Jessica Yaniv: True & Honest Woman, Autogynephile, or Other? - Discuss JY's transness here

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Of all the cows, I never thought saying this one was an autist was a joke. Whatever else he is, he's surely that.

 

[Junkail]

I think his cog IQ is within the 80-110 norm range. For him to have gotten an SEO job, for him to have been atop all these socks and machinations requires that.

AFA whether he's on the spectrum (not joking but real)? That could explain a lot according to cdc's current definition. https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/signs.html

There are actually many articles citing a correlation between obesity and poor cognitive health plus accelerated mental decline in later years.
Example:

Obesity and cognitive decline: role of inflammation and vascular changes

The incidence of obesity in middle age is increasing markedly, and in parallel the prevalence of metabolic disorders including cardiovascular disease and type II diabetes is also rising. Numerous studies have demonstrated that both obesity and metabolic disorders are associated with poorer...

www.frontiersin.org

Frontiers | Obesity and cognitive decline: role of inflammation and v…

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[What This Old Thing!?]

Every time he posts something saying he is a woman/girl, he is barraged with hundreds of replies calling him a MAN. Hmmmmm. Maybe this is the only way he can feel like a man.

 

[Velvet Glove Iron Fist]

On the other hand, this cool new tranny fad won't last forever- it requires a big lifestyle investment in a fetish that's not really all that common.

I think the troon fad will continue to grow until the kids who thought it was so cool and fashionable to be trans realise that there's no way back, and that they're sterilised, unfuckable freaks who will never experience sexual pleasure and a normal life. A major lawsuit against the physicians/members of the medical community responsible for rubber-stamping "treatment", ie. hormone injections and life-destroying genital surgery will be inevitable, and it will drag the whole sordid affair into the light. I wouldn't be surprised if it took a decade or so to reach that point, but eventually it will. It's hard to overstate how much the medical community has failed in its duty of care towards these kids, and sooner or later they will pay the price for that.

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

I think the troon fad will continue to grow until the kids who thought it was so cool and fashionable to be trans realise that there's no way back, and that they're sterilised, unfuckable freaks who will never experience sexual pleasure and a normal life. A major lawsuit against the physicians/members of the medical community responsible for rubber-stamping "treatment", ie. hormone injections and life-destroying genital surgery will be inevitable, and it will drag the whole sordid affair into the light. I wouldn't be surprised if it took a decade or so to reach that point, but eventually it will. It's hard to overstate how much the medical community has failed in its duty of care towards these kids, and sooner or later they will pay the price for that.

I want to see Mermaids UK and the parents on the chopping block too, tbh. History is not going to look kindly on castrating your kids for the sake of your ideology. However, what i don't relish is that the larger resuly of this could be that genuinely trans and LGB people will experience some whiplash bullshit they never asked for thanks to these psychotic idealogues.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I wouldn't be surprised if it took a decade or so to reach that point, but eventually it will. It's hard to overstate how much the medical community has failed in its duty of care towards these kids, and sooner or later they will pay the price for that.

Eh, I wouldn't be so optimistic. After all the lobotomy craze just sort of petered out with no one being held accountable.

 

[simulated goat]

Yea, I mostly remember the 2000's when it was big, I imagine the 90's were the beginnings of it.

AGP's are, I believe the logical extreme and a result of this 20-almost-30 year rat race for asspats. to get the most asspats you must rbe the MOST "Inclusive" the MOST "in the know about persecuted people" and the BIGGEST savior of this "persecuted" population. Back in the 00's and the 90's, It was "I'm GAAAYYYYY." in the 2010's it was identifying as "non-binary." Now the stakes are upped. We've run out of persecuted groups where you can just claim to be one and put on an act, now the ante has to be upped. There now has to be effort put into this to an extent. Now, instead of the deviant that just flirted with other boys, you gotta be the boy who can't live with his penis because of how "broken" and "emotional," "persecuted" and thus asspat-worthy, so he NEEDS that surgery to feel better. He thus NEEDS your time, NEEDS your pity and concern. The problem, (aside from, hey that effort may have gone towards something useful) is that people are getting closer and closer to having enough. The really interesting question, especially with this Yaniv case, is how far does the envelope go berfore it flies off the table and into the fire? What does that fire look like? All we can tell right now is that Yaniv and his AGP ilk certainy aren't softening whatever blows may come.

