Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

starborn427614

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Even saying that Lily has morals is probably giving her more credit than she deserves.
She's an abuser and an abuse apologist
She's a habitual liar and a sexual predator
She might be a pedophile and definitely has no qualms whatsoever about interacting in explicitely sexual ways with her primarily underage audience, up to and including exposing herself in front of them.
She fetishizes and dehumanizes lesbians as the most "pure" form of relationship
Not to mention all those times she called for the literal genocide of all Republicans

She performs Morality on her blog, but her actions show her to be deeply morally bankrupt at every turn
You're right, maybe I am giving her too much credit. Better to see the good in someone than jump straight to the bad I guess.
 

SubarashiiRage

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"People will foam at the mouth over how much they think pedophiles should die, but they’re very selective in what they consider" pedophile "to actually mean."

Isn't that neat? you know that the nature of all predators is to mix in the environment that their prey is more comfortable and even pretending to be / support them, so that no one suspects their actions and they can escape afterwards

do you have any idea how many accusations of abuse, pedophilia, harassment and criminal practices you have in the LGBTQ + community, feminists, BLM, Antifa that no one speaks and even defends as "progressive" acts, how to decide the sexuality of children for them, who they should hate and blame all their depression and anxieties and how much they need to fight from an early age to not live in fear, by being afraid of the majority of the population that they constantly accuse of planning a genocide

Lily, the greatest pressure that children suffer is on their side of the political spectrum that constantly focus on using children to pull their political agendas that consist of "everything that white people do is bad and has to be answered with cancellation and violence" and that's why everything that you don't have standards you are only against the standards of others pretending to be the true intellectual, the only one that points the dirt of the world

"Cuties" I admit is a low-hanging fruit that everyone can safely point out as a problem, but some of these bigger programs have their justifications and protection because they involve people who donate, are active and support social causes and are examples for minorities to promote the advantage of diversity, if they are accused the narrative that "these communities are noble full of good people" falls and they do not want to expose their skeletons in the closet and admit guilt to serve as ammunition for the opposition then they defend and deny everything (as you deny your fanfics and criticisms) as in the case of game journalists and comics writers
Even saying that Lily has morals is probably giving her more credit than she deserves.
She's an abuser and an abuse apologist
She's a habitual liar and a sexual predator
She might be a pedophile and definitely has no qualms whatsoever about interacting in explicitely sexual ways with her primarily underage audience, up to and including exposing herself in front of them.
She fetishizes and dehumanizes lesbians as the most "pure" form of relationship
Not to mention all those times she called for the literal genocide of all Republicans

She performs Morality on her blog, but her actions show her to be deeply morally bankrupt at every turn
I would say that it is this victim mentality that perpetuates these problems:
* they cannot point at themselves,
* cannot reflect on their actions and tactics
* always appeals to virtues and rights to get everything for free, distorting definitions to fit their narrative
* their reactions are to promote "fairness" and "equality", but they just want to throw a tantrum for not having everything they want the way they want ("not good enough")
* morality is just a blame game, if they convince themselves that their enemies are worse they can do anything
* questioning any belief is bigotry and these people who do are not real (insert any race and sexuality here)
* always use the tactics of their "enemies" but are not self-conscious to see that they are doing literally the same thing and expecting different results (looking at the abyss and all that)
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isn't it cool when Lily talks about a social problem she always talks about a great conspiracy of decades of endorsement and neglect to blame the system for every human error and put herself on a pedestal about how she saw everything first and never said anything?

but she is unable to see her personal mistakes with all this brain capacity
 

FroggyMan

Frog man
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Even saying that Lily has morals is probably giving her more credit than she deserves.
She's an abuser and an abuse apologist
She's a habitual liar and a sexual predator
She might be a pedophile and definitely has no qualms whatsoever about interacting in explicitely sexual ways with her primarily underage audience, up to and including exposing herself in front of them.
She fetishizes and dehumanizes lesbians as the most "pure" form of relationship
Not to mention all those times she called for the literal genocide of all Republicans

She performs Morality on her blog, but her actions show her to be deeply morally bankrupt at every turn
You forgot the part where she wants to get fucked by dogs
 

1911JD

Still tired of this shit but slightly less so
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Well that's certainly a more lax take on it than we had.
Yeah I mean his grandfather had nothing to do with Stockholm or Lizzy any of that other shit, so I think it's kinda unnecessary to try and "gotcha" Jerry by saying "lmao your grandfather probably wasn't even this or that"

The thread isn't even about his family either, it's about him.

Anyway back to him
I was waiting for him to talk about Cuties. Or something tangentially related to it, it seems.

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The "performative bloodlust" take is really strange though. He isn't giving any specific examples, firstly, and secondly, there have been numerous instances where people have been outraged over things similar to what he's describing.

