Celebrity Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - abusive mom forced him to troon out, tube tits, his vagina keeps falling apart

Tasty Tatty

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It's impossible for Jazz to have sex.

Sorry for the image, but vaginas, or rather the entrance to them, are narrow and closed until they need to open (sex or birth). Jazz's hole is either permanently closed in a fixed diameter or permanently open. Either way, it won't adapt to an hypothetical penis's movement or size and either it won't get in or gets in and breaks it.
 

Someone

Stop gendering genitals!
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It's impossible for Jazz to have sex.

Sorry for the image, but vaginas, or rather the entrance to them, are narrow and closed until they need to open (sex or birth). Jazz's hole is either permanently closed in a fixed diameter or permanently open. Either way, it won't adapt to an hypothetical penis's movement or size and either it won't get in or gets in and breaks it.
She still has an asshole:christine:
 

freemale

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Been lurking/reading this thread for a while, finally signed up. The depth of this shit is heartbreaking, I really don’t think folks realize how many kids have gone through this, are going through this still, who can never turn back from it. This is a minority generation of experimented-on children, that are dying from suicide, complications and violence.

A lot of y’all seem to think there will be this coming wave of memoirs, suicides, documentaries and attention given to this. Sorry in advance if this counts as a power level, but I spent ages 11-17 as FTM and so, so many people have already detransitioned. Desistors are silenced, censored and largely ignored, and unfortunately some of us continue buying into this crap.

The folks who would’ve had the most riveting stories— blockers as children, abuse in support programs, crippling financial obligations going into adulthood — are dead. 41% seems low. Nobody anywhere gave a fuck when my friends died, one by one, like we were on a fucking schedule. Those of us still here often have varying degrees of medical issues. That shit kills people too. There is rampant sexual abuse, often of preteens, in lgbt+ youth & support groups (mostly by AGP counselors) and it was hell. This is in a non-conversion therapy state. The TRA, trans movement, etc are all fine things to call it but nothing is more accurate than trans cult. It’s an endless sea of empty affirmations and narcissistic self-worship.

Proposal to research 'trans regret' rejected by university for fear of backlash, claims psychotherapist
My battle with the transgender thoughtpolice
(Good luck finding any substantial statistics for us, though!)

Jazz is a particularly upsetting example and his notoriety absolutely affected the minds of some parents. My mom watched I am Jazz for ages, it is pure propaganda, inspiration porn. It’s generally way harder to desist as a mtf in general, but as many of you have said, he has nothing to go back to. I truly hope he doesn’t ever resort to suicide or violence though, because there are men fighting really hard to make life worth living after having gone through similar abuses. Forced sterilization is fucking abhorrent but there truly are other ways to life.

There is no wave coming atm, at least not like that. It’s possible one big thing may come out that shifts the climate of this, but it won’t be permanent: it’s simply more interesting to ‘support’ (gawk) at the brave, inspiring individuals living outside the box than to bother with those of us crawling back inside the box of conformity. Speak a wrong word and you’ve got a hashtag against you. This shit makes me so mad, sorry again if powerlevel/blogging!
 

Jack Awful

Laughs at Tards
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Been lurking/reading this thread for a while, finally signed up. The depth of this shit is heartbreaking, I really don’t think folks realize how many kids have gone through this, are going through this still, who can never turn back from it. This is a minority generation of experimented-on children, that are dying from suicide, complications and violence.

A lot of y’all seem to think there will be this coming wave of memoirs, suicides, documentaries and attention given to this. Sorry in advance if this counts as a power level, but I spent ages 11-17 as FTM and so, so many people have already detransitioned. Desistors are silenced, censored and largely ignored, and unfortunately some of us continue buying into this crap.

The folks who would’ve had the most riveting stories— blockers as children, abuse in support programs, crippling financial obligations going into adulthood — are dead. 41% seems low. Nobody anywhere gave a fuck when my friends died, one by one, like we were on a fucking schedule. Those of us still here often have varying degrees of medical issues. That shit kills people too. There is rampant sexual abuse, often of preteens, in lgbt+ youth & support groups (mostly by AGP counselors) and it was hell. This is in a non-conversion therapy state. The TRA, trans movement, etc are all fine things to call it but nothing is more accurate than trans cult. It’s an endless sea of empty affirmations and narcissistic self-worship.

Proposal to research 'trans regret' rejected by university for fear of backlash, claims psychotherapist
My battle with the transgender thoughtpolice
(Good luck finding any substantial statistics for us, though!)

Jazz is a particularly upsetting example and his notoriety absolutely affected the minds of some parents. My mom watched I am Jazz for ages, it is pure propaganda, inspiration porn. It’s generally way harder to desist as a mtf in general, but as many of you have said, he has nothing to go back to. I truly hope he doesn’t ever resort to suicide or violence though, because there are men fighting really hard to make life worth living after having gone through similar abuses. Forced sterilization is fucking abhorrent but there truly are other ways to life.

