Israel vs. The Entire Islamic World - The Chosen People of Yahweh fight the Party of Allah

[Iwasamwillbe]

Thinking about the unholy matrimony of clusterfuck and quagmire that is the Middle East, and the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab conflict in particular, I began to wonder about what would occur if the State of Israel faced an attempted at invasion and/or genocide/holocaust by the combined force of every Muslim male of fighting age on the planet.

What would be the first strike? Who would throw it?

What countries, nations, and states would be roped into the war, if any?

Who would be the commanders and leaders of the armies who would fight in the war?

What would be the human cost of the war?

And most importantly, which side would eventually win?

I ask you Kiwis because with how things are boiling over in the Middle East, I think something like this might actually happen in the future.

 

[AF 802]

Israel literally has one of the best militaries in the world. Not going to happen.

 

[OB 946]

Thinking about the unholy matrimony of clusterfuck and quagmire that is the Middle East, and the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab conflict in particular, I began to wonder about what would occur if the State of Israel faced an attempted at invasion and/or genocide/holocaust by the combined force of every Muslim male of fighting age on the planet.

What would be the first strike? Who would throw it?

What countries, nations, and states would be roped into the war, if any?

Who would be the commanders and leaders of the armies who would fight in the war?

What would be the human cost of the war?

And most importantly, which side would eventually win?

I ask you Kiwis because with how things are boiling over in the Middle East, I think something like this might actually happen in the future.

Syria and Iran are the only countries in the Middle East with poor relations with Israel.

Israel literally has one of the best militaries in the world. Not going to happen.

That's a meme. Their military record is spotty at best. I can go into more detail if you'd like, but the Israeli military suffers from some serious issues that would probably cause significant problems in any kind of protracted military conflict.

 

[Some Manajerk]

Syria and Iran are the only countries in the Middle East with poor relations with Israel.



That's a meme. Their military record is spotty at best. I can go into more detail if you'd like, but the Israeli military suffers from some serious issues that would probably cause significant problems in any kind of protracted military conflict.

The best military in the world that has managed at least once to shoot a ship belonging to thier only Ally.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Added a poll.

Syria and Iran are the only countries in the Middle East with poor relations with Israel.



That's a meme. Their military record is spotty at best. I can go into more detail if you'd like, but the Israeli military suffers from some serious issues that would probably cause significant problems in any kind of protracted military conflict.

Who do you think would win this war?

 

[Clop]

if the State of Israel faced an attempted at invasion and/or genocide/holocaust by the combined force of every Muslim male of fighting age on the planet

I get that it's a hypothetical, and I hate Islam as much as any sane person, but they're not a fucking hivemind. Usually only the left keeps forgetting that there's more than one sect of Islam, and they tend to hate each other. Violently so.

 

[Marco Fucko]

The Burgerkorps would be deployed to protect Our Greatest Ally.

 

[The Last Stand]

Good question. Either way, the US would be responsible for that inevitable war. Israel is our ally supposedly, meanwhile we've given arms to the Middle East before in history. Not to mention the anti-Semitism and Islamophobia in the Western world, you'd be caught in the crossfire.

 

[Superman93]

That's a meme. Their military record is spotty at best. I can go into more detail if you'd like, but the Israeli military suffers from some serious issues that would probably cause significant problems in any kind of protracted military conflict.

They are backed by world's strongest powers. No one is autistic enough to fuck with them.


What would be the first strike? Who would throw it?
Depends on the scenario but Israel is most likely to throw the first strike because if I remember correctly given proper intelligence of an event that is a serious threat to Israel or it's people they will strike first every time.

What countries, nations, and states would be roped into the war, if any?
Everyone that's relevant to that region and their allies.

Who would be the commanders and leaders of the armies who would fight in the war?
Again depends on the conflict.
What's most likely to happen is it's just gonna be Israel vs. Palestine slapfight and Israel wins.
However, worst cast scenario the war will reach peak levels of destruction by bringing Iran because they are the biggest backers of Palestine. So the leaders would be Israel PM, US President, France President, UK PM vs Iran's President, Russia's President, Hamas and other small terrorist/insurgent groups in the region. While most other Arab countries would love to jump in mix they aren't stupid enough to risk ending relations, trade or generally pissing off the US and UK. But at the same time they don't won't support Israel's side because most Arab countries hate Israel so I believe most Arab states will remain neutral.

What would be the human cost of the war?

Probably in the millions, 100,000's minimum. Again, depends on who's fighting who and where will most of the fighting take place.

