lol do people really? It's probably my favorite and most-read book, but considering it's a required-reading book for some and the fanbase is primarily made up of fujoshi/shotacons who make fanvideos like this and fanfiction like this (which is rather enjoyable), I find it incredibly hard to believe anyone could boast about reading it, lest they want to come off as a teen girl.Books like Lord of the Flies
I think I got about 40 pages in before the endnotes, and the footnotes to the endnotes, etc. just left me annoyed. Like, I have no problem with putting some work into reading a book, but it just seemed like he was doing it just to prove he could get away with it.I've always wanted to read this but my add would kill me. It's defnitly an infinite circle jerk though.
Postmodern literature is like postmodern academic theory or anything else. It's more concerned with appearing to have meaning than actually having meaning. To help persuade people that meaning exists where there is none, confusing language is often used. Authority is also invoked (academics say this book is good so it must be good, queer theory is important because academics say it's important) so that people who might judge the work on it's merits will feel uncomfortable and defer to authority.In a similar vein...do people actually enjoy Pynchon, or do they only like him because he uses big words and convoluted references?
I dunno, it's kinda hard to read through when half of the novel is Heinlein sperging about his ideal utopia and how awesome it is when I just wanna read about military training and power armor porn.Starship Troopers was a young adult novel. Very influential on modern scifi, but was 100% written for 16 year olds. You’re just being a pretentious contrarian.
Its all about the meta rather than the actual content, thats why they like retarded walking simulator games that serve no purpose.Postmodern literature is like postmodern academic theory or anything else. It's more concerned with appearing to have meaning than actually having meaning. To help persuade people that meaning exists where there is none, confusing language is often used. Authority is also invoked (academics say this book is good so it must be good, queer theory is important because academics say it's important) so that people who might judge the work on it's merits will feel uncomfortable and defer to authority.
In short, no
I love Old Man and The Sea exactly for that reason. It's just man vs. nature for like, a hundred pages. No flowery bullshit, just a dude killing a fish, as God intendedWhile I love the book, The Great Gatsby is definitely deserving to be included here. I'd also put most poetry books but I just think poetry in general is largely pretentious crap. I think another big one is Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea for the simple fact that people read way too much into the "deep symbolism" present when Hemingway was quoted as saying:
Yet if you look up the book you have a bunch of people rambling on about all the deeper meanings of every little detail of the book. It makes them feel smarter that they've over analyzed a book that the author has stated has no such symbolism.
Big disagree here, one of my favourite novels.4. Slaughterhouse Five, Kurt Vonnegut
Big agree here: never tackled the sequels, but Dune is worth anyone's time.Dune-- I fucking love the Dune trilogy, and I think it's really great deconstructive nihilistic stuff.
HEY. I unironically enjoyed Atlas Shrugged (skipped the speech though) and had to drop Atlas Shrugged for being a fucking slog.I'll see your Atlas Shrugged and I'll raise you The Fountainhead.
And I'll counter that these are books people read to make them SEEM smart. AND FAIL.
I've read all of those, but I'm a pretentious asshole so...No one else brought 'em up, so I may as well do it: The pretentiousness combo:
1. The Catcher in the Rye, JD Salinger
2. La Rebelion De Las Masas, José Ortega y Gasset
3. The Art of War, Sun Tzu
4. Slaughterhouse Five, Kurt Vonnegut
5. On the Road, Jack Kerouac
Most of Heinlein's work is great if you can overlook his.....younger tastes. I went through Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land, I Will Fear No Evil, and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress over the last year.Starship Troopers is another one. I am 80% sure it is a purpose built honeytrap for pop political philosophy retards, the other 20% is the knowledge that Heinlein wrote Stranger in a Strange Land (The book people read because its in a billie joel song and never make it to the orgies).
I really enjoy it but I see Sargon types release hours long videos about its politics and just want to die.
The main thing is to read it because you think you will enjoy it not because you want to feel smart. People circlejerk books like Infinite jest and House of leaves because they are good books but often miss the point because they only read it so they can talk about how deep it is. Same with anime movies like akira and ghost in the shell.
Imagine reading a badly written YA novel to seem smart and educated lmao. I tried reading a PDF of The Hate U Give just to see what the fuss was about, and quit after about ten pages. The whole thing just reeked of "how do you do, fellow kids?"The Hate U Give is one people "read" in order to seem smart and educated. Back in college I saw fliers for the book because some shitty book club was reading it. I kind of wanted to start a classics reading club but I knew all we would do is read books by women, that school was so obsessed with divershitty.