IME, it began in the eighties. Somewhere in the hotbeds of Berkeley. Parties where people earnestly discussed political correctness along with the macrobiotic properties of butterfish. All the interesting thoughts about it are gone, only the smug "We know best for your own good so don't dare think for yourself" thought stopping mantra remains. I always thought it was a shite concept, personally.

 

[2nd_time_user]

IME, it began in the eighties. Somewhere in the hotbeds of Berkeley. Parties where people earnestly discussed political correctness along with the macrobiotic properties of butterfish. All the interesting thoughts about it are gone, only the smug "We know best for your own good so don't dare think for yourself" thought stopping mantra remains. I always thought it was a shite concept, personally.

The term "politically correct" and "politically incorrect" came from the East Bay Express near Berkeley in 1985. And at that time, the extreme for dudes sexually experimenting was having rando drunk sex w/another dude, which if they were "straight" was always disavowed. What was mainstream "edge" then was going down MacArthur to a porn theater and watching Traci Lords VHS tapes.

Thirty-four years later, anyone at the time would cop to rando gay anon sex w/homeless way before talking about the latter...because Lords turned out to be 16 in those tapes.

That said...yeah, the butterfish thing. Was a thing in '85.

 

[Cryin RN]

I think the troon fad will continue to grow until the kids who thought it was so cool and fashionable to be trans realise that there's no way back, and that they're sterilised, unfuckable freaks who will never experience sexual pleasure and a normal life. A major lawsuit against the physicians/members of the medical community responsible for rubber-stamping "treatment", ie. hormone injections and life-destroying genital surgery will be inevitable, and it will drag the whole sordid affair into the light. I wouldn't be surprised if it took a decade or so to reach that point, but eventually it will. It's hard to overstate how much the medical community has failed in its duty of care towards these kids, and sooner or later they will pay the price for that.

Unfortunately @Gustav Schuchardt brings up a good point of precedence. Nobody is going to willingly accept blame for this shit, and the docs responsible have deep pockets with which to pay settlements. I think a PR angle is more likely to successfully decapitate the movement than a legal route. It's got to be public opinion, not legal opinion. Which is great because hardworking ladies like Morgane Oger, Evie Amati, Dana Rivers, Karen White, and Jessica Yaniv are already contributing!

 

[a feel]

I agree with you, but he has to have some sort of mild mental exceptionalism.

He's just dumb.
Plain and simple. He perceives himself as being smarter than all of us which allows him to be stupidly brazen. He also thinks he's right and that the world will bend to his will if only he meows loud enough. Because, see, he's right and we will come to understand that at some point. If only we weren't so dumb! We just don't get him you guys.

My diagnosis still stands: Bog standard sociopath, only he's not of the charming or clever kind. He's dumber than the cat turd he thought was an auto part, and tries to be sexy and charming. I still want to see what he himself sees when he looks at his Jessica character. It's pretty clear he has an entirely different experience than what we see when we look at this sad sack of hairy potatoes, and that's really the only thing I wanna understand about him, because the rest is just a dumb sociopath who's been reassured by his similarly terrible mother so long he think he's the shit.

 

[Junkail]

He perceives himself as being smarter than all of us which allows him to be stupidly brazen.

The Dunning-Kruger effect?

 

[Teazel]

I stand by NPD/AGP, especially after the most recent cane attack. Even a cursory google of Narcissistic injury/rage should explain it pretty well.

 

[a feel]

I stand by NPD/AGP, especially after the most recent cane attack. Even a cursory google of Narcissistic injury/rage should explain it pretty well.

The thing about Narcissists, as I understand it, is that they are actually capable of remorse and some introspection. Some apparently realize they have a disorder and seek help because their own narcissistic behavior estranges them from other people and makes them feel miserable at times. While they do perceive themselves as the center of the universe they're still capable of experiencing a fairly normal range of human emotions.

