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Can't say how they decide who shoots and who spots; but each member of a team goes through Sniper School and is capable of doing either job. That aside, Kyle was also a SEAL, and even outside of special forces, shit changes as needed. Snipers don't always operate as a sniper team, they can go on patrol with a regular platoon/squad/fireteam; then if tasked to provide overwatch, then they can be alone in their perch/hideyhole. Then whoever they bait and shoot only has one witness. It's way too complicated to even theorize how every kill went down; because the first rule about SOPs in a warzone is the plan always fails, and your backup plan fails, and your second backup plan fails.
Still more than anything that @GlueStick did in the Air Force.
 

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I genuinely think this is one of the funnier threads on this site. Reading the OP gets funnier and funnier the further down you go. When I finally got to Null actually deciding to call him and then just laughing at him directly on the phone I was tearing up.

This guy gave me flashbacks to being a kid and coming across a kid who lies about a bunch of shit for no reason. If you just kept your mouth shut no one would have noticed but your own bullshit is your own undoing. Hoisted by his own baton. This would be sad if it wasn't so goddamn funny. I'm almost in awe that someone can go around in the world thinking people are going to believe this bullshit.

They also sold poppers as "record cleaner" in gay porn shops. It's pretty common to sell shit used as drugs as some other mislabeled thing that would be legal. Or as paraphernalia, like those crack pipes sold as "roses."
Hey, poppers are/were sold as VHS head cleaner and they can actually be used for that.

And crack pipes are called roses because they are actually sold with a cheap plastic rose in the glass tube, but a "rose" became a catch-all slang term for a pipe.

The two things you cite are not necessarily examples of mislabeling imo.

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I have a soft spot for out of shape guys with beer bellies who claim they're black belts.


Is there any video of Jeff besides his most dangerous man alive video? I would love to watch his belly jiggle as he attempts to break some particle board with his black belt hapkido attacks.
 
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He said he was deployed to Nawlins after Katrina and shot looters, claiming he killed dozens of American citizens. He didn't. He said he shot 2 dudes to death at a gas station and the cops showed up so he gave the deputy sheriff his card and says "call the pentagon" and drove off.
I don't know anything about Chris Kyle in New Orleans, but the head of psychiatry at Ochsner Hospital told me that from up on the roof they saw at least one sniper team set up on the levee intermittently firing. He didn't know if they were army, blackwater, navy, or what. I know, "someone told me" is crap, but I'm just passing along what I was told. I'm not sure if he was misinterpreting something he saw, but I believe that he saw something. There was a lot of weird stuff going on after Katrina that never made much sense.
 
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I don't know anything about Chris Kyle in New Orleans, but the head of psychiatry at Ochsner Hospital told me that from up on the roof they saw at least one sniper team set up on the levee intermittently firing. He didn't know if they were army, blackwater, navy, or what. I know, "someone told me" is crap, but I'm just passing along what I was told. I'm not sure if he was misinterpreting something he saw, but I believe that he saw something. There was a lot of weird stuff going on after Katrina that never made much sense.
Nobody was on top of the fucking Superdome popping looters. Your buddy's buddy is full of shit. American soldiers murdering American civilians in broad daylight for stealing shit that's waterlogged and broken anyway would've been a PR nightmare. The equivalent of Tiananmen Square.
 

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Nobody was on top of the fucking Superdome popping looters. Your buddy's buddy is full of shit. American soldiers murdering American civilians in broad daylight for stealing shit that's waterlogged and broken anyway would've been a PR nightmare. The equivalent of Tiananmen Square.
Shooting looters was something police were authorized to do and generally are in emergencies.

New Orleans has one of the highest murder rates in the country in normal times and I doubt things would improve in a disaster.


Did a lot of this happen? I don't know, but people were definitely robbed and beaten and killed during the chaos.

 
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Shooting looters was something police were authorized to do and generally are in emergencies.

New Orleans has one of the highest murder rates in the country in normal times and I doubt things would improve in a disaster.


Did a lot of this happen? I don't know, but people were definitely robbed and beaten and killed during the chaos.

Police aren't military. We aren't even talking national guard in a police action. We are talking regular military shooting unarmed American citizens. Chris Kyle was not on top of a fucking evacuation center shooting people in the streets. He claimed dozens of killed looters. It wasn't even like a few of them. Someone, anyone would be able to corroborate this story and they can't.
Considerably more justified than anything they did in Iraq.
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Police aren't military. We aren't even talking national guard in a police action. We are talking regular military shooting unarmed American citizens. Chris Kyle was not on top of a fucking evacuation center shooting people in the streets. He claimed dozens of killed looters. It wasn't even like a few of them. Someone, anyone would be able to corroborate this story and they can't.
Yeah, I don't believe that shit, largely because that guy is a liar and because nobody thinks that particular huge violation of the Posse Comitatus Act happened.
 
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Yeah, I don't believe that shit, largely because that guy is a liar and because nobody thinks that particular huge violation of the Posse Comitatus Act happened.
Exactly. I work with a lot of guys that were there in the shit, and I get to hear about all the extrajudicial stuff that went on, but I heard nothing about a Navy SEAL blapping dudes at will. That would be the single most egregious violation of American due process in history, tbh.

Chris Kyle is a faggot liar. I press S to shit on grave.
 

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Exactly. I work with a lot of guys that were there in the shit, and I get to hear about all the extrajudicial stuff that went on, but I heard nothing about a Navy SEAL blapping dudes at will. That would be the single most egregious violation of American due process in history, tbh.

Chris Kyle is a faggot liar. I press S to shit on grave.
Ventura beat ya to it.....
 

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Yeah, I don't believe that shit, largely because that guy is a liar and because nobody thinks that particular huge violation of the Posse Comitatus Act happened.
I've looked into the Kyle stuff now and he was absolutely full of shit.

As for what my friend said. He never said they they were regular military. He said two men in camo, one with a rifle and one with a scope, set up on the levee in River Ridge and over the course of one night and one morning they intermittently fired. He never knew who they were or what they were firing at. Were they military? I doubt it. Is it possible they were blackwater, who absolutely were on the ground? Maybe, though I tend to doubt that as well. Blackwater was too busy doing the job they were hired for, which was to secure several of the banks in the CBD. It's much more likely that they were police from one of the parishes (Ochsner Hospital is in Jefferson Parish) or from Mississippi. They could even have been private citizens.

Most of the stories that have floated around about Katrina are hazy rumors. But there's a kernal of truth to some of them. Were there extra-judicial killings by the police? Yes, several have come to light. Was it widespread? No. Less than a dozen, as it turns out. Were there gang-rapes in the Dome? No. But the director of the World War II museum rode out the storm in the museum and saw four guys rape a woman in the vestibule three days after the storm. There were rapes, there were murders. It wasn't widespread but it did happen.
 

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Shooting looters was something police were authorized to do and generally are in emergencies.

New Orleans has one of the highest murder rates in the country in normal times and I doubt things would improve in a disaster.


Did a lot of this happen? I don't know, but people were definitely robbed and beaten and killed during the chaos.

Back in the day, sure (and all fleeing felons), but since 1985 Tennessee v. Garner offers no exception for shooting looters in an emergency. Maybe under martial law but it's never been tried since '85.

In Katrina there were rumors that such orders were verbally given and it was a scandal because it's obviously illegal... to say nothing of the mess at Danziger Bridge. Given the utter incompetence of everyone from the mayor down in the city I wouldn't be surprised if high-ranking officers thought they could do whatever they wanted.
 

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Back in the day, sure (and all fleeing felons), but since 1985 Tennessee v. Garner offers no exception for shooting looters in an emergency. Maybe under martial law but it's never been tried since '85.
Well, there was this cop, who went to federal prison for doing it. It's also had bad results. The Army notoriously went apeshit during the Great Quake in the early 20th Century, shooting fairly large numbers of innocent people they mistakenly thought were looters, including someone trying to rescue someone.
 
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Well, there was this cop, who went to federal prison for doing it. It's also had bad results. The Army notoriously went apeshit during the Great Quake in the early 20th Century, shooting fairly large numbers of innocent people they mistakenly thought were looters, including someone trying to rescue someone.
Yeah but that's the (technical) point I was making- cops aren't authorized to shoot looters. They might still do it, but they get to face murder charges in exchange.

There was definitely a lot of shady shit that went down during Katrina (though I disbelieve pretty much everything this cow says he knows) but at least they had to bother trying to cover it up.
 

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I always enjoyed ol' wild-eyed crazy Cynthia McKinney's "There are secretly thousands of black men buried in a swamp, killed and buried by George Bush!" conspiracy theory best. From assaulting Capitol Hill police to blaming the Jews for her losing reelection, Cynthia never disappointed.
 

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Huh.

I just never bought into it wholesale and figured he was just embellishing (not too unusual for the puffed up war hero types. See Pappy Boyington's "kills") because doesn't the spotter do like 99% of the work in those sniper teams and the trigger man just a highly trained marksman? Shouldn't that guy be up on charges if Kyle was mowing down women and kids?
What exactly had Boyington to do with snipers? Boyington was a WW2 Flying Tigers/USMC Fighter pilot. Also I've never heard of any controversy regarding Boyingtons air victories as it was common during WW2 for the USN/USMC and the USAAF to use gun cam footage. I'm a little bit confused right now.