Remember when James Charles received a fuckton of backlash because he was accused of being predatory?
Remember DaddyOFive, the child abuser parents that got mainstream attention because of all the outrage they garnered? Not (inherently) a pedophile case but dealt with preying on children.
Remember Romeo Lacoste, the guy who tried to defend himself from pedophile accusations on Drama Alert, then tried to sue keemstar for defamation while referencing a video that destroyed his entire case?
What about Bashurverse, whose entire career was practically destroyed because he was accused of pedophilia?
How many people, Jerry included, have talked about how unsafe the brony community is for kids?
What about "FCKH8", that weird group of people that dressed little girls up in toddler pageant attire and told them to shout vulgar shit at the camera?
EDIT: Shane Dawson's entire career was ruined because people found videos of him pretending to fap to a young Willow Smith, giving sex talks to minors, kissing minors, and shoving cock-shaped cookies into a young boy's mouth.

I don't know what universe Jerry lives in, but given what I've seen, people tend to take even mere accusations of pedophilia very seriously. I won't say he's completely wrong, because there are some things I certainly think need attention. I don't think this problem of ignorance is as widespread as Jerry claims though, because even Dance Moms and Toddlers & Tiaras has attracted controversy.

Adding to that, I guarantee you the fact that the film was directed by a black woman was not the first thing that came to mind when they saw "11 year old girl" and "twerking" in the same sentence in the original Netflix description, or when they saw the provocative posters, or when they saw those softcore child porn scenes. Go check out the Cuties thread if you want to see them. Saying "Look! Look! THIS is what you need to be disgusted at! Not this!" isn't an argument, it's just deflection, and I guarantee if it was a white dude who directed it Jerry would share the general disdain of the movie.

Granted, I do get what the film was trying to do, I really do. Its actual purpose is trying to provide commentary on the fact that children may be manipulated into doing disgusting shit without actually knowing the ramifications (with a bit of "hyper-conservative muslims fucking suck"), and it was based off the fact that the director saw things like this in real life and was disgusted by it.

But can you blame people for reacting negatively to seeing something like this?

The main point being, there are other ways to expose this problem than showing young girls off like this. You won't fix problems of child exploitation by exploiting children.
 
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starborn427614

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Yeah I mean his grandfather had nothing to do with Stockholm or Lizzy any of that other shit, so I think it's kinda unnecessary to try and "gotcha" Jerry by saying "lmao your grandfather probably wasn't even this or that"

The thread isn't even about his family either, it's about him.

Anyway back to him

I was waiting for him to talk about Cuties. Or something tangentially related to it, it seems.

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The "performative bloodlust" take is really strange though. He isn't giving any specific examples, firstly, and secondly, there have been numerous instances where people have been outraged over things similar to what he's describing.

Remember when James Charles received a fuckton of backlash because he was accused of being predatory?
Remember DaddyOFive, the child abuser parents that got mainstream attention because of all the outrage they garnered? Not (inherently) a pedophile case but dealt with preying on children.
Remember Romeo Lacoste, the guy who tried to defend himself from pedophile accusations on Drama Alert, then tried to sue keemstar for defamation while referencing a video that destroyed his entire case?
What about Bashurverse, whose entire career was practically destroyed because he was accused of pedophilia?
How many people, Jerry included, have talked about how unsafe the brony community is for kids?
What about "FCKH8", that weird group of people that dressed little girls up in toddler pageant attire and told them to shout vulgar shit at the camera?
I don't know what universe Jerry lives in, but given what I've seen, people tend to take even mere accusations of pedophilia very seriously. I won't say he's completely wrong, because there are some things I certainly think need attention. I don't think this problem of ignorance is as widespread as Jerry claims though, because even Dance Moms and Toddlers & Tiaras has attracted controversy.

Adding to that, I guarantee you the fact that the film was directed by a black woman was not the first thing that came to mind when they saw "11 year old girl" and "twerking" in the same sentence in the original Netflix description, or when they saw the provocative posters, or when they saw those softcore child porn scenes. Go check out the Cuties thread if you want to see them. Saying "Look! Look! THIS is what you need to be disgusted at! Not this!" isn't an argument, it's just deflection, and I guarantee if it was a white dude who directed it Jerry would share the general disdain of the movie.

Granted, I do get what the film was trying to do, I really do. Its actual purpose is trying to provide commentary on the fact that children may be manipulated into doing disgusting shit without actually knowing the ramifications (with a bit of "hyper-conservative muslims fucking suck"), and it was based off the fact that the director saw things like this in real life and was disgusted by it.

But can you blame people for reacting negatively to seeing something like this?

The main point being, there are other ways to expose this problem than showing young girls off like this. You won't fix problems of child exploitation by exploiting children.
Big talk from someone who throws around the word Nazi and devalues the power of the name.
 