There is no wave coming atm, at least not like that. It’s possible one big thing may come out that shifts the climate of this, but it won’t be permanent: it’s simply more interesting to ‘support’ (gawk) at the brave, inspiring individuals living outside the box than to bother with those of us crawling back inside the box of conformity. Speak a wrong word and you’ve got a hashtag against you. This shit makes me so mad, sorry again if powerlevel/blogging!
That's incredibly fucked up and I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
 

mister butafuco

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The folks who would’ve had the most riveting stories— blockers as children, abuse in support programs, crippling financial obligations going into adulthood — are dead. 41% seems low. Nobody anywhere gave a fuck when my friends died, one by one, like we were on a fucking schedule. Those of us still here often have varying degrees of medical issues. That shit kills people too. There is rampant sexual abuse, often of preteens, in lgbt+ youth & support groups (mostly by AGP counselors) and it was hell. This is in a non-conversion therapy state. The TRA, trans movement, etc are all fine things to call it but nothing is more accurate than trans cult. It’s an endless sea of empty affirmations and narcissistic self-worship.

Proposal to research 'trans regret' rejected by university for fear of backlash, claims psychotherapist
My battle with the transgender thoughtpolice
(Good luck finding any substantial statistics for us, though!)

Jazz is a particularly upsetting example and his notoriety absolutely affected the minds of some parents. My mom watched I am Jazz for ages, it is pure propaganda, inspiration porn. It’s generally way harder to desist as a mtf in general, but as many of you have said, he has nothing to go back to. I truly hope he doesn’t ever resort to suicide or violence though, because there are men fighting really hard to make life worth living after having gone through similar abuses. Forced sterilization is fucking abhorrent but there truly are other ways to life.

There is no wave coming atm, at least not like that. It’s possible one big thing may come out that shifts the climate of this, but it won’t be permanent: it’s simply more interesting to ‘support’ (gawk) at the brave, inspiring individuals living outside the box than to bother with those of us crawling back inside the box of conformity. Speak a wrong word and you’ve got a hashtag against you. This shit makes me so mad, sorry again if powerlevel/blogging!

Welcome to KiwiFarms Freemale. I am horrified at what you have been through, but I am not surprised, I have watched Youtube videos of FTMs who then detransitioned and their stories are terrible, with adult MTFs forming 'queer' relationships with much younger females...

I am interested in what you mean by living in a 'non-conversion therapy state'. I know what conversion therapy is with regards to homosexuals, but what is it when dealing with trans people?
 

White Devil

Zyklon Ree
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Been lurking/reading this thread for a while, finally signed up. The depth of this shit is heartbreaking, I really don’t think folks realize how many kids have gone through this, are going through this still, who can never turn back from it. This is a minority generation of experimented-on children, that are dying from suicide, complications and violence.

A lot of y’all seem to think there will be this coming wave of memoirs, suicides, documentaries and attention given to this. Sorry in advance if this counts as a power level, but I spent ages 11-17 as FTM and so, so many people have already detransitioned. Desistors are silenced, censored and largely ignored, and unfortunately some of us continue buying into this crap.

The folks who would’ve had the most riveting stories— blockers as children, abuse in support programs, crippling financial obligations going into adulthood — are dead. 41% seems low. Nobody anywhere gave a fuck when my friends died, one by one, like we were on a fucking schedule. Those of us still here often have varying degrees of medical issues. That shit kills people too. There is rampant sexual abuse, often of preteens, in lgbt+ youth & support groups (mostly by AGP counselors) and it was hell. This is in a non-conversion therapy state. The TRA, trans movement, etc are all fine things to call it but nothing is more accurate than trans cult. It’s an endless sea of empty affirmations and narcissistic self-worship.

Proposal to research 'trans regret' rejected by university for fear of backlash, claims psychotherapist
My battle with the transgender thoughtpolice
(Good luck finding any substantial statistics for us, though!)

Jazz is a particularly upsetting example and his notoriety absolutely affected the minds of some parents. My mom watched I am Jazz for ages, it is pure propaganda, inspiration porn. It’s generally way harder to desist as a mtf in general, but as many of you have said, he has nothing to go back to. I truly hope he doesn’t ever resort to suicide or violence though, because there are men fighting really hard to make life worth living after having gone through similar abuses. Forced sterilization is fucking abhorrent but there truly are other ways to life.

There is no wave coming atm, at least not like that. It’s possible one big thing may come out that shifts the climate of this, but it won’t be permanent: it’s simply more interesting to ‘support’ (gawk) at the brave, inspiring individuals living outside the box than to bother with those of us crawling back inside the box of conformity. Speak a wrong word and you’ve got a hashtag against you. This shit makes me so mad, sorry again if powerlevel/blogging!

While I generally find the body mutilation cult disgusting and inhuman, as well as inhumane, I don't usually go out of my way to humanize these people to myself because I've always been of the opinion that they do it solely for attention or some kind of fucked up fetish.

I'm sorry you have gone through all that, I can only imagine the physical as well as mental toll it takes on someone.
 

