Jace's Mental health -

[Null]

I'm curious what you guys think of Jace's current state.

He is DEFINITELY less spastic, but he still clings to the old tropes. I made the mistake of thinking he was totally lucid when he posted this:

Yea I fucking am. I'm taking my meds and now im "sane" I am realizing the fact that I fucked up off my meds and Its pissing me the fuck off cuz my life is SHIT now and all I can think about is fucking revenge. So yea you can say I'm fucking stressed josh.

The amount of introspection in this post is fucking phenomenal, but after telling him that people pandering to him with "semper fi commander" were "baby-talking" him, he got mad again saying I was insulting his military history.

I think that the distinction between recognizing his life in a general state of disrepair and accepting how other people are treating them is a ruse is what level of though he's put towards it. Jace is bored often and probably considers his general state of being a lot, which would give him the prefabricated opinion that things are shitty and for the reasons he mentioned. However, when put on the spot about the facetious behavior of certain members, he hasn't had time to come to a rational conclusion and resets back to the behavior his meds are treating.

Over time I see Jace becoming more predictable and less of a lolcow. Rob's plan has effectively worked. I now believe the 3 privilege points he gets a day aren't just a general allowance, they're a reward for consistently taking his anti-psychotic medications. In the short time after his final livestream, we've seen a huge improvement in behavior. He's still emotionally around 15 years old, but he's more mature and self-aware now.

This could be the first full fledged lolcow recovery.

 

[Chikinballs]

Everything is temporary.

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

I hope he gets better. I've had to take antipsychotics and from my experience, what he's going through is completely normal.

I wish him the best.

 

[Ivan Komarov]

Don't worry about him, he's been worse. Also, stop coddling him by affirming everything he says. This reinforces his whole new "act like a 10 year old" thing, as does privilege points and the other absurd shit gail and rob cooked up. Last thing anybody wants is Jace to mentally revert farther than he already has.

 

[Null]

Don't worry about him, he's been worse. Also, stop coddling him by affirming everything he says. This reinforces his whole new "act like a 10 year old" thing, as does privilege points and the other absurd shit gail and rob cooked up. Last thing anybody wants is Jace to mentally revert farther than he already has.

Are you talking to me or in general?

 

[Ivan Komarov]

In general.

 

[BT 075]

Jace is on his way to become somewhat of a normal, functioning member of society. He has more potential then say Chris does because his relatives aren't lazy, fat and elderly and actually give a damn. His brother's help seems quite effective indeed and his mother, batshit insane as some of her views may be, is quite persistent in enforcing the rules they set out to fix him.

He's an unusual fellow and very dedicated to his obsessions, but given some time I think I agree with Null and see him making some very big steps forward. He's not as young as say, Sammy, but he's not too old to learn at this point.

I never thought he was beyond saving but I am quite amazed at how fast his transformation is taking place. From Commander Stryker, commanding his own personal stoner militia and planning to "take people out", to just a parkour enthusiast, army fanboy and gamer. Which are pretty much perfect innocent hobbies for a guy to have: running around climbing shit, playing vidya and collecting toy guns. Doesn't harm a fly.

 

[Ivan Komarov]

To me, his recent posts do sound more like Jace from 2012-2013. Back then, he wasn't as STRYKER as he was recently, but was still a lolcow. This isn't a full recovery. Just Jace acting like he did about a year ago when he took his meds more.

 

[FlyAwayNow]

Personally I think it's getting worse on the Stryker end and more more tame on the Jace end. There is no middle ground.

 

[waffle]

I still think Jace has schizophrenia and the thing is that schizophrenic people rarely stay on their meds. He'll do good for a while and the something will happen and he'll go off them again or they'll stop working and he'll be right back to being Commander Striker and being convinced that his meds are government mind control or poison from the Isams.

It's just how schizophrenic people are, unless you have someone who's willing to supervise you every day and talk out your delusions with you you'll slip back into it, and even then sometimes the meds just stop working because of changes in body chemistry. I don't think Gail has the chops to do it, she obviously doesn't understand much of anything and will eventually get complacent after Jace has taken his meds religiously for a while. My cousin has schizophrenia and I"ve seen this cycle a thousand times. It's sad but it's the nature of the disease. Jace could be the 1% who stays on his meds and doesn't fuck up his life, but I don't think he has the support system for it.

 

[DeagleDad420]

To me, his recent posts do sound more like Jace from 2012-2013. Back then, he wasn't as STRYKER as he was recently, but was still a lolcow. This isn't a full recovery. Just Jace acting like he did about a year ago when he took his meds more.

Yea this. I don't want to be a downer guys but I recommend you temper your enthusiasm and keep realistic expectations in mind when it comes to Jace. Yes, he may not be dissociative and violently pre-columbine anymore, but remember that's all that has changed about his situation. He's still:

• still IQ below 90
  
• still delusional, still a "retired former veteran"
  
• still a NEET
  
• still narcissistic
• still leeches welfare and spends it on weed
  
• still proclaims he's an expert on shit he knows nothing about
• still trying to be an internet tough guy
• still fantasizes about violently torturing and murdering every single Islamic person he even thinks about (see OPERATION FLYTRAP)
• still thinks stainless steel kitchen knives found in dumpsters are "#USMC SICK THROWING KNIVES"

And more recently, he's got worse in a lot of ways... In the span of the last week we've found out that:

• he's a furry
• he's alienated literally everyone he knows IRL with his recent bouts of insanity and admits to having "no friends"
  
• his mommy is supervising everything he does and rapidly approaching Barb levels of coddling

While it's definitely a change, I really wouldn't jump on the "WOOOOO HE'S A FUNCTIONING ADULT NOW" bandwagon yet.

Remember that he's had these brief moments of lucidity before - they did not last. There was a video called "Second Thoughts" during VLOG-ust in which he questioned his entire lifestyle and came this close to admitting that he knew he would never make it in the USMC SEALS/Green Beret/Spec Ops/whatever it was that week. The very next day after that he's vandalizing public property by carving "SEMPER FIDELIS" into skate ramps and saying he's going to be a war hero, and within a fucking week he checked himself into Mass General hospital because he thought I poisoned him with Ricin.

TL;DR: The ride never ends.

 

[Abby]

• still leeches welfare and spends it on weed

• he's alienated literally everyone he knows IRL with his recent bouts of insanity and admits to having "no friends"

Is he still smoking? I figured with the increased scrutiny from his mother and Robert and the lack of anyone to buy it from that Jace probably wasn't smoking pot anymore.

As for the second point, I dunno if thats necessarily a bad thing. Tyce and the gang were pretty shitty people and definitely not great influences in Jace. It'd be nice if he had some IRL friends to hang with but at least he's not chilling with shit head Tyce anymore. However, I see your point that its definitely not healthy to have no friends IRL and his only social life consists of interacting with trolls and the CWCki folks these days.

 

[Pikonic]

I'm really hoping he doesn't throw a kitchen knife he found in the trash at someone.

But yeah, Jace is still delusional.

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

Don't worry about him, he's been worse. Also, stop coddling him by affirming everything he says. This reinforces his whole new "act like a 10 year old" thing, as does privilege points and the other absurd shit gail and rob cooked up. Last thing anybody wants is Jace to mentally revert farther than he already has.

Yeah, I think initially we did it because we didn't want to scare him off and some of us hoped funny reactions/new content would pop out. Then he just stuck around and became annoying (which is how I imagine he loses his friends irl). I really don't want him shitting up the boards with this whole "I had a bad day so I'm mad at everyone" shit. He can fuck off if he's going to be like that and go back to hating the kiwi. Actual discussion about him has dropped because we know if he read it it'd set him off but at this point it wouldn't be much of a loss. When I made the Games for Jace thread I was thinking he might get his streaming privileges back so it'd be a good way to actually convince him to play some stuff that might be good but obviously we are not anywhere close enough to that shit happening.

 

[DeagleDad420]

Is he still smoking? I figured with the increased scrutiny from his mother and Robert and the lack of anyone to buy it from that Jace probably wasn't smoking pot anymore.

As for the second point, I dunno if thats necessarily a bad thing. Tyce and the gang were pretty shitty people and definitely not great influences in Jace. It'd be nice if he had some IRL friends to hang with but at least he's not chilling with shit head Tyce anymore. However, I see your point that its definitely not healthy to have no friends IRL and his only social life consists of interacting with trolls and the CWCki folks these days.

No idea if he's still smoking weed ATM, good point he's probably not actually due to his mom, but if he's not spending it on weed he's spending it on vidya or something equally ridiculous, assuming his mommy is even letting him spend it at all. Yeah the "Deagle Nation" crew are shitty people and bad influences on him but I just can't foresee him meeting any new friends especially given that he doesn't go to school and doesn't work... he'd have to actually leave his fucking house on a semi-regular basis in order to meet people.

Yeah, I think initially we did it because we didn't want to scare him off and some of us hoped funny reactions/new content would pop out. Then he just stuck around and became annoying (which is how I imagine he loses his friends irl). I really don't want him shitting up the boards with this whole "I had a bad day so I'm mad at everyone" shit. He can fuck off if he's going to be like that and go back to hating the kiwi. Actual discussion about him has dropped because we know if he read it it'd set him off but at this point it wouldn't be much of a loss. When I made the Games for Jace thread I was thinking he might get his streaming privileges back so it'd be a good way to actually convince him to play some stuff that might be good but obviously we are not anywhere close enough to that shit happening.

I still think Games for Jace was/is a good idea even if it isn't applicable in the immediate future until he gets his ~~elite gamer~~ priveleges back. Discussion dropping isn't really his fault, it's just that there was a significant (too long if you ask me) delay between him posting regularly and Grilled Cheese being created. There was a period of about a week where everything just stagnated. I can see your point though, he is really fucking easy to offend... his bubble of delusion and self-importance is so massive and bloated it's very difficult to tiptoe around it without accidentally setting him off.

 

[KatsuKitty]

He's a furry for real then, huh. Well, I hope he's enjoying the links I provided, considering how much gay wolf porn he's likely to trip over and fume at in the fandom.

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

As for his mental state? It's too early to tell. He's in a state where he's actively trying not to chimp out and he says things knowing for the most part he is being monitored. If Gail and Rob were to just go back into the background then I think even when medicated he'd still flip out to an entertaining degree over a stream. He says he's angry at the decisions he's made but we don't know why. He could be actually upset he acted that way or he could just be upset that he sperged enough to have all these changes put upon him. It's the difference between being sorry you did something or being sorry you got caught.

 

[Backwards Harvester]

He's a furry for real then, huh. Well, I hope he's enjoying the links I provided, considering how much gay wolf porn he's likely to trip over and fume at in the fandom.

I can only imagine his reaction to that. But it'd probably be hilarious.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I can only imagine his reaction to that. But it'd probably be hilarious.

Gay wolf porn? Sounds like something Jace would enjoy. Next thing you know he'll be branching off into hentai or even ponies.

 

[StallChaser]

I'm curious what you guys think of Jace's current state.

He is DEFINITELY less spastic, but he still clings to the old tropes. I made the mistake of thinking he was totally lucid when he posted this:



The amount of introspection in this post is fucking phenomenal, but after telling him that people pandering to him with "semper fi commander" were "baby-talking" him, he got mad again saying I was insulting his military history.

I think that the distinction between recognizing his life in a general state of disrepair and accepting how other people are treating them is a ruse is what level of though he's put towards it. Jace is bored often and probably considers his general state of being a lot, which would give him the prefabricated opinion that things are shitty and for the reasons he mentioned. However, when put on the spot about the facetious behavior of certain members, he hasn't had time to come to a rational conclusion and resets back to the behavior his meds are treating.

Over time I see Jace becoming more predictable and less of a lolcow. Rob's plan has effectively worked. I now believe the 3 privilege points he gets a day aren't just a general allowance, they're a reward for consistently taking his anti-psychotic medications. In the short time after his final livestream, we've seen a huge improvement in behavior. He's still emotionally around 15 years old, but he's more mature and self-aware now.

This could be the first full fledged lolcow recovery.

I thought the same exact thing when I saw that post (being self-aware about having gone off his meds and fucking up). He might recover...

But then all the butthurt about getting advice, and the continued delusions about being a wounded veteran, shot that to hell.