And most importantly, which side would eventually win?
Most likely Israel. However, worst case scenario all Arab-Gulf goes full re-tard and decide to attack Israel they're most likely finished. There's a lot of reasons for this but the obvious one is launching any sort of massive infantry advances will be extremely difficult since Israel is quite literally surrounded by hostile states geographically wise.

 

[Poiseon]

If there's no US military backing? That includes the $30 billion a year we give them for their defense spending.

Without the US they'd be torn to pieces and buttfucked so hard Andy Dufresne would have flashbacks. People shit on the middle east for poor militarizes but their armies are still more experienced the armies from the EU, and the Israelis don't have resources for any kind of sustained campaign without US backing.

Without America, there would be no Israel in the first place. And without it's continued support, Israel would be absorbed by its neighbors and forgotten to time, or just a footnote in the horrifically violent history of the middle east.

 

[OB 946]

I get that it's a hypothetical, and I hate Islam as much as any sane person, but they're not a fucking hivemind. Usually only the left keeps forgetting that there's more than one sect of Islam, and they tend to hate each other. Violently so.

This. People need to remember that Israel gives a reason for peace

They are backed by world's strongest powers. No one is autistic enough to fuck with them.


What would be the first strike? Who would throw it?
Depends on the scenario but Israel is most likely to throw the first strike because if I remember correctly given proper intelligence of an event that is a serious threat to Israel or it's people they will strike first every time.

What countries, nations, and states would be roped into the war, if any?
Everyone that's relevant to that region and their allies.

Who would be the commanders and leaders of the armies who would fight in the war?
Again depends on the conflict.
What's most likely to happen is it's just gonna be Israel vs. Palestine slapfight and Israel wins.
However, worst cast scenario the war will reach peak levels of destruction by bringing Iran because they are the biggest backers of Palestine. So the leaders would be Israel PM, US President, France President, UK PM vs Iran's President, Russia's President, Hamas and other small terrorist/insurgent groups in the region. While most other Arab countries would love to jump in mix they aren't stupid enough to risk ending relations, trade or generally pissing off the US and UK. But at the same time they don't won't support Israel's side because most Arab countries hate Israel so I believe most Arab states will remain neutral.

What would be the human cost of the war?

Probably in the millions, 100,000's minimum. Again, depends on who's fighting who and where will most of the fighting take place.

And most importantly, which side would eventually win?
Most likely Israel. However, worst case scenario all Arab-Gulf goes full re-tard and decide to attack Israel they're most likely finished. There's a lot of reasons for this but the obvious one is launching any sort of massive infantry advances will be extremely difficult since Israel is quite literally surrounded by hostile states geographically wise.

Nah, the Israeli military would be utterly overwhelmed, probably within weeks if not days. They would run out of PGMs. The United States doesn't have enough resources in the region to effectively prop them up and we can't deploy a QRF fast enough to prevent a total military collapse.

 

[Superman93]

This. People need to remember that Israel gives a reason for peace


Nah, the Israeli military would be utterly overwhelmed, probably within weeks if not days. They would run out of PGMs. The United States doesn't have enough resources in the region to effectively prop them up and we can't deploy a QRF fast enough to prevent a total military collapse.

I do agree with you but I think we should also take economies and trade into account. The west will no longer want any business with the middle east (most likely a temporary hold of trade). The west's economy completely overshadows all of the middle east.

Will the combine forces of all Arab countries destroy Israel even with western power help? Absolutely, but who is stupid enough to upset the world's superpowers when they have the fattest wallets. Some if not most Arab states will think twice in joining the conflict as it will most likely cause economic peril in their own countries and cause further destabilization in the middle east.

 

[OB 946]

I do agree with you but I think we should also take economies and trade into account. The west will no longer want any business with the middle east (most likely a temporary hold of trade). The west's economy completely overshadows all of the middle east.

Will the combine forces of all Arab countries destroy Israel even with western power help? Absolutely, but who is stupid enough to upset the world's superpowers when they have the fattest wallets. Some if not most Arab states will think twice in joining the conflict as it will most likely cause economic peril in their own countries and cause further destabilization in the middle east.

Yeah well I mean this entire thing is retarded and would never happen anyway. If we start calculating stuff like that it just adds another level of retardation.

 

[Eryngium]

Israel literally has one of the best militaries in the world. Not going to happen.

They also have nukes and killed JFK and RFK so they wouldn't take away their nukes.