EvaBraunsGhost

I was like - whuuuuut???
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Been lurking/reading this thread for a while, finally signed up. The depth of this shit is heartbreaking, I really don’t think folks realize how many kids have gone through this, are going through this still, who can never turn back from it. This is a minority generation of experimented-on children, that are dying from suicide, complications and violence.

A lot of y’all seem to think there will be this coming wave of memoirs, suicides, documentaries and attention given to this. Sorry in advance if this counts as a power level, but I spent ages 11-17 as FTM and so, so many people have already detransitioned. Desistors are silenced, censored and largely ignored, and unfortunately some of us continue buying into this crap.

The folks who would’ve had the most riveting stories— blockers as children, abuse in support programs, crippling financial obligations going into adulthood — are dead. 41% seems low. Nobody anywhere gave a fuck when my friends died, one by one, like we were on a fucking schedule. Those of us still here often have varying degrees of medical issues. That shit kills people too. There is rampant sexual abuse, often of preteens, in lgbt+ youth & support groups (mostly by AGP counselors) and it was hell. This is in a non-conversion therapy state. The TRA, trans movement, etc are all fine things to call it but nothing is more accurate than trans cult. It’s an endless sea of empty affirmations and narcissistic self-worship.

Proposal to research 'trans regret' rejected by university for fear of backlash, claims psychotherapist
My battle with the transgender thoughtpolice
(Good luck finding any substantial statistics for us, though!)

Jazz is a particularly upsetting example and his notoriety absolutely affected the minds of some parents. My mom watched I am Jazz for ages, it is pure propaganda, inspiration porn. It’s generally way harder to desist as a mtf in general, but as many of you have said, he has nothing to go back to. I truly hope he doesn’t ever resort to suicide or violence though, because there are men fighting really hard to make life worth living after having gone through similar abuses. Forced sterilization is fucking abhorrent but there truly are other ways to life.

There is no wave coming atm, at least not like that. It’s possible one big thing may come out that shifts the climate of this, but it won’t be permanent: it’s simply more interesting to ‘support’ (gawk) at the brave, inspiring individuals living outside the box than to bother with those of us crawling back inside the box of conformity. Speak a wrong word and you’ve got a hashtag against you. This shit makes me so mad, sorry again if powerlevel/blogging!
@freemale my heart goes out to you truly, and condolences on the loss of your friends 💔

This shit is nasty, it is insidious, and I am absolutely certain that history will judge this insanity as harshly as it deserves - I just hope I live to see it

It's interesting, although in no way surprising to me that you believe the 41% figure to be low despite the TRA gatekeepers trying to insist it's inflated

I see creepy older dudes grooming vulnerable young guys into this cult (and it is a cult, without question) and it repulses me

Welcome to the Farms! Voices like yours are needed more than you know :heart-full:
 

soulless guarantee

melanated blaq latinx trans* womxn
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She still has an asshole:christine:

Sometimes the stink-ditch surgery does enough damage that not even anal sex is possible as it is just too painful compared to pre-surgery anal. I think sharkboy said this had happened to him. He ended up with a gross gash on his front, so couldn't be fucked in it, and then couldn't go back to doing anal because of the new pain. Sorry I don't have a link to hand for that, but it popped up in the Tranny Social Media Sideshows thread a while back when he went on another suicide-baiting session.
 

NerdShamer

International Glownigger Commander
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Been lurking/reading this thread for a while, finally signed up. The depth of this shit is heartbreaking, I really don’t think folks realize how many kids have gone through this, are going through this still, who can never turn back from it. This is a minority generation of experimented-on children, that are dying from suicide, complications and violence.

A lot of y’all seem to think there will be this coming wave of memoirs, suicides, documentaries and attention given to this. Sorry in advance if this counts as a power level, but I spent ages 11-17 as FTM and so, so many people have already detransitioned. Desistors are silenced, censored and largely ignored, and unfortunately some of us continue buying into this crap.

The folks who would’ve had the most riveting stories— blockers as children, abuse in support programs, crippling financial obligations going into adulthood — are dead. 41% seems low. Nobody anywhere gave a fuck when my friends died, one by one, like we were on a fucking schedule. Those of us still here often have varying degrees of medical issues. That shit kills people too. There is rampant sexual abuse, often of preteens, in lgbt+ youth & support groups (mostly by AGP counselors) and it was hell. This is in a non-conversion therapy state. The TRA, trans movement, etc are all fine things to call it but nothing is more accurate than trans cult. It’s an endless sea of empty affirmations and narcissistic self-worship.

Proposal to research 'trans regret' rejected by university for fear of backlash, claims psychotherapist
My battle with the transgender thoughtpolice
(Good luck finding any substantial statistics for us, though!)

Jazz is a particularly upsetting example and his notoriety absolutely affected the minds of some parents. My mom watched I am Jazz for ages, it is pure propaganda, inspiration porn. It’s generally way harder to desist as a mtf in general, but as many of you have said, he has nothing to go back to. I truly hope he doesn’t ever resort to suicide or violence though, because there are men fighting really hard to make life worth living after having gone through similar abuses. Forced sterilization is fucking abhorrent but there truly are other ways to life.

