Law ISIS brides ask not to be judged harshly - The traitorous whores have been through alot apparently

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These women begging to be let back in to the West is pretty satisfying. Almost as good as reports of Western ISIS recruits who discovered war isn’t in fact Call of Duty, tried to leave, and were executed for desertion.
For all the issues that the left tries to claim about race, immigrants tend to integrate much better than in other countries. Second generation Asians are all but fully american where second generation Asians in the Europe tend to stay within their community. Its hard to give a fuck about the levant when you are living in paradise.
I’m skeptical that it’s a split between paradise and non-paradise.

The U.S. is lucky in the sense that all our immigrants who don’t come from Central America have to spend a ton of time and a ton of money just getting here (never mind actually getting legal status). We also collectively don’t coddle immigrants the way European countries and Canada do. (Canada has even more of a geographical advantage than we do, but they can’t seem to stop with the coddling.)

The American expectation is, you come here, you work hard, you mind your own business, and you shut the fuck up. We also don’t cry about deporting immigrants who fuck up while Europeans wring their hands over deporting rapists and murderers. The UK took a stand with Begun but they’ve let a number of male ISIS recruits back into the country even though, statistically, they’re far more likely to bomb an Ariana Grande concert than their female compatriots.

The U.S. doesn’t have a historical link to most third world countries the way the UK and France do. If I understand the situation correctly, France is obligated to take in a certain number of Arab and African immigrants from their former colonies, and, speaking of European coddling, any attempt by the French to expect those immigrants to have established family in France or a job lined up is extremely controversial. Sarkozy was a “literal Nazi” for merely suggesting the idea. He suggested it to try to keep those immigrants from being lifelong welfare recipients. Hell, just the way immigrants in Europe are not expected to find gainful employment, in itself, is a sufficient explanation for the U.S.’s relative lack of ISIS recruits. Young men in particular go fucking nuts when they can’t get a decent job.
 

Fareal

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They say "fled" because she took a number of steps to avoid being stopped at the border and returned to her family.

"Fled" is being used as a synonym for "ran away from home" because that's what she did, she ran away from home. Unlike most teenagers-being-teenagers, she didn't have the sense to run to her best mate's house for the night and come home once she'd calmed her tits, she went off to become a terrorist.
 

Poiseon

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These women begging to be let back in to the West is pretty satisfying. Almost as good as reports of Western ISIS recruits who discovered war isn’t in fact Call of Duty, tried to leave, and were executed for desertion.


I’m skeptical that it’s a split between paradise and non-paradise.

The U.S. is lucky in the sense that all our immigrants who don’t come from Central America have to spend a ton of time and a ton of money just getting here (never mind actually getting legal status). We also collectively don’t coddle immigrants the way European countries and Canada do. (Canada has even more of a geographical advantage than we do, but they can’t seem to stop with the coddling.)

The American expectation is, you come here, you work hard, you mind your own business, and you shut the fuck up. We also don’t cry about deporting immigrants who fuck up while Europeans wring their hands over deporting rapists and murderers. The UK took a stand with Begun but they’ve let a number of male ISIS recruits back into the country even though, statistically, they’re far more likely to bomb an Ariana Grande concert than their female compatriots.

The U.S. doesn’t have a historical link to most third world countries the way the UK and France do. If I understand the situation correctly, France is obligated to take in a certain number of Arab and African immigrants from their former colonies, and, speaking of European coddling, any attempt by the French to expect those immigrants to have established family in France or a job lined up is extremely controversial. Sarkozy was a “literal Nazi” for merely suggesting the idea. He suggested it to try to keep those immigrants from being lifelong welfare recipients. Hell, just the way immigrants in Europe are not expected to find gainful employment, in itself, is a sufficient explanation for the U.S.’s relative lack of ISIS recruits. Young men in particular go fucking nuts when they can’t get a decent job.
One of the prime complaints in the US about illegal immigration is that the illegals take jobs from locals. Everyone I know just wants to work, and be able to afford to pay their bills. I don't want welfare, I don't want foodstamps, I just want to work. There are leeches of course, but I rarely see them. I know immigrants who had to go through the process to get here and they fucking hate illegal immigration. It spits in the face of those who had to work to get here.
People in America don't like being dependent. Europeans seem to like being dependent, and they do the same things with immigrants that swarm into their countries. Their countries are going to collapse in the next few decades if they keep things the way they are. And they'll get a lot more London Bridge style attacks if they don't ban those assault vans. They have high capacity gas tanks, ya know.
 

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I think citizenship should be a sacred thing that should be impossible to revoke unless you cheated on the test but...

I suspect these people would probably turn around and be fine with revoking the citizenships of their political opponents.
Personally I’d rather see them charge these whores with treason. If they’re pussyfooting with her citizenship, it’s either because they don’t have the laws to deal with her or they can’t figure out a way to properly charge her without the Islamic dindus calling them bigots.
 
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One of the prime complaints in the US about illegal immigration is that the illegals take jobs from locals. Everyone I know just wants to work, and be able to afford to pay their bills. I don't want welfare, I don't want foodstamps, I just want to work. There are leeches of course, but I rarely see them. I know immigrants who had to go through the process to get here and they fucking hate illegal immigration. It spits in the face of those who had to work to get here.
People in America don't like being dependent. Europeans seem to like being dependent, and they do the same things with immigrants that swarm into their countries. Their countries are going to collapse in the next few decades if they keep things the way they are. And they'll get a lot more London Bridge style attacks if they don't ban those assault vans. They have high capacity gas tanks, ya know.
Both sides of my family came over legally. In my maternal family's case, they were on a five-year waitlist before they could enter legally. They couldn't bring in most of their net worth, so coming here meant almost completely starting over. Also, due to the waitlist, my grandfather couldn't get a job in his field for a number of years because of a drought that didn't exist when they applied.

I'm not all that hostile to illegal immigrants, but I really don't like the liberal prioritization of their needs and wants over the legal immigrants who played by the rules, but lately it seems like anyone playing by the rules is a chump, whether you're talking about immigration, business, politics, whatever.
 

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One of the prime complaints in the US about illegal immigration is that the illegals take jobs from locals. Everyone I know just wants to work, and be able to afford to pay their bills. I don't want welfare, I don't want foodstamps, I just want to work. There are leeches of course, but I rarely see them. I know immigrants who had to go through the process to get here and they fucking hate illegal immigration. It spits in the face of those who had to work to get here.
People in America don't like being dependent. Europeans seem to like being dependent, and they do the same things with immigrants that swarm into their countries. Their countries are going to collapse in the next few decades if they keep things the way they are. And they'll get a lot more London Bridge style attacks if they don't ban those assault vans. They have high capacity gas tanks, ya know.
And people wonder why it is that Europe is very socialist. The reason why Europe is more likely to accept immigrants regardless of whether they come in legally or not, is because they lost their sense of pride. People blame Europe for a lot of problems, like Hitler and Stalin, WW1 and WW2, murdering Muslims, the crusades. All of these things causes people to feel "guilt. " Which is why they have allowed things to get as bad as it has.

America is different because we have a sense of pride that is still here, but which is slowly going away, due to people spewing lies about our history. Americans are willing to work because we are taught to work. Europe has been taught to go with the flow.
 
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I'm thoroughly against any jihadi or jihadi bride being let back into their countries of origins.

These are not volunteers, they have not shown up to a conflict to take part in the defense of a country for ideological reasons, and so are not comparable to western volunteers on the pro-Syrian or Kurdish side of the conflict.

The jihadi's on the other hand have gone out to wage a holy war and establish a borderless world caliphate as outlined in the philosophy of Al-Farabi. They have no country, only their religious extremism, and would not show any, and have shown no mercy in the implementation of their caliphate.

They have removed themselves from civilized society by their actions and it is essential that no leniency be granted to any of them.

As far as I am concerned the only place for them as traitors and international war criminals, is a short stop after a long drop. Since most western nations don't actively pursue the death penalty, then there is no reason to allow them to return merely to incarcerate them for life and let them be a cost on the state.

It is better that the Syrian administration deals with them, or the Kurds in terms of any legal ramifications.

As for the fate of any children involved, they are innocent of what their parents have done, but unless the parents are willing to give up the children and have them placed anonymously in a family that is not their relations, then it is better to leave the children to be dealt with also by the Syrian regime.

My reasoning is that the children left in the care of the persons family or families may breed the same tendencies towards extremism that led to their sons and daughters becoming radicalized jihadists in the first place, and so it would be better to anonymously give the child up to an unrelated group.

As for the people in their countries if they are let back in and given states benefits and help, well I wouldn't judge anyone who in that case took matters into their own hands. I'm against vigilantism, but I'd be willing to make exceptions in these particular cases.
 

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I'm thoroughly against any jihadi or jihadi bride being let back into their countries of origins.

These are not volunteers, they have not shown up to a conflict to take part in the defense of a country for ideological reasons, and so are not comparable to western volunteers on the pro-Syrian or Kurdish side of the conflict.

The jihadi's on the other hand have gone out to wage a holy war and establish a borderless world caliphate as outlined in the philosophy of Al-Farabi. They have no country, only their religious extremism, and would not show any, and have shown no mercy in the implementation of their caliphate.

They have removed themselves from civilized society by their actions and it is essential that no leniency be granted to any of them.

As far as I am concerned the only place for them as traitors and international war criminals, is a short stop after a long drop. Since most western nations don't actively pursue the death penalty, then there is no reason to allow them to return merely to incarcerate them for life and let them be a cost on the state.

It is better that the Syrian administration deals with them, or the Kurds in terms of any legal ramifications.

As for the fate of any children involved, they are innocent of what their parents have done, but unless the parents are willing to give up the children and have them placed anonymously in a family that is not their relations, then it is better to leave the children to be dealt with also by the Syrian regime.

My reasoning is that the children left in the care of the persons family or families may breed the same tendencies towards extremism that led to their sons and daughters becoming radicalized jihadists in the first place, and so it would be better to anonymously give the child up to an unrelated group.

As for the people in their countries if they are let back in and given states benefits and help, well I wouldn't judge anyone who in that case took matters into their own hands. I'm against vigilantism, but I'd be willing to make exceptions in these particular cases.
Syria is entirely within their rights to deport all these foreign-born terrorists back to their home countries and not waste further resources imprisoning them or dealing with the legal wrangling to execute them. Lord knows they have enough problems without having to deal with all these western jihadis and their broodmares.

Ignore how unsympathetic the actual terrorists are for a moment and consider this: do countries like the United Kingdom not bear some responsibility for allowing Muslim communities within their country to fester to the point that a number of British-born Muslims think going to wage a jihad in another country is a good idea? Should they not be made to acknowledge that letting Muslims not integrate and tolerating their backwards ideology and barbaric practices out of a naive commitment to "cultural relativism" was an irresponsible and cowardly decision?

To me, the proper way cases like this should be handled is for the terrorists to be deported back to their home country, tried for treason, and summarily executed. I can't help but feel that the United Kingdom is taking the easy way out once again, mostly likely out of a fear of the inevitable riots that would happen in their country if they actually dared to put this woman on trial. Provided a literal treasonous jihadist could even get convicted of treason in the modern UK's courts.
 

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The most cost effective way is to extradite them across the border to Iraq, where the Shia government is more than happy to give them a ten minute show trial, then shoot them and throw the body off a cliff. They still haven't got their full measure of revenge for what happened in Mosul, and it will take a couple thousand more dead ISIS to make up the difference.
 

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Syria is entirely within their rights to deport all these foreign-born terrorists back to their home countries and not waste further resources imprisoning them or dealing with the legal wrangling to execute them. Lord knows they have enough problems without having to deal with all these western jihadis and their broodmares.

Ignore how unsympathetic the actual terrorists are for a moment and consider this: do countries like the United Kingdom not bear some responsibility for allowing Muslim communities within their country to fester to the point that a number of British-born Muslims think going to wage a jihad in another country is a good idea? Should they not be made to acknowledge that letting Muslims not integrate and tolerating their backwards ideology and barbaric practices out of a naive commitment to "cultural relativism" was an irresponsible and cowardly decision?

To me, the proper way cases like this should be handled is for the terrorists to be deported back to their home country, tried for treason, and summarily executed. I can't help but feel that the United Kingdom is taking the easy way out once again, mostly likely out of a fear of the inevitable riots that would happen in their country if they actually dared to put this woman on trial. Provided a literal treasonous jihadist could even get convicted of treason in the modern UK's courts.
I've said it in this thread before: no, the UK would not have standing in such a lawsuit.

Laws are territorial. What has Shamima Begum done in the UK that is illegal? Nothing. She hasn't set foot in the UK since she was 15 years old.

I get what you're saying, and I actually broadly agree with the sentiment, but you're wrong. She needs to answer for her crimes, whatever they may be, in Syria.
 

Absolutego

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I've said it in this thread before: no, the UK would not have standing in such a lawsuit.

Laws are territorial. What has Shamima Begum done in the UK that is illegal? Nothing. She hasn't set foot in the UK since she was 15 years old.

I get what you're saying, and I actually broadly agree with the sentiment, but you're wrong. She needs to answer for her crimes, whatever they may be, in Syria.
I guess I assumed leaving to join a rogue pseudo-state your home country has launched air strikes against constituted some form of treason within the UK's legal code.
 

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Christopher Nuttal predicts in his "Ark Royal" series that by the middle of the 21st century things in Europe hit the breaking point. Following something called "the morningside incident" a full on guerilla war erupts all across the UK and Europe, ushering in The Age of Unrest or "the troubles" that by the 22nd century resulted in full scale ethnic cleansing, forced deportations and millions of deaths. 200 year later millions of people still live in teeming refugee camps in North Africa and Turkey, essentially stateless Palestinian style.

Seemed like a good set up for explaining why humanity went to space with the basic nation state and nationalism still in tact. Leads to fun throwaway lines in the books like "The city of London probably would not approve the resteraunt because it would be too ethnic", But holy shit if reading about these Western jihadis makes me afraid it's more prophecy then science fiction.
 

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What has Shamima Begum done in the UK that is illegal? Nothing.
Extraterritorial Jurisdiction applies - for some offences (including child sex tourism and terrorism, for example), it doesn't matter where you physically are, just that you're a UK citizen
 

Poiseon

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I've said it in this thread before: no, the UK would not have standing in such a lawsuit.

Laws are territorial. What has Shamima Begum done in the UK that is illegal? Nothing. She hasn't set foot in the UK since she was 15 years old.

I get what you're saying, and I actually broadly agree with the sentiment, but you're wrong. She needs to answer for her crimes, whatever they may be, in Syria.
Syria has been fucked harder than any other country in this war with ISIS. Re-tards like the Clintons wanted to install a new regime. CNN bitching about non-existent moderate rebels, ISIS itself tearing through the countryside. If any country deserves to hold the trial it's definitely Syria.
 
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