 

[Rikka Takarada 2]

The 6-Day War already answered most of the OP's questions, and if anything the military imbalance has only grown more in favour of Israel since. Now, if anything, we have the added caveat of countries like Oman and Saudi Arabia being much more conciliatory towards Israel - to say nothing of what might be going on in the rest of the region behind closed doors - so if some loon like Assad attacked them today he'd probably be told "you're on your own."

And if Iran attacked Israel, pretty much the whole region would probably put aside their differences to fuck Iran.

 

[OB 946]

The 6-Day War already answered most of the OP's questions, and if anything the military imbalance has only grown more in favour of Israel since. Now, if anything, we have the added caveat of countries like Oman and Saudi Arabia being much more conciliatory towards Israel - to say nothing of what might be going on in the rest of the region behind closed doors - so if some loon like Assad attacked them today he'd probably be told "you're on your own."

And if Iran attacked Israel, pretty much the whole region would probably put aside their differences to fuck Iran.

The IDF during the 6 day war was a different beast. They were all WWII vets and many of them survived the holocaust or had parents that did. They were ready to make the ultimate sacrifice. The arabs were using monkey model tanks with no training and no experience.

The modern IDF has no stomach for war. Several Sheyetet 13 members were killed by terrorists in an ambush in what was supposed to be a gimme mission. An entire airborne brigade was held up for weeks by a single squad of Islamists. Border guards for a while were being regularly kidnapped and Israel caved and traded several high level terrorists for their boys back. In 2005 Hamas killed so many Israelis using AKs, homemade rockets, and literal rocks that Israel left Gaza for good and demolished all their settlements.

The modern state of Israel has absolutely no stomach for war. Their soldiers are shit, their training is a joke, they have a false confidence because of their ancestors that they feel they don't need to work hard to maintain that discipline. All the while the arabs around them gather valuable combat experience. The SAA is probably one of the most experienced fighting forces on the planet right now. Iraq has totally rebuilt their army from the ground up. Egypt has a hardened and experienced fighting force, Saudi Arabia has gathered tons of experience while in Yemen. Jordan has been bolstering their military and training since Syria popped off, they've taken on advisors from the US and Iraq and therefore have most of the knowledge we've gained from these wars. Iran has gathered tons of knowledge from their troops sent to Iraq and Syria.

All the while Israel grows more fat and complacent. All the while their military becomes less and less disciplined and more and more experienced soldiers and officers retire. Israel, quite frankly, doesn't stand a fucking chance. They would probably outright lose a war to the SAA alone, let alone a repeat of the Six Day War.

 

[Rikka Takarada 2]

The SAA is probably one of the most experienced fighting forces on the planet right now. Iraq has totally rebuilt their army from the ground up. Egypt has a hardened and experienced fighting force, Saudi Arabia has gathered tons of experience while in Yemen. Jordan has been bolstering their military and training since Syria popped off, they've taken on advisors from the US and Iraq and therefore have most of the knowledge we've gained from these wars. Iran has gathered tons of knowledge from their troops sent to Iraq and Syria.

This grim picture for Israel would rely on the Mideast actually getting along as well as they used to though - which they don't.

Saudi Arabia in particular has softened its stance on Israel considerably, especially given its ties to the US and fear of Iran. Jordan has too to a lesser extent (at least officially). Iraq, meanwhile, is under the US's thumb more or less. Resurrecting most of the old alliance would be impossible.

Syria is also still outcast in the region because of the war (and the fact the minority government is Shia) and its army isn't in as good a shape as it was before the war; Assad's army is basically being propped up by Hezbollah, Iran, and Russia - and the former two would make most of the region unlikely to join an attack by Syria on Israel.

Last but not least: Iran is Iran - a hardline Shia theocracy that's belligerent to its Sunni neighbours to the point that they fear the prospect of Iran getting nuked more than they fear the fact Israel already has them; any attack by Iran could lead to Saudi at least siding with Israel (at least unofficially).

 

[Woke Blue Muttlema]

If the people within your borders cant get along dont expect them to bring any final solution.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Nobody wins. Samson Option.

The best military in the world that has managed at least once to shoot a ship belonging to thier only Ally.

Shiiiiiit.

List of friendly fire incidents - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also, the US wasn't really their main ally at the time let alone their only. Those Mirage III/Nesher/Kfirs and Centurions (Sho't) didn't come from nowhere. The bulk of US support came later. Cemented during the Yom Kippur War with Nickel Grass.

 

[ZeCommissar]

Without any foreign backing Israel would eventually lose. They don't have the sustained population, industry, and will to take on the entire Middle East for a long period of time. Hell the muslims can just use human wave tactics constantly and they would eventually win.