There is no wave coming atm, at least not like that. It’s possible one big thing may come out that shifts the climate of this, but it won’t be permanent: it’s simply more interesting to ‘support’ (gawk) at the brave, inspiring individuals living outside the box than to bother with those of us crawling back inside the box of conformity. Speak a wrong word and you’ve got a hashtag against you. This shit makes me so mad, sorry again if powerlevel/blogging!
Honestly, you should start an YouTube channel or start writing some books, in addition to posting your tragedies, here. For one, you'll reach a larger audience.
 

Stupid Sexy Flanders

Feels like I'm wearing... nothing at all...
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Been lurking/reading this thread for a while, finally signed up. The depth of this shit is heartbreaking, I really don’t think folks realize how many kids have gone through this, are going through this still, who can never turn back from it. This is a minority generation of experimented-on children, that are dying from suicide, complications and violence.

A lot of y’all seem to think there will be this coming wave of memoirs, suicides, documentaries and attention given to this. Sorry in advance if this counts as a power level, but I spent ages 11-17 as FTM and so, so many people have already detransitioned. Desistors are silenced, censored and largely ignored, and unfortunately some of us continue buying into this crap.

The folks who would’ve had the most riveting stories— blockers as children, abuse in support programs, crippling financial obligations going into adulthood — are dead. 41% seems low. Nobody anywhere gave a fuck when my friends died, one by one, like we were on a fucking schedule. Those of us still here often have varying degrees of medical issues. That shit kills people too. There is rampant sexual abuse, often of preteens, in lgbt+ youth & support groups (mostly by AGP counselors) and it was hell. This is in a non-conversion therapy state. The TRA, trans movement, etc are all fine things to call it but nothing is more accurate than trans cult. It’s an endless sea of empty affirmations and narcissistic self-worship.

Proposal to research 'trans regret' rejected by university for fear of backlash, claims psychotherapist
My battle with the transgender thoughtpolice
(Good luck finding any substantial statistics for us, though!)

Jazz is a particularly upsetting example and his notoriety absolutely affected the minds of some parents. My mom watched I am Jazz for ages, it is pure propaganda, inspiration porn. It’s generally way harder to desist as a mtf in general, but as many of you have said, he has nothing to go back to. I truly hope he doesn’t ever resort to suicide or violence though, because there are men fighting really hard to make life worth living after having gone through similar abuses. Forced sterilization is fucking abhorrent but there truly are other ways to life.

There is no wave coming atm, at least not like that. It’s possible one big thing may come out that shifts the climate of this, but it won’t be permanent: it’s simply more interesting to ‘support’ (gawk) at the brave, inspiring individuals living outside the box than to bother with those of us crawling back inside the box of conformity. Speak a wrong word and you’ve got a hashtag against you. This shit makes me so mad, sorry again if powerlevel/blogging!

I hope that if you do dare to speak out publically, you are strong enough and have a good support system. Do know that you're going to be attacked endlessly if you do.

But hey, also remember that you can always re-join us on the marginals if you do speak up - I think most of Kiwi is here. 🤷
 

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Been lurking/reading this thread for a while, finally signed up. The depth of this shit is heartbreaking, I really don’t think folks realize how many kids have gone through this, are going through this still, who can never turn back from it. This is a minority generation of experimented-on children, that are dying from suicide, complications and violence.

A lot of y’all seem to think there will be this coming wave of memoirs, suicides, documentaries and attention given to this. Sorry in advance if this counts as a power level, but I spent ages 11-17 as FTM and so, so many people have already detransitioned. Desistors are silenced, censored and largely ignored, and unfortunately some of us continue buying into this crap.

The folks who would’ve had the most riveting stories— blockers as children, abuse in support programs, crippling financial obligations going into adulthood — are dead. 41% seems low. Nobody anywhere gave a fuck when my friends died, one by one, like we were on a fucking schedule. Those of us still here often have varying degrees of medical issues. That shit kills people too. There is rampant sexual abuse, often of preteens, in lgbt+ youth & support groups (mostly by AGP counselors) and it was hell. This is in a non-conversion therapy state. The TRA, trans movement, etc are all fine things to call it but nothing is more accurate than trans cult. It’s an endless sea of empty affirmations and narcissistic self-worship.

Proposal to research 'trans regret' rejected by university for fear of backlash, claims psychotherapist
My battle with the transgender thoughtpolice
(Good luck finding any substantial statistics for us, though!)

Jazz is a particularly upsetting example and his notoriety absolutely affected the minds of some parents. My mom watched I am Jazz for ages, it is pure propaganda, inspiration porn. It’s generally way harder to desist as a mtf in general, but as many of you have said, he has nothing to go back to. I truly hope he doesn’t ever resort to suicide or violence though, because there are men fighting really hard to make life worth living after having gone through similar abuses. Forced sterilization is fucking abhorrent but there truly are other ways to life.

There is no wave coming atm, at least not like that. It’s possible one big thing may come out that shifts the climate of this, but it won’t be permanent: it’s simply more interesting to ‘support’ (gawk) at the brave, inspiring individuals living outside the box than to bother with those of us crawling back inside the box of conformity. Speak a wrong word and you’ve got a hashtag against you. This shit makes me so mad, sorry again if powerlevel/blogging!
If you're looking to help get this trans cult truth spread out more, I may be able to help in that area to help lighten the backlash load. (PL) Otherwise, I do plan on researching "trans regret" despite the fears of backlash and such. I really don't care since I'll fight tooth and nail just to make it heard among other things.
 

Ethical Nightmare

Now with Zyklon B 9000
True & Honest Fan
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IIRC most trannies get fucked in the butt because people don't want to put their genitals in MtF's rot pockets and obviously FtM penises don't work or really feel much.
That and remember that most surgeries are botched. I've seen a lot of MtFs complain they have no sensation in their fake vagina, or the hole is too tight to fit a dick through, so they have to resort to anal only.

Been lurking/reading this thread for a while, finally signed up. The depth of this shit is heartbreaking, I really don’t think folks realize how many kids have gone through this, are going through this still, who can never turn back from it. This is a minority generation of experimented-on children, that are dying from suicide, complications and violence.

A lot of y’all seem to think there will be this coming wave of memoirs, suicides, documentaries and attention given to this. Sorry in advance if this counts as a power level, but I spent ages 11-17 as FTM and so, so many people have already detransitioned. Desistors are silenced, censored and largely ignored, and unfortunately some of us continue buying into this crap.

The folks who would’ve had the most riveting stories— blockers as children, abuse in support programs, crippling financial obligations going into adulthood — are dead. 41% seems low. Nobody anywhere gave a fuck when my friends died, one by one, like we were on a fucking schedule. Those of us still here often have varying degrees of medical issues. That shit kills people too. There is rampant sexual abuse, often of preteens, in lgbt+ youth & support groups (mostly by AGP counselors) and it was hell. This is in a non-conversion therapy state. The TRA, trans movement, etc are all fine things to call it but nothing is more accurate than trans cult. It’s an endless sea of empty affirmations and narcissistic self-worship.

Proposal to research 'trans regret' rejected by university for fear of backlash, claims psychotherapist
My battle with the transgender thoughtpolice
(Good luck finding any substantial statistics for us, though!)

Jazz is a particularly upsetting example and his notoriety absolutely affected the minds of some parents. My mom watched I am Jazz for ages, it is pure propaganda, inspiration porn. It’s generally way harder to desist as a mtf in general, but as many of you have said, he has nothing to go back to. I truly hope he doesn’t ever resort to suicide or violence though, because there are men fighting really hard to make life worth living after having gone through similar abuses. Forced sterilization is fucking abhorrent but there truly are other ways to life.

There is no wave coming atm, at least not like that. It’s possible one big thing may come out that shifts the climate of this, but it won’t be permanent: it’s simply more interesting to ‘support’ (gawk) at the brave, inspiring individuals living outside the box than to bother with those of us crawling back inside the box of conformity. Speak a wrong word and you’ve got a hashtag against you. This shit makes me so mad, sorry again if powerlevel/blogging!
I'm sorry that happened to you, and glad that you were able to desist. Also, glad that you're here and welcome to the farms. I watch videos of detransitioners talking about their story, and it breaks my heart. Instead of receiving therapy for their problems, they instead immediately get diagnosed trans and then given hormones and are pushed into getting surgeries as soon as possible, without anyone explaining exactly what the hormones do or the fact these surgeries are going to mutilate their body, and there is no way to go back after they have it done. TRAs are pushing for medical experimentation on children and it's horrifying.

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but with so many young kids/adults detransitioning now, I feel that soon there's going to be too many of you for the world to keep ignoring. But I hope despite society ignoring or silencing you, you all keep telling your stories and keep speaking out. This trans hysteria is going to reach it's peak, maybe not as soon as we all want, but it will get there, and once it does, you and others will finally be heard. And we will need you, because society is going to have a hell of a time helping those who were pushed into this trans craze, and now are a loss of what to do with the irreversible effects of hormones and surgeries, and you guys will be the best ones to help them through it.

This is just a waiting game now. We can only watch, document, and wait, listen to those who are speaking out against it and give our support however we can. And it sucks too, because of all the kids who's lives and bodies are getting fucked up for a cult fantasy of changing humans into the opposite sex.
 
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Hongourable Madisha

You see, some of us don't know English properly.
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I wonder if resources for cult survivors could help? Steven Hassan was in the Moonies for years and is now an expert on it; he developed the BITE model that describes techniques used by destructive cults, and the trans shit ticks off about 2/3 of the markers, which is ridiculously high. What was done to you absolutely meets the definition of cult control tactics, and there has been a lot of work done on those, even if the trans angle is more recent.
Depending on where you are, the Pique Resilience Project, and the Detransition Advocacy Network may be able to help. There's a few detrans YouTubers like Cari Stella and Crashchaoscats too. Take care of yourself, and welcome to the Farms.
 

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I wonder if resources for cult survivors could help? Steven Hassan was in the Moonies for years and is now an expert on it; he developed the BITE model that describes techniques used by destructive cults, and the trans shit ticks off about 2/3 of the markers, which is ridiculously high. What was done to you absolutely meets the definition of cult control tactics, and there has been a lot of work done on those, even if the trans angle is more recent.
Depending on where you are, the Pique Resilience Project, and the Detransition Advocacy Network may be able to help. There's a few detrans YouTubers like Cari Stella and Crashchaoscats too. Take care of yourself, and welcome to the Farms.

I dug around the sites and found an interesting link of about the relations of kids transitioning and social media.

Just an interesing snippet here too

Parents identified the sources they thought were most influential for their child becoming gender dysphoric. The most frequently answered influences were: YouTube transition videos (63.6%); Tumblr (61.7%); a group of friends they know in person (44.5%); a community/group of people that they met online (42.9%); a person they know in-person (not online) 41.7%.



Edit to avoid double posting; I had a thoughtful itch about the queer theory after reading how much the TQIA++ screams for victimhood. And how these trans children are focusing on their gender and 'sexuality'. If anything it's really eye candy for pedos, but I'm trying to find some sources of it trying to introduce MAPS (Minor Attracted People) as the same victimhood of TQIA++ attached to LGB. I found one which helped me organize my thoughts a bit more, but really I'm not surprised that it's being kept from being in the spotlight for now since they'll deny up and down that the trans movement isn't related to pedophiles and predators.
(Triple edit; Found a link about queer theory and pedophilia)


So, then why is there such a LARGE focus on conversations about how they feel about growing children's bodies and genitals if it's not for pedophiles? :thinking:

I do understand that bodily dysphoria can happen for a variety of reasons, but that wasn't much of a thing a few years back. Talking about the growth of the human body was something to be understood and taught.

Quad edit (I'm done); I found something extremely interesting that suits what I'm saying.

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Parents expressed doubts about the clinicians regarding their experience, competence or professionalism. One parent said, “The clinic told me they explored these issues. I asked the risk manager at [redacted] if they'd considered a personality disorder. ‘Oh, no,’ she laughed. ‘That's only with the older patients, not the teenagers.’ I'm deeply suspicious of their competence.” Another parent described, “What does concern me is that the people she talked to seemed to have no sense of professional duties, but only a mission to promote a specific social ideology.”
 
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Rabidcolombian

Americas Asshole
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This trans hysteria is going to reach it's peak, maybe not as soon as we all want, but it will get there, and once it does, you and others will finally be heard. And we will need you, because society is going to have a hell of a time helping those who were pushed into this trans craze, and now are a loss of what to do with the irreversible effects of hormones and surgeries, and you guys will be the best ones to help them through it.

When acknowledgement of this is FINALLY acceptable in society, wait for the fucking normies ten years later to say, "Yeah, I always knew men couldn't be women and women couldn't be men...it was always damaging to lie to them and they needed therapy, not surgery!"

I don't believe for ONE second that the average person believes this bullshit - not just the trans kids aspect, but the whole transgender theory on the whole. They KNOW men will never be women and women will never be men. But they will NEVER speak out against it due to the fear of being called transphobic. They'll lie to even themselves and say, "Oh yeah, it's totally possible for a man to become a woman! It's possible for a woman to become a man! What's wrong with the lifestyle they want to live if it's not hurting anyone? If Mark requests to be called a she, I will do it because I respect him/her/z!"

FUCK YOU. You do NOT respect them. You're too much of a coward to love them enough to tell them the TRUTH. And they ALL know the truth in the pit of their hearts, but they lack the bravery to say it.

When someone says they need to cut off their legs because they feel like it shouldn't walk, you would never lie to them in order to affirm their worldview. You would say, "You are wrong, don't cut off your legs - YOU NEED HELP."

Normies lacking courage is the most dangerous thing to this. If they don't have the balls to speak out loudly against this shit, then of course nothing will get better. Until the suicide rate of transgender people raises to 85%, they don't want to risk having that controversial opinion. I only believe this because people I know who would've NEVER accepted that bullshit ten years ago NOW believe it. It boggles the mind.

Lying to someone does not help them. TRUTH helps them and we all know the truth so why are we going out of our ways to lie about something this basic? That's not love toward them, that's lack of love.
 

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I am interested in what you mean by living in a 'non-conversion therapy state'. I know what conversion therapy is with regards to homosexuals, but what is it when dealing with trans people?
It was mentioned a while back in this thread-- basically in practice, it means counselors/psychiatrists are encouraged not to push too hard, or from too many angles. There are still some who will but very, very gently. Must be incredibly frustrating when you can see the same patterns happening over and over.

It's interesting, although in no way surprising to me that you believe the 41% figure to be low despite the TRA gatekeepers trying to insist it's inflated
It's probably higher than 41% specifically for desistors, but it's certainly not lower for TRAs. There's a lot of things you lose when you're a trans kid, to realize it might've all been for nothing is horrible.

I dug around the sites and found an interesting link of about the relations of kids transitioning and social media.
Just an interesing snippet here too

Parents identified the sources they thought were most influential for their child becoming gender dysphoric. The most frequently answered influences were: YouTube transition videos (63.6%); Tumblr (61.7%); a group of friends they know in person (44.5%); a community/group of people that they met online (42.9%); a person they know in-person (not online) 41.7%.



Edit to avoid double posting; I had a thoughtful itch about the queer theory after reading how much the TQIA++ screams for victimhood. And how these trans children are focusing on their gender and 'sexuality'. If anything it's really eye candy for pedos, but I'm trying to find some sources of it trying to introduce MAPS (Minor Attracted People) as the same victimhood of TQIA++ attached to LGB. I found one which helped me organize my thoughts a bit more, but really I'm not surprised that it's being kept from being in the spotlight for now since they'll deny up and down that the trans movement isn't related to pedophiles and predators.
(Triple edit; Found a link about queer theory and pedophilia)
So, then why is there such a LARGE focus on conversations about how they feel about growing children's bodies and genitals if it's not for pedophiles?
I do understand that bodily dysphoria can happen for a variety of reasons, but that wasn't much of a thing a few years back. Talking about the growth of the human body was something to be understood and taught.
These links are beyond awesome, thank you! I had no idea how blatant the pedo shit was. Pharmaceutical companies making bank off hormone injections are definitely part of the equation, but queer theory is holy text type shit. Gonna take me forever to think this through.

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Seriously feel ill reading that, I've heard parts of it verbatim. This entire study should be required reading for parents of kids in these situations. None of these statistics surprise me at all:
  • Additionally, per parent report, almost half of the AYAs withdrew from family, 28.5% refused to speak to a parent, and 6.8% tried to run away.
    • 84.2% of the parent respondents were reasonably sure or positive that their child had misrepresented or omitted parts of their history.
  • The declines were substantial as 43.3% of these AYAs had been identified as academically gifted students...before they began to fail their classes, drop out of high school or college, and became unable to hold a job.
    • (they damn kids in so many ways. Ever notice the 'lol queers are so bad at math/science!!' or the fucking constant illiteracy/dumbass/himbo jokes? It's almost like unchecked depression/mental health is horrible for the brain...)
  • 71.6% reported that the clinician did not explore issues of mental health, previous trauma, or any alternative causes of gender dysphoria before proceeding and 70.0% report that the clinician did not request any medical records before proceeding.
    • 23.8% of the parents who knew the content of their child’s visit reported that the child was offered prescriptions for puberty blockers and/or cross-sex hormones at the first visit. (:_(
    • (seen this with adults, but usually it was at least a few visits for actual children...)
  • Although small numbers of AYAs had improvement in mental well-being (12.6%), parent-child relationship (7.4%), grades/academic performance (6.4%), and had broadened their interests and hobbies (5.1%); the most common outcomes were worsened mental well-being (47.2%); worsened parent child relationship (57.3%); unchanged or mixed grades/academic performance (59.1%); and a narrowed range of interests and hobbies (58.1%).
    • (Definitely seems like it's worth it to transition children! Who wouldn't with odds like those? /s)

Really interested in the peer contagion in eating disorder clinics they mentioned. It's a great comparison, and many trans people also have eating disorders. Lots of little girls with insecurities or body dysmorphia are dx'd with gender dysphoria, and a fair amount of those kids later developed an ED-- this was what happened to me. Feeling like you're fat in a skinny body is not treated by becoming fat, but if you feel like you want your bits axed... more power to you, apparently.

"The phenomenon of natal females expressing a post-puberty rapid onset of gender dysphoria" stood out too. The transition from a sexless childhood to being a sexualized young woman can be terrible, especially if you're unattractive or fat. Tends to be straight/bi girls rather than misunderstood lesbians doing this.

I really appreciate the support. Desisting does suck, but it's by far the better option. A lot of folks who come out the other side are wiser, resilient people. There's still a conversation (things are way more critical in the UK) but overall, Rabidcolombian is spot on: if people do disagree with it, they're too scared to say so. A lot of them think that consuming an opposing piece of evidence is controversial all by itself. I'm not in the best position to speak up but going to forward some of these links to people who are already starting to!

Forgot to mention in my last post: It's extremely common for trans people to have a late/absent/deadbeat same-sex parent. Jeanette is awful, she's the reason things played out the way they did, but I can't help but wonder if Jazz just wanted to be more like the parent (maybe even sibling) that actually paid attention to him. It's hard to get a good read on the dad tho.
 

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These links are beyond awesome, thank you! I had no idea how blatant the pedo shit was. Pharmaceutical companies making bank off hormone injections are definitely part of the equation, but queer theory is holy text type shit. Gonna take me forever to think this through.
Not a problem! The pedo shit is something I've been extremely wary of since the beginning of my "gender" ride. A lot of people will quickly dismiss, or rather ignore the pedo shit for their own fantasies or reasons. It set me off a bit weird when MAP started happening a bit before/around Big Mouth and then Cuties to follow next. I sound conspiracy theory-ish, but I just know that when ripples are made they're bound to collide.

Just because there are people in medical practice, doesn't mean they're good people by default.

There's a lot to look at haha, I really hate it but I have to accept it.
For got to mention in my last post: It's extremely common for trans people to have a late/absent/deadbeat same-sex parent. Jeanette is awful, she's the reason things played out the way they did, but I can't help but wonder if Jazz just wanted to be more like the parent (maybe even sibling) that actually paid attention to him. It's hard to get a good read on the dad tho.
I almost trooned out, and it was because I have largely had horrible parent and caretakers of the same sex. I've seen it entirely most often in people around me. Parental Issues are most likely to lead to troondom.

Understanding it from Jazz's perspective based on his environment, and situations. It was most likely that the dad was largely inactive, it's easy to tell because you can't get a good read on him. (Not the biggest defining factor.) He's complacent and distant, he's cucked and he knows it. If he gets divorced he won't get custody because of Jeannette. She's pure narc, if he leaves her she would absolutely make his life a living hell, and I'm fairly sure he already knows that well enough.

Jazz most likely did want his fathers attention and to be like him, but because of his distance and maybe from Jeannette's narc parenting ("You're my child" "I love you best") Kids will go to the source of love and attention. Who do you think was giving them that and encouraging (desired) behaviours? Sure wasn't dad.
 

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I must disagree with @Rabidcolombian .

First of all, it's hard (if not impossible) to say what percent of the population thinks what. Obviously there are some people on the right who are not ever going to accept any kind of trans theory because their religion/morality won't allow it. And obviously there are some people on the left who believe in transubstantiation: that these are True and Honest Women.

But among the remainder, I don't think there are widespread doubts because I don't think a lot of people are educated about the issue. There is an encouragement on the part of TRAs to go along to get along, and "educate yourself" invariably means "read pro-TRA shit and ignore the haters."

I think a lot of this has to do with the conflation between gay rights and trans rights. Like a lot of the same people who are radically opposed to trans rights also think fags need to repent. And on the far left, there's so much opprobrium against "conversion therapy" that "pray the gay away" and "maybe you should do some self-work before you decide to cut your dick off" are the same thing.

Like I'm 100% in favor of people presenting however they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone, and I get the sense that that's a popular attitude. But kids can't be trusted not to hurt themselves, and that's why they don't have the same rights as adults. And I feel like there's organized suppression of discussion in popular media and elsewhere (cough, Reddit, cough) about the horror that these kids go through, and the lack of informed consent about physical side effects and complications. For adults, I can sit here and think they made a bad choice, but getting a Raiders tat is also a bad choice, so blocking the ability of adults to make bad choices is a more contentious area for me.

Like one of the things about Jazz that really gets me is that his siblings project an image of health and well-being. They might not have perfect features, but they look well-fed, clear-eyed, active, and reasonably happy, and that's attractive.

Jazz, on the other hand, looks like he comes from a different, less affluent family. I live in an impoverished area of the US and people here tend to be larger than they are in affluent areas, and it's often larger in a really flabby, toneless way. There's no energy or sparkle; people look dull. (Funny powerlevel: I was in the hospital yesterday and the ER doc said I looked healthy. I'm on the larger side, but I got what she meant. She also said she didn't want to give me estrogen because it makes people nauseous.)

There are many horrors enumerated in this thread and elsewhere about the stink ditch, the lack of sex drive, and so forth, and far be it for me to fat-shame anyone, but Jazz looks like someone you'd want to start screening for the 'beetus at age 30, and start screening for heart problems at age 40. Plus the bone and joint problems caused by Lupron and whatever cancer stew all the hormones cause. It's obvious that he eats his feelings, but a normal boy that age should be able to pack away a thousand or more extra calories a day and burn it off through activity and metabolism. I wouldn't say that he lacks sparkle, but check back with me after a few years of chronic pain. Odds of him getting a disability tugboat are really high.

I get that body dysmorphia, the "wrong puberty", and so forth are upsetting for these kids, but it seems like it would be easier to contend with the occasional moment of dissonance than it would be to go through life with hormone issues, a badly healing surgical site, no sex drive, strange scars, probable bulimia, anxiety, depression, and a body that looks like it might not make it to age 50, PLUS body dysmorphia.

But back to my original point, thinking critically about any of this is not encouraged, so we're supposed to think of Jazz as a True and Honest Woman who has a few health issues, instead of a man who was experimented on in a way Hitler would smile upon.
 

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But back to my original point, thinking critically about any of this is not encouraged, so we're supposed to think of Jazz as a True and Honest Woman who has a few health issues, instead of a man who was experimented on in a way Hitler would smile upon.

It might not be encouraged, but the majority of normal people don't agree with what happened to him.

And, every day, more people are shunning corporations for encouraging dangerous behaviors (e.g. Netflix).
 
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