Sociopaths .... don't care. They don't feel bad - why should they? Other people don't exist. They're NPCs, basically. You can rape a kid or become a woman if you want. They do whatever they want to do without understanding the reason why normal people are horrified and appalled by grown men pretending to be women wanting to sex children. If something's illegal you work your way around that and don't get caught (unless you're Yaniv, because he's D U M B ). There are no feelings involved whatsoever, except self gratification, self importance and the angry hurt fee fees of someone who didn't get his way.

Just a bit of armchair psychology though, sorry for derailing the thread. Yaniv is a fascinating specimen because he's literally too stupid to do the things he could get away with.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

The Dunning-Kruger effect?

That paper is hilarious

https://www.avaresearch.com/files/UnskilledAndUnawareOfIt.pdf

A few words are in order about what we mean by incompetent. First,
throughout this article, we think of incompetence as a matter of degree and
not one of absolutes. There is no categorical bright line that separates
"competent" individuals from "incompetent" ones. Thus, when we speak
of "incompetent" individuals we mean people who are less competent than
their peers. Second, we have focused our analysis on the incompetence
individuals display in specific domains. We make no claim that they would
be incompetent in any other domains, although many a colleague has
pulled us aside to tell us a tale of a person they know who is "domain general"
incompetent. Those people may exist, but they are not the focus
of this research

The paper is full of meanspirited but funny stuff like that. E.g.

Examining logical reasoning also enabled us to compare perceived and actual
ability in a domain less ambiguous than the one we examined in the previous
study. It could reasonably be argued that humor, like beauty, is in the eye of the
beholder.2

And if you look at footnote two you find

2 Actually, some theorists argue that there are universal standards of
beauty (see, e.g., Thomhill & Gangestad, 1993), suggesting that this truism
may not be, well, true.

Also I like the way reading it makes you wonder if there are areas where you are incompetent but unaware of it, i.e. it produces paranoia.

It's such a great paper.

 

[Easterling]

I think the troon fad will continue to grow until the kids who thought it was so cool and fashionable to be trans realise that there's no way back, and that they're sterilised, unfuckable freaks who will never experience sexual pleasure and a normal life. A major lawsuit against the physicians/members of the medical community responsible for rubber-stamping "treatment", ie. hormone injections and life-destroying genital surgery will be inevitable, and it will drag the whole sordid affair into the light. I wouldn't be surprised if it took a decade or so to reach that point, but eventually it will. It's hard to overstate how much the medical community has failed in its duty of care towards these kids, and sooner or later they will pay the price for that.

I foresee an entire lost generation of adults that bought into the trans trend, be it for social credibility or just a stupid attempt and finding an identity for oneself during their teenage years. Yaniv is part of a wave of older adults joining into this new wave of transgender-ism which in my opinion is a blight upon society and his cohesion. The youth that push for trans acceptance into wider society are the first wave and now the older more predatory autogynephiles are riding this social phenomena like a Trojan horse. Thats not to say that the younger transtrenders aren't also autogynephiles either, I'd go so far as to say most troons are.

 

[Velvet Glove Iron Fist]

Thats not to say that the younger transtrenders aren't also autogynephiles either, I'd go so far as to say most troons are.

Pretty much. Check out the #girlslikeus hashtag on Twitter if you want to gaze into the abyss.

 

[Thanatos]

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There used to be mainly a small group of transSEXuals, and they mostly kept to themselves. They wanted surgery and worked to fit in. Now there are transGENDERS, with self-ID we have men w/beards and full male genitalia wearing blue jeans insisting they belong in women's spaces. It's generally the transGENDERs that get in your face and push the boundaries.

There have, for a long time, been documented two types of trans*. The smaller group, the transsexuals, who have dysphoria & have genital surgery. They are gay (men in dresses who like men). The larger group, the transGENDERs, some of them take estrogen to get breasts, but they don't want genital surgery. They are straight men attracted to women. They are autogynephiles, a sexual fetish where they get turned on by pretending to be women and getting women to accept them (hence the push for lesbians to have sex w/their "female penis" instead of seeking straight women). Many of the autogynephiles have other sexual fetishes as well, and one of the common ones is a menstruation fetish, like JