Plagued Islamophiles / Regressive Left - Liberal non-Muslims who are desperate to protect the Religion of Peace

[MrJokerRager]

They aren't simping for Islam, they're simping for le exotic culture. As soon as a Muslim brings up anything actually related to Islam they get jumped harder than any conservative will, I know this from experience.


Not if the left manages to subvert Islam, that's literally the whole plan.


They're more concerned with sticking it to the right by any means necessary, but you're also not wrong on this one.

'taqiyya' isn't an Islamic thing, the only people who believe in it are the raafidi Shias who are considered crypto-pagans by the majority of mainstream Muslims.

Watch this guy's videos he's one of the most outspoken Muslims against the left's attempts at subverting Islam:

Looking at his videos and website, he is a wahabbi or close to their school of thought.

There are a total of 73 sects in Islam so far but Ahmedis are excluded for not technically believing in Muhammad being the last prophet.

Many of the Muslims living in the west are generally economic migrants and usually dry liberal compared to the motherland. Other issues are gibs as many of these refugees just want free shit.

 

[Dildo]

I'm not trying to prove the contrary. Some people are overzealous, that's a thing.

They are. But unlike other groups, there is no internal concern, rebuke or attempt to expel the overzealous in Islam. Quite the opposite, they're usually praised for the vile things they do to outsiders or Muslims who aren't the right type of Muslim or not Muslim enough for them.

That's not how lefties work, the end goal of subversion is destruction. It doesn't matters to them if Christianity remains or dies as long as it capitulates to their demands, which it has at every turn.

What victory has "The Left" had over a large western Church of consequence?

Unless you want to consider something like Vatican II in a Sedevacantist Catholic view as traditional Christendom falling to the leftist horde; which was an internal process that was a counter revolution against modernity rather than in tandem with it, you're going to be short of material.

You can't even really say Orthodoxy, which was under Soviet power for almost a century, was "subverted"; considering they rebelled constantly against them and even today when former KGB make up a not insignificant part of the upper clergy they're infamous worldwide for their conservative, racist (and I mean genuine hatred of "lesser" races) and far right views.

Sure but that's war so I'm not sure what your point is?

Like any good Christian pastor can twist the Bible to justify anything, Islamic Jurists are just as talented at drawing things out to support their own personal beliefs.

You say lying is bad, and yet Taqiyya exists. You may not personally believe it; because of course you are a TRUE and HONEST Muslim while everyone else clearly must have it at least a little bit wrong.

And lets not forget in Sunni Islam there are many occasions where it's okay to tell lies; such as to protect the life of another Muslim (very vague that, often wheeled out to justify why it's fine to lie to Western Authorities).

If you'd like a very famous historical example consider when the Caliph Mamun proclaimed that the Qu'ran was created, and with exception to Ahmad ibn Hanbal and presumably smaller less recognized figures that likely did so too, the entire umma lied and pretended to accept his teaching until he fell out of power.

That's the Sunni legend at least, it's far more likely this was like the Church power struggle in England during the 15th-16th centuries between Catholics and Protestants.

To take stylistic liberty with a translation of the work of Omar Khayyam ; the unbeliever knows his religion best.

I mean, I'd need some clarification on what you mean by 'lies'. But again, war is its own thing, not a unilateral pass to go round lying to random disbelievers.

What about the promise of safety and tolerance made to the Arabic Jews who initially supported Muhammad, before he decided actually religious plurality wasn't his thing and he'd prefer all the men dead just because lol.

The verses I quoted literally says the exact opposite of that.

One verse against the many others that justify the opposite. Islamic practice hardly supports this claim either.

We don't really call that jihad but yeah, why wouldn't we outbreed everyone else and bring people to our side? Like your problem at its core just comes down to 'I like disbelief so Islam is bad for me', like yeah of course it is dude.

I "like" disbelief about as much as I "like" gravity; it's part of a personal relationship with reality.

I'm not saying you wouldn't, but it does little to argue against the idea that Islam is a religion actively plotting and working against co-existence, not even tolerance of , literally anyone else.

They are evil only in your personal opinion, and that doesn't really hold much weight if you're not a moral realist, which you might be idk whereabouts you stand on meta-ethics. Regardless God defines good and evil, so nothing God commands is evil by definition and opposing His command is evil by definition.

I don't believe in morals in the religious sense or Good and Evil, but you're religion claims they do exist so you're in a state of self-contradiction from the offset on this one.

If I was going to describe ethics I'd go more with a scale of "Law" vs "Chaos"; what enables people to work together and lash out at one another as little as possible, and what does not enable this or actively hinder this.

By your logic in any case, God can command rape and rape is holy and good. I mean, this is where I say Islam is more honest about its desire for power and utter contempt for human life than Christianity because the Qu'ran explicitly endorses rape, sexual slavery, pedophilia and murder.

I'm talking to someone who believes rape, torture and murder can be holy and good purely because a capricious bloodthirsty magical creature says they are. You will excuse me if I take any of your opinions on how humans should conduct themselves with a pinch of salt.

 

[Autumnal Equinox]

Look what islam did to Cat Stevens.

For anyone not aware, Cat Stevens was a folk singer in the 70s who was the quintessential peace and love spreading hippie. The guy wrote Peace Train begging for everyone to just hold hands, kiss and sing kumbayah.

Once he converted to islam, all that changed. He now advocates a fatwa on Rushdie for writing The Satanic Verses, condemns women as whores if they don't walk around wearing those mudslime garbage bags from head to toe, and thinks gays need to be scourged from the earth. That belief system did that to the guy who wrote Peace Train.

Islam is a (and I hate using this word) incredibly toxic religion.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

As soon as a Muslim brings up anything actually related to Islam they get jumped harder than any conservative will, I know this from experience.

Wait you're a Mussalman?

 

[MrJokerRager]

Wait you're a Mussalman?

No shit, a wahabbi sunni most likely. I want to see him debate that doc guy.

On a side note, If we look at the iranian revolution and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Muslims and leftists will fight over domination if they are the only two power centers left.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

It’s more simple than most realize. The far left really hates the Christian Right and they support anything the Christian Right dislikes. They deluded themselves into thinking they’re on the same page simply because they’re allies of convenience.

It will be funny if/when the far left ticks off both the Christians and Muslims simultaneously.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Look what islam did to Cat Stevens.

For anyone not aware, Cat Stevens was a folk singer in the 70s who was the quintessential peace and love spreading hippie. The guy wrote Peace Train begging for everyone to just hold hands, kiss and sing kumbayah.

Once he converted to islam, all that changed. He now advocates a fatwa on Rushdie for writing The Satanic Verses, condemns women as whores if they don't walk around wearing those mudslime garbage bags from head to toe, and thinks gays need to be scourged from the earth. That belief system did that to the guy who wrote Peace Train.

Islam is a (and I hate using this word) incredibly toxic religion.

He even changed his name to "Yusuf Islam".

I notice that nobody who converts to Islam ever keeps their original names. They always change it to something Arabic/Islamic. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the Arab imperialist/supremacist roots of Islam.

 

[[Redacted]-san]

I still refuse to believe that Sharia Law will happen in America just because people are told to wear mask to protect themselves. Yes, there are individuals that seriously believe that Sharia Law will happen just because people wear masks.
*facepalms*

 

[MrJokerRager]

He even changed his name to "Yusuf Islam".

I notice that nobody who converts to Islam ever keeps their original names. They always change it to something Arabic/Islamic. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the Arab imperialist/supremacist roots of Islam.

I believe the idea is that the person has been reborn. But that is a very interesting question since the original converts to Islam never changed their names.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

I believe the idea is that the person has been reborn. But that is a very interesting question since the original converts to Islam never changed their names.

That was because the original converts to Islam were Arabs.

 

[[Redacted]-san]

I used to change my religious beliefs just as a screw you to my parents, then I realized I went through a stupid phase of wanting some useless identity.
Now I'm just apathetic about religious stuff in general, and will learn more about some of them at least, and stop being an atheist dickhead.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Is Islam+left complaining relevent anymore? It was big around 2014-2016 and then disappeared after troons shot up to the top of the diversity stack.

 

[MrJokerRager]

That was because the original converts to Islam were Arabs.

If you read deeper into Islamic history, they believe in over 120000 prophets and that the prophets that Jews and Christians believe in, are all Muslims. Adam and Eve were Muslims. And they got Arabic names for them.

And that every newborn baby according to some sects are Muslims who get subverted by their parents.

Edit: I hate writing on a phone. So many spelling and grammer errors.

 

[Dildo]

Is Islam+left complaining relevent anymore? It was big around 2014-2016 and then disappeared after troons shot up to the top of the diversity stack.

Have they really though? In Bongistan at least, Gender identification has since been curtailed and LGBT teaching in schools has stopped since Moffat, the headteacher recruited to try and teach these in Muslim schools, was cast out twice.

In the US perhaps, elsewhere in Europe the troons are getting their asses handed to them. The EU might be non-Christian, but it absolutely is very racist in the older and genuine sense of the world and certainly not woke.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Have they really though? In Bongistan at least, Gender identification has since been curtailed and LGBT teaching in schools has stopped since Moffat, the headteacher recruited to try and teach these in Muslim schools, was cast out twice.

In the US perhaps, elsewhere in Europe the troons are getting their asses handed to them. The EU might be non-Christian, but it absolutely is very racist in the older and genuine sense of the world and certainly not woke.

Ironically stopping those gender studies is one of the things that we can credit the muslims for. But people don't care anymore about the Muslims in Europe because nothing fucking changed for the last half decade. Not to mention that promoting illegal immigration replaced the call to bring muslim "refugees" from countries that have no war.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

No shit, a wahabbi sunni most likely. I want to see him debate that doc guy.

Mate, the discussion between Muslims in the west has progress way beyond that at this point, if you expected anything else you're way behind.

There are a total of 73 sects in Islam so far but Ahmedis are excluded for not technically believing in Muhammad being the last prophet.

73 is the number of sects there will be as per the prophecy of the Prophet (PBUH), but I don't know that we've quite reached that number just yet.

They are. But unlike other groups, there is no internal concern, rebuke or attempt to expel the overzealous in Islam. Quite the opposite, they're usually praised for the vile things they do to outsiders or Muslims who aren't the right type of Muslim or not Muslim enough for them.

That's literally not the case but you obviously don't see that cus you're not Muslim and aren't plugged into that scene. Follow Ali Dawah or Dawah Man or something mate and actually watch the sort of stuff they talk about.

What victory has "The Left" had over a large western Church of consequence?

Off the top of my head, the Church of England for example has female priests now and almost every Christian I've ever met is accepting of LGBT stuff to the point where there literally the only opposition to mandating the normalising homosexuality within sex education in the UK was basically just Muslims.

Like any good Christian pastor can twist the Bible to justify anything, Islamic Jurists are just as talented at drawing things out to support their own personal beliefs.

This is a massive false equivalence, the ability for a random jurist to make something up and push it is significantly curtailed by the fact Islamic theology is much more straightforward and advanced compared to Christian theology.

You say lying is bad, and yet Taqiyya exists.

I didn't, that would be a ridiculous position to take and even if I had, if a person says 'killing is bad' wouldn't it still be consistent to make exceptions to that rule in certain cases, as most people do? I mean it takes a few seconds to realise how little this makes sense I'm not sure why you even bothered making this point.

You may not personally believe it; because of course you are a TRUE and HONEST Muslim while everyone else clearly must have it at least a little bit wrong.

Not believing in taqiyya is a view the vast majority of Muslims hold so I'm still not sure what the point of this is? This entire point is literally just 'other people have different positions than you so you're not allowed to have positions'.

If you'd like a very famous historical example consider when the Caliph Mamun proclaimed that the Qu'ran was created, and with exception to Ahmad ibn Hanbal and presumably smaller less recognized figures that likely did so too, the entire umma lied and pretended to accept his teaching until he fell out of power.

I'm not sure about your claim the entire ummah just lied, mutazilism was quite mainstream during that time period, aqeeda just advanced with Ahmad ibn Hanbal to a more correct form.

What about the promise of safety and tolerance made to the Arabic Jews who initially supported Muhammad, before he decided actually religious plurality wasn't his thing and he'd prefer all the men dead just because lol.

Idk maybe don't violate your treaties? He didn't even unilaterally go after every Jewish tribe, it was literally just Banu Qaynuqa if you're referring to what I think you are.

I'm not saying you wouldn't, but it does little to argue against the idea that Islam is a religion actively plotting and working against co-existence, not even tolerance of , literally anyone else.

Tolerance comes in degrees, and this is what is deemed a suitable degree.

If I was going to describe ethics I'd go more with a scale of "Law" vs "Chaos"; what enables people to work together and lash out at one another as little as possible, and what does not enable this or actively hinder this.

So you're some weird kind of consequential then?

By your logic in any case, God can command rape and rape is holy and good.

Yes that is literally what I'm saying.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Mate, the discussion between Muslims in the west has progress way beyond that at this point, if you expected anything else you're way behind.

73 is the number of sects there will be as per the prophecy of the Prophet (PBUH), but I don't know that we've quite reached that number just yet.

That debate is still on going on the east as you referred to shias as rafidis earlier. And the Muslims in the east don't give two fucks about the ones in the west as they got bigger problems to deal with.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

That debate is still on going on the east as you referred to shias as rafidis earlier.

Just to be clear when I say 'raafidis' I'm referring to crypto-pagan shia sects like the Twelvers who adopt doctrines like taqiyya, not the entirety of shi'ism. There are shias who aren't nearly as problematic (like the Zaidis) and I don't mean to lump them in although they are quite the minority.

 

[Biden's Chosen]

For anyone not aware, Cat Stevens was a folk singer in the 70s who was the quintessential peace and love spreading hippie. The guy wrote Peace Train begging for everyone to just hold hands, kiss and sing kumbayah.

Once he converted to islam, all that changed. He now advocates a fatwa on Rushdie for writing The Satanic Verses, condemns women as whores if they don't walk around wearing those mudslime garbage bags from head to toe, and thinks gays need to be scourged from the earth. That belief system did that to the guy who wrote Peace Train.

He used islam to fulfill his dream of having a spine.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Yes that is literally what I'm saying.

Imagine still unironically believing in divine command theory while living in a Western nation in the year 2020.

Just to be clear when I say 'raafidis' I'm referring to crypto-pagan shia sects like the Twelvers

What makes them "crypto-pagan", exactly?