. It's that simple.
"Yeah, last I checked there isn't any wall and I'm pretty sure Dubya of all people deported more people than Trump. You might say "well that's cuz teh dems have been stopping him!" maybe he shouldn't be as provocative if he wants to get anything done. Also that muslim travel ban law meant nothing since muslims don't immigrate here en masse."
The wall is clearly being built. Ineffective barriers have been replaced by effective ones, which is massively helpful when it comes to repelling illegals. Dubya was POTUS for eight years, was incredibly immigration and muslim friendly, far more than Trump: https://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Immigration.htm
When all is said and done, Trump has been far harsher on illegals than Dubya, Obama, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter, Ford, (though illegal immigration wasn't as big of a problem as it was back in the day).
You don't live in reality. 'maybe he shouldn't be as provocative if he wants to get anything done.' -> he can be as nice as possible and the Dems/establishment GOP would STILL oppose the Wall and other anti-illegal policies because it means less votes for the D's and less cheap labor for the establishment R's. You're grasping for straws trying to find any reason to attack him as if he's some kind of left-winger. You remind me of blacks who criticize Obama for 'viewing things within the parameter of white supremacy.' I have given you the courtesy of replying to each of your assertions, and in return you ignored much of what I had to say in lieu of spouting your talking points.
also @ConfederateIrishman, it doesn't matter if Ron/pol/ is a white nationalist or not. What matters is that he (and likely you) are mentally ill autists who can't see reality for what it is. Arguing with you is like arguing with someone who calls Obama a fascist for not instituting anti-hate speech laws. Learn to think, not mindlessly parrot whatever Coulter, Spencer, Girdusky, random-internet-wignat, etc claim. Try not to shoot up any mosques or wal-marts in the meantime.