Jah Hates Kaffirs

Scourge of Serbs
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The "performative bloodlust" take is really strange though. He isn't giving any specific examples, firstly, and secondly, there have been numerous instances where people have been outraged over things similar to what he's describing.
Lily's not giving examples so as to not stay on the wrong side of history in anyone's eyes, lest people start using her arguments about pedos against her.
 

ShiftyBoi

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Yeah I mean his grandfather had nothing to do with Stockholm or Lizzy any of that other shit, so I think it's kinda unnecessary to try and "gotcha" Jerry by saying "lmao your grandfather probably wasn't even this or that"

The thread isn't even about his family either, it's about him.
Fair enough.

Back to Lily.
Here's what peaked my interest this morning.
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I assume she's talking about SU and OK KO.
SU borrows visuals from anime but not much else, and OK KO is a comedic tribute to anime.

I'm not certain if either Rebecca Sugar or Ian got their start on newgrounds, they were certainly around for the era, but it looks like they started on other sites like Youtube.

Either way it's a snide swipe at artists for thinking they can make a show, how dare they.

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I know no one likes walking on eggshells, but Lily you review cartoons.
Your young audience assumes you'd be interested in cartoons.

You're an adult these people don't govern what you do. There are many ways of putting it off or saying you don't want to without blaming them.
 

SubarashiiRage

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Fair enough.

Back to Lily.
Here's what peaked my interest this morning.
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I assume she's talking about SU and OK KO.
SU borrows visuals from anime but not much else, and OK KO is a comedic tribute to anime.

I'm not certain if either Rebecca Sugar or Ian got their start on newgrounds, they were certainly around for the era, but it looks like they started on other sites like Youtube.

Either way it's a snide swipe at artists for thinking they can make a show, how dare they.

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I know no one likes walking on eggshells, but Lily you review cartoons.
Your young audience assumes you'd be interested in cartoons.

You're an adult these people don't govern what you do. There are many ways of putting it off or saying you don't want to without blaming them.
"how dare you ask me to do my job, I want you to leave me alone and use your brain but I also want you to never question me at all and like what I say for you to like"
 

Ben Laden

The True Leader of Al-Qatsuki
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Fair enough.

Back to Lily.
Here's what peaked my interest this morning.
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I assume she's talking about SU and OK KO.
SU borrows visuals from anime but not much else, and OK KO is a comedic tribute to anime.

I'm not certain if either Rebecca Sugar or Ian got their start on newgrounds, they were certainly around for the era, but it looks like they started on other sites like Youtube.

Either way it's a snide swipe at artists for thinking they can make a show, how dare they.

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I know no one likes walking on eggshells, but Lily you review cartoons.
Your young audience assumes you'd be interested in cartoons.

You're an adult these people don't govern what you do. There are many ways of putting it off or saying you don't want to without blaming them.
Probably not SU or OK KO, since it's from a list of shows she used to like as a kid, and those shows didn't air until she was in her 20s.
 

starborn427614

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Fair enough.

Back to Lily.
Here's what peaked my interest this morning.
View attachment 1598044
I assume she's talking about SU and OK KO.
SU borrows visuals from anime but not much else, and OK KO is a comedic tribute to anime.

I'm not certain if either Rebecca Sugar or Ian got their start on newgrounds, they were certainly around for the era, but it looks like they started on other sites like Youtube.

Either way it's a snide swipe at artists for thinking they can make a show, how dare they.

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I know no one likes walking on eggshells, but Lily you review cartoons.
Your young audience assumes you'd be interested in cartoons.

You're an adult these people don't govern what you do. There are many ways of putting it off or saying you don't want to without blaming them.
In the interest of fair play and keeping my power level in check SU does share a lot of narrative beats with older anime like Utena. Huge Utena vibes and imagery.
 
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I know no one likes walking on eggshells, but Lily you review cartoons.
Your young audience assumes you'd be interested in cartoons.

You're an adult these people don't govern what you do. There are many ways of putting it off or saying you don't want to without blaming them.
Since Lily's modus operandi these days seems to be to ride the coattails of a show's hatedom, or be edgy and negative about everything in order to look smart and different, she probably wouldn't have to say much about Kipo anyway, besides her usual bitching about the protagonist solving most of her problems through the Power of Friendship and Optimism, rather than murder.
The protagonist a Black/Korean mixed race female, so she can't bitch about it being "yet another straight white male"
Two of her companions are Black, she can't bitch about the cast not being diverse enough
The Black guy is revealed as gay halfway through the first season so she can't bitch about the showrunners being homophobic cowards
And the plot itself works in an Avatar style overall framing journey with most episodes being a fairly self-contained adventure along the way, so she can't bitch about it being an evil serialization
 

1911JD

Still tired of this shit but slightly less so
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I know no one likes walking on eggshells, but Lily you review cartoons.
Your young audience assumes you'd be interested in cartoons.

