ITT we sperg about HOAs -

[Coccxys]

I spent 5 minutes skimming through, and the only vaguely interesting clause is this one:

New SOP Resolution.docx

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It's another sign that this isn't really working farm country, just city people playing ranchers on their weekends.

I'm so glad I live in a country where HOAs aren't a thing. Like I thought Americans were staunchly against being told what they can and can't do with their own property but then they go along with that nonsense.

Those rules definitely show this ain't farming country.

 

[White Devil]

I'm so glad I live in a country where HOAs aren't a thing. Like I thought Americans were staunchly against being told what they can and can't do with their own property but then they go along with that nonsense.

Those rules definitely show this ain't farming country.

HOAs are fundamentally unamerican I've always maintained.

 

[Spunt]

I'm so glad I live in a country where HOAs aren't a thing. Like I thought Americans were staunchly against being told what they can and can't do with their own property but then they go along with that nonsense.

Those rules definitely show this ain't farming country.

You need to remember that America was founded by Puritans who thought that England under Oliver Cromwell (a man who ran a Protestant Taliban who banned dancing, genocided the Irish because they were Catholic and literally cancelled Christmas) wasn't oppressive enough for them, and in particular didn't let them oppress each other as much as they wanted. So they founded a colony where they would have the "freedom" to be even more oppressed, and own slaves that they couldn't own in England.

To this day, American "freedom" often boils down to the right to boss other people around with self-righteous glee, and you see it in everything from Cancel Culture to the Karen phenomenon. I lived in the US for a bit, and what struck me was the sheer number of petty rules and regulations everywhere - not imposed by the government (British-style), but imposed by its own citizens on each other instead. The HOA thing is just more 'murican "freedom" at its best, Americans are at their happiest when they can be petty tyrants to each other and the subject matter of this thread is a perfect example.

 

[NyQuilninja]

You need to remember that America was founded by Puritans who thought that England under Oliver Cromwell (a man who ran a Protestant Taliban who banned dancing and literally cancelled Christmas) wasn't oppressive enough for them, and in particular didn't let them oppress each other as much as they wanted. So they founded a colony where they would have the "freedom" to be even more oppressed, and own slaves that they couldn't own in England.

To this day, American "freedom" often boils down to the right to boss other people around with self-righteous glee, and you see it in everything from Cancel Culture to the Karen phenomenon. I lived in the US for a bit, and what struck me was the sheer number of petty rules and regulations everywhere - not imposed by the government (British-style), but imposed by its own citizens on each other instead. The HOA thing is just more 'murican "freedom" at its best, Americans are at their happiest when they can be petty tyrants to each other and the subject matter of this thread is a perfect example.

You do know and understand that not everyone has a H.O.A nor is it a requirement everywhere in America.

 

[Spunt]

You do know and understand that not everyone has a H.O.A nor is it a requirement everywhere in America.

Of course I do. But I also know and understand that if you tried that shit in the UK, even though it's a literal Police State, there would be rioting in the streets.

The British hate being oppressed by their neighbours but love being oppressed by the State. In America it's the other way around. Hence the Tranch and their neighbours settling their disputes with guns, threats and fortifications rather than calling the cops. If this happened in the UK someone would have called the Council the second an Alpaca shat somewhere it shouldn't and there would be a million cops swarming everywhere checking everyone's loicence. We would then pass the Trans Alpaca (Ranch) Act 2021 that let the Police arrest everyone for no reason at all and everyone would cheer.

I'm not saying our way is any better, btw.

 

[FreakyFredsTrannyGranny]

I'm so glad I live in a country where HOAs aren't a thing. Like I thought Americans were staunchly against being told what they can and can't do with their own property but then they go along with that nonsense.

Those rules definitely show this ain't farming country.

You are correct and I'm quite confident a large portion of Americans hate HOAs but like most bureaucracies it's easier just to roll your eyes and submit.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

The HOA thing is just more 'murican "freedom" at its best, Americans are at their happiest when they can be petty tyrants to each other and the subject matter of this thread is a perfect example.

True; but there's also an equal number who just want to be left alone.

Don't fuck with our calm, mate.

 

[Cardenio]

You need to remember that America was founded by Puritans who thought that England under Oliver Cromwell (a man who ran a Protestant Taliban who banned dancing, genocided the Irish because they were Catholic and literally cancelled Christmas) wasn't oppressive enough for them, and in particular didn't let them oppress each other as much as they wanted. So they founded a colony where they would have the "freedom" to be even more oppressed, and own slaves that they couldn't own in England.

To this day, American "freedom" often boils down to the right to boss other people around with self-righteous glee, and you see it in everything from Cancel Culture to the Karen phenomenon. I lived in the US for a bit, and what struck me was the sheer number of petty rules and regulations everywhere - not imposed by the government (British-style), but imposed by its own citizens on each other instead. The HOA thing is just more 'murican "freedom" at its best, Americans are at their happiest when they can be petty tyrants to each other and the subject matter of this thread is a perfect example.

I don't know if I'm lucky or something but all the anti-HOA propaganda I see on the internet seems rather absurd. My HOA only makes sure people put their trash containers inside at the right time and will bitch if you paint parts of your outside house the wrong color.

Lived in my current house for 3 years now. Not much of a big deal.

 

[NyQuilninja]

Of course I do. But I also know and understand that if you tried that shit in the UK, even though it's a literal Police State, there would be rioting in the streets.

The British hate being oppressed by their neighbours but love being oppressed by the State. In America it's the other way around. Hence the Tranch and their neighbours settling their disputes with guns, threats and fortifications rather than calling the cops. If this happened in the UK someone would have called the Council the second an Alpaca shat somewhere it shouldn't and there would be a million cops swarming everywhere checking everyone's loicence. We would then pass the Trans Alpaca (Ranch) Act 2021 that let the Police arrest everyone for no reason at all and everyone would cheer.

I'm not saying our way is any better, btw.

Oh you're a erofag from bongland ok that makes sense now.
Most places in America don't have H.O.A they are put in place for a couple of reasons
1. To keep poor people out
2. To screw yuppies over living in shitty townhouse developments
3.for rural land development
But your right I guess we can have the perfect system of leasing a house and never owning it like bongland
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There are two fundamentally different forms of legal ownership: freehold and leasehold. Although estate agents tend to gloss over it, the difference can be between a home that is worth buying and one that isn’t. Many people who don’t sort this out when they buy a home end up regretting it – getting it wrong can be hugely expensive.

https://hoa.org.uk/advice/guides-for-homeowners/i-am-buying/leasehold-v-freehold-whats-the-difference/

 

[Spunt]

Oh you're a erofag from bongland ok that makes sense now.
Most places in America don't have H.O.A they are put in place for a couple of reasons
1. To keep poor people out
2. To screw yuppies over living in shitty townhouse developments
3.for rural land development
But your right I guess we can have the perfect system of leasing a house and never owning it like bongland
................................................
There are two fundamentally different forms of legal ownership: freehold and leasehold. Although estate agents tend to gloss over it, the difference can be between a home that is worth buying and one that isn’t. Many people who don’t sort this out when they buy a home end up regretting it – getting it wrong can be hugely expensive.

https://hoa.org.uk/advice/guides-for-homeowners/i-am-buying/leasehold-v-freehold-whats-the-difference/

Yeah - my point was more that HOAs are more an example of American petty authoritarianism, not that they're all that common in most places. It's only something that you would really pick up on if you've lived in both countries for a while. In America, if you go to a swimming pool, or a parking lot, or even a restaurant, there are just so many more angry rules and regulations than the equivalent in the UK. Here, people will literally cut off wheel clamps/boots with angle grinders if they're issued by private companies, but if it's the Council they'll just pay the fine and apologise for being an inconvenience.

Agreed that leasehold is a fucking scam. Note to Britbongs who may be looking at getting on the housing ladder - it's literally better to rent in the UK than lease, and that's not an exaggeration in any way. Renters have all sorts of legal protections, leasehold can leave you in a massive financial black hole (the freeholder can not only charge you basically unlimited numbers for repairs, but also make you pay for expansion and building works that don't benefit you) and there's nothing you can do except pucker up your asshole and ask for more. At least when you rent you know how much it's going to cost. Leasehold is basically signing blank cheques. The biggest freeholder of leasehold properties in the UK by far is, of course, the state. How British.

In Germany, of course, you get both - both the state and private companies/individuals will give you long lists of rules to obey and the Germans will obey them enthusiastically. They love taking orders, do the Germans. Whereas the French don't give a fuck about either and if you try they will riot and smash your shit up. That's what I like about the French (and the Italians), the rest of the world could really learn from their attitudes to authority.

Sorry if this has gone a bit off-topic. I just thought it was an interesting cultural difference compared to how the Tranch situation would have unfolded elsewhere.

 

[NyQuilninja]

Yeah - my point was more that HOAs are more an example of American petty authoritarianism, not that they're all that common in most places. It's only something that you would really pick up on if you've lived in both countries for a while. In America, if you go to a swimming pool, or a parking lot, or even a restaurant, there are just so many more angry rules and regulations than the equivalent in the UK. Here, people will literally cut off wheel clamps/boots with angle grinders if they're issued by private companies, but if it's the Council they'll just pay the fine and apologise for being an inconvenience.

Agreed that leasehold is a fucking scam. Note to Britbongs who may be looking at getting on the housing ladder - it's literally better to rent in the UK than lease, and that's not an exaggeration in any way. Renters have all sorts of legal protections, leasehold can leave you in a massive financial black hole (the freeholder can not only charge you basically unlimited numbers for repairs, but also make you pay for expansion and building works that don't benefit you) and there's nothing you can do except pucker up your asshole and ask for more. At least when you rent you know how much it's going to cost. Leasehold is basically signing blank cheques. The biggest freeholder of leasehold properties in the UK by far is, of course, the state. How British.

In Germany, of course, you get both - both the state and private companies/individuals will give you long lists of rules to obey and the Germans will obey them enthusiastically. They love taking orders, do the Germans. Whereas the French don't give a fuck about either and if you try they will riot and smash your shit up. That's what I like about the French (and the Italians), the rest of the world could really learn from their attitudes to authority.

Sorry if this has gone a bit off-topic. I just thought it was an interesting cultural difference compared to how the Tranch situation would have unfolded elsewhere.

petty authoritarianism isnt why we have all these stupid rules and stupid laws. It's to keep stupid people from Doing stupid things and then suing companies and individuals for doing said stupid things. Like the nigger that used Gorilla glue in her hair.

 

[Sourceress]

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I love how they keep posting stuff like this - "I can ASSURE you the threat is fucking REAL" - when all it would take to make everyone believe them would be to take pictures and video of the offenders and post it. That's all. It's not a security threat, these people are all going by their real names and it's not like the people harassing them don't know that they're harassing them! So just post the dang picture and get it over with, guys.

Of course, they won't, because it's all made up. But you know. It boggles the mind how they just keep pushing "believe me, believe me" when they spent loads of supporter dollars on security cameras that apparently can't take one single picture or video, let alone their smartphones.

You are correct and I'm quite confident a large portion of Americans hate HOAs but like most bureaucracies it's easier just to roll your eyes and submit.

In a lot of parts of the US, especially in or near cities, you can't find properties without HOAs, at least not easily. Every new development comes with its very own HOA around my parts, for example. And the HOAs here are really bad, very strict and micromanaging (not to mention expensive - they make you pay dues for the privilege of being told what color you have to paint your house!). We went out of our way to find a house that wasn't in an HOA neighborhood when we bought our house.

 

[NyQuilninja]

I love how they keep posting stuff like this - "I can ASSURE you the threat is fucking REAL" - when all it would take to make everyone believe them would be to take pictures and video of the offenders and post it. That's all. It's not a security threat, these people are all going by their real names and it's not like the people harassing them don't know that they're harassing them! So just post the dang picture and get it over with, guys.

Of course, they won't, because it's all made up. But you know. It boggles the mind how they just keep pushing "believe me, believe me" when they spent loads of supporter dollars on security cameras that apparently can't take one single picture or video, let alone their smartphones.


In a lot of parts of the US, especially in or near cities, you can't find properties without HOAs, at least not easily. Every new development comes with its very own HOA around my parts, for example. And the HOAs here are really bad, very strict and micromanaging (not to mention expensive - they make you pay dues for the privilege of being told what color you have to paint your house!). We went out of our way to find a house that wasn't in an HOA neighborhood when we bought our house.

Same here brought a house and had sure it didnt a Hoa they are akin to paying lot rent. And yes I do admit they are becoming very comman and widespread in newer developments

 

[Ghostse]

Of course I do. But I also know and understand that if you tried that shit in the UK, even though it's a literal Police State, there would be rioting in the streets.

The British hate being oppressed by their neighbours but love being oppressed by the State. In America it's the other way around. Hence the Tranch and their neighbours settling their disputes with guns, threats and fortifications rather than calling the cops. If this happened in the UK someone would have called the Council the second an Alpaca shat somewhere it shouldn't and there would be a million cops swarming everywhere checking everyone's loicence. We would then pass the Trans Alpaca (Ranch) Act 2021 that let the Police arrest everyone for no reason at all and everyone would cheer.

I'm not saying our way is any better, btw.

You can lynch your neighbors if they piss off enough people. Its a good sight harder to remove the queen - you've got to get an army together, erect a scaffold, eventually kill the new guy, etc. If you hate your HOA, you can move to a place with a different or better HOA (like no HOA). Post-brexit, fogniggers are stuck with their choice of two islands and the same government.

I will preface this: If you have a yard & an HOA, I think you are a fucking moron. But I've lived in highrises and an HOA there is absolutely a necessary evil required to keep people from not just acting like the lot of frothing retards they are.

The function of an HOA is to keep out the niggers, jews, and papists basically act as a non-governmental arbitration body. It keeps the neighborhood fairly static. Its basically a smaller scale even more toothless council that doesn't have any requirements of the wellbeing of those under its authority.

I've been under a few HOAs, a town where the local ordinances removed any need for HOAs, and places where faggot talk like "Association" will get you turned into a truck anchor if you keep it up. Who is running the HOA matters a great deal - if the board is run by a bunch of people who are chill, then you never know there's an HOA except you write them checks for common area up keep. Petty neighbor disputes get funneled and handled by the board until one party or the other gets bored or moves out, and that's better than the cops showing up for pennyante shit or new laws getting put on the books.

OTOH you get Karens and power-hunger meddling tyrants on there, and its absolutely fucking awful.

tl;dr/Translation to Serf: U W0T M8? Ol' Bill coming round bruv, best have your freedom license in order if youse ain't a moeslem.

 

[Sourceress]

Same here brought a house and had sure it didnt a Hoa they are akin to paying lot rent. And yes I do admit they are becoming very comman and widespread in newer developments

Yeah, it's one of those things, like... I can understand an HOA for a townhouse or condo development, because then your dues cover maintenance on stuff that isn't any one person's responsibility, like the roofing on your condo building or lawn care for the townhouses collectively or whatever, fine. I can kind of understand an HOA in a neighborhood if that neighborhood has amenities that are available for homeowners like a pool or a park that the dues pay to keep up. In those cases, the dues are actually paying for something that benefits you (and all the other people living there as well). So it's cool.

But in my area it's like... here's a neighborhood with zero amenities and just a bunch of cookie cutter houses. They've got an HOA, and you pay dues for the privilege of being told that you can only paint your house one of three shades of beige, that your grass has to be exactly this short at all times, that your Christmas decorations have to be down by January 3rd, what six breeds of dog you're allowed to own, etc. etc. To me, that's just ridiculous. And if you don't do as they say, not only can they fine you more money, but they can put a lien on your house!

Not to mention that idk what it's like in other parts of the country, but around here our HOA neighborhoods are all pretty isolated big suburban sprawls - lots of houses, not a lot of anything else. So it's just inconvenient and ridiculous. I can't imagine living in a city and still having to drive 10 minutes to get to a store or restaurant because you have to get out of your stupid big housing development first. And to pay for the pleasure? Pfft. No thanks.

 

[NyQuilninja]

Yeah, it's one of those things, like... I can understand an HOA for a townhouse or condo development, because then your dues cover maintenance on stuff that isn't any one person's responsibility, like the roofing on your condo building or lawn care for the townhouses collectively or whatever, fine. I can kind of understand an HOA in a neighborhood if that neighborhood has amenities that are available for homeowners like a pool or a park that the dues pay to keep up. In those cases, the dues are actually paying for something that benefits you (and all the other people living there as well). So it's cool.

But in my area it's like... here's a neighborhood with zero amenities and just a bunch of cookie cutter houses. They've got an HOA, and you pay dues for the privilege of being told that you can only paint your house one of three shades of beige, that your grass has to be exactly this short at all times, that your Christmas decorations have to be down by January 3rd, what six breeds of dog you're allowed to own, etc. etc. To me, that's just ridiculous. And if you don't do as they say, not only can they fine you more money, but they can put a lien on your house!

Not to mention that idk what it's like in other parts of the country, but around here our HOA neighborhoods are all pretty isolated big suburban sprawls - lots of houses, not a lot of anything else. So it's just inconvenient and ridiculous. I can't imagine living in a city and still having to drive 10 minutes to get to a store or restaurant because you have to get out of your stupid big housing development first. And to pay for the pleasure? Pfft. No thanks.

In some cases it's to keep the poors and niggers out but it's also a rent paying scam run by Karen's on a power trip . Now as for are wacky alpaca packing trannies they are the kinda people that H.O As are designed to keep out. I still think the tranch is a larp that's Spiraled out of control. And now they have 2oo+ animals being neglected while they dilate in a trash hole of their own making

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Yeah, it's one of those things, like... I can understand an HOA for a townhouse or condo development, because then your dues cover maintenance on stuff that isn't any one person's responsibility, like the roofing on your condo building or lawn care for the townhouses collectively or whatever, fine. I can kind of understand an HOA in a neighborhood if that neighborhood has amenities that are available for homeowners like a pool or a park that the dues pay to keep up. In those cases, the dues are actually paying for something that benefits you (and all the other people living there as well). So it's cool.

But in my area it's like... here's a neighborhood with zero amenities and just a bunch of cookie cutter houses. They've got an HOA, and you pay dues for the privilege of being told that you can only paint your house one of three shades of beige, that your grass has to be exactly this short at all times, that your Christmas decorations have to be down by January 3rd, what six breeds of dog you're allowed to own, etc. etc. To me, that's just ridiculous. And if you don't do as they say, not only can they fine you more money, but they can put a lien on your house!

Not to mention that idk what it's like in other parts of the country, but around here our HOA neighborhoods are all pretty isolated big suburban sprawls - lots of houses, not a lot of anything else. So it's just inconvenient and ridiculous. I can't imagine living in a city and still having to drive 10 minutes to get to a store or restaurant because you have to get out of your stupid big housing development first. And to pay for the pleasure? Pfft. No thanks.

It really does depend on the HOA. They’re terrible if it’s Karen’s just bossing people around for no reason. At the same time though I’ve known of HOAs that successfully lobbied to keep away Walmarts, stepped in to stop a crazie from making modern art in their front yard (thank God), and in one instance forced a townhome owner to get a Bed Bug service - his home was the epicenter but he refused to pay for it because he didn’t itch from the bites.

 

[Sourceress]

It really does depend on the HOA. They’re terrible if it’s Karen’s just bossing people around for no reason. At the same time though I’ve known of HOAs that successfully lobbied to keep away Walmarts, stepped in to stop a crazie from making modern art in their front yard (thank God), and in one instance forced a townhome owner to get a Bed Bug service - his home was the epicenter but he refused to pay for it because he didn’t itch from the bites.

That's fair, definitely. Around here the HOAs are pretty bad, so that's what my experience has been. They ban so many dog breeds you'd have to buy from an out of state breeder just to be able to have a dog, they police the hell out of your grass length and the specific shade of brown your house or fence is painted, ban work trucks from driveways even if they belong to the people living there, etc. I don't think the HOAs here have ever done any good thing for anyone lol.

 

[Coccxys]

They ban so many dog breeds you'd have to buy from an out of state breeder just to be able to have a dog,

ban work trucks from driveways even if they belong to the people living there,

I can't even work out how they have the power to do this shit, nor the logic behind it. Like those are the sort of people who would get laughed at so hard if they came and started telling you to do that shit here.

We've all had the neighbourhood Karen but the traditional response here would be flouresent pink paint for the fence and a lawn that rivals the grasslands of the savanna so you can grab a beer with the guys and laugh at the seething.

 

[Sourceress]

I can't even work out how they have the power to do this shit, nor the logic behind it. Like those are the sort of people who would get laughed at so hard if they came and started telling you to do that shit here.

We've all had the neighbourhood Karen but the traditional response here would be flouresent pink paint for the fence and a lawn that rivals the grasslands of the savanna so you can grab a beer with the guys and laugh at the seething.

Unfortunately most of our HOAs are corporate-run, not people-run, so there's nothing that can really be done about it. They don't even bother with votes for a lot of stuff, including the banned dog breed list, they just go "this is how things are now, tough". I still don't know how they get people to buy houses in their neighborhoods honestly.