You're an adult these people don't govern what you do. There are many ways of putting it off or saying you don't want to without blaming them.
lmao this is still a thing?

There are so few content creators, or just people with followings in general that I've seen who treat their fans worse than Jerry does, like imagine the root of your disdain for a show comes from the fact that a number of your own fans enjoy it and want to hear your take on it, as a cartoon critic

Like hell, I am personally friends with artists who absolutely get more requests for free art and commissions than Jerry likely gets for TV shows, and none of them are as bitter as this fuck about it.

fuckin lol Jerry
 

Typical Anime Trap

the dress stays ON during sex
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Lily fans are strange to say the least. I don't understand where they're getting the idea that I made that video for drama or just to be negative. It makes me feel like they just saw the title and assumed I was just lying, so they didn't watch the video.
That is probably what they did. Lily's fans are pretty brain washed into believing everything she says, and if they don't they get a tongue lashing. It's a pretty common abuse tactic where the abuser usually says 'who are you going to believe me(the person you love and adore) or them (some outsider)'. So if Lily says to ignore the criticisms/brushes them off with little regard her fans probably will too.
 

SteelPlatedHeart

Not-So-New Guy
True & Honest Fan
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Lily fans are strange to say the least. I don't understand where they're getting the idea that I made that video for drama or just to be negative. It makes me feel like they just saw the title and assumed I was just lying, so they didn't watch the video.
“Man, all these people are talking about what a shitty person with a sketchy past Lily is. Clearly this means that all of them are the assholes!”
 

ShiftyBoi

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Lily fans are strange to say the least. I don't understand where they're getting the idea that I made that video for drama or just to be negative. It makes me feel like they just saw the title and assumed I was just lying, so they didn't watch the video.
Yeah I don't understand, how they can't recognize a pattern at this point.
Almost every person Lily has thrown out of her sphere has been damaged or levied some extremely bad allegations toward Lily. And she brushes it off the same way almost every time.

They're a druggie, or they're abusive, or they're an artist, or they were mean once look these 2 discord messages prove it
 

Duine In Cudromach

Nobody of Importance
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This is cute.

Lily, of course, favors creators having an absolute stranglehold over their properties-- or at least her having a stranglehold. People aren't allowed to use her characters in certain ways, or even interpret them in ways that aren't what Lily demands them to be. She insists that every creator bring the hammer down on their fans and fandom, be they a Youtuber or an entirre production company. Somehow, it's the fault of a production company that humans are fundamentally sexual creatues and a lot of them like writing o drawing porn of beloved properties. It's the fault of a creator that other people are doing gross things with their properties.

Meanwhile, there was that kerfuffle a few weeks ago where Lily kicked an artist from her Discord because -- as claimed by the artist and semi-verified by Lily -- they were posting gross fanart and nobody told them that it was inappropriate.

Back in that little controversy I would have honestly sided with Lily-- the way the artist worded it, they were definitely posting some untoward stuff, and their only complaint was that none of the moderators told them it was inappropriate. But now that I'm remembering that this is Lily's stance on fan work as it pertains to what creators are supposed to do, I gotta say, wouldn't it be Lily's fault for not cracking down first? Clearly the artist creating the work would never be at fault because, well, the people over their had never said it wasn't okay.

To that end, Rebecca Sugar's infamous Ed, Edd n' Eddy porn from her teenage years? Also not her fault, because the Ed, Edd n' Eddy crew didn't scour deviantArt (or whatever vehicle she was posting to) every single day, find questionable content, and DMCA it to hell. It's their fault for allowing it to be posted.

This is some kind of baffling. Somehow it's not an individual's fault for making creepy, perverse, or downright despicable works of art, it's because nobody told them to cut that out, and... something something society...?

Even funnier because Lily has said many times that when she tells people to stop doing a thing, she knows they're just going to keep doing the thing even harder. (Part of this is natural human reaction to somebody telling them 'no', the other part is that Lily is an asshole about how she tells people something and if she just asked nicely a lot more people would comply. Not all of them, probably, but a lot more. It's weird how people will respect you more if you show them a baseline level of respect.) What does she expect content creators to do? You simply can't police a fandom.

Hell, she's had her own fans harass others and doesn't even make a token "Guys this is uncool", she just shrugs and says "I can't be held responsible!", even though she's tacitly suggested (and never said otherwise) that harassing people is okay as long as Lily doesn't like them. Meanwhile, Josh Scorcher spends several minutes of his video explaining his experience with Lily saying "DO NOT HARASS I JUST WANT TO TELL MY STORY DO NOT HARASS" and he's still culpable for a few bad apples not listening to him.

You just can't win, unless you're Lily, and that's because she only follows her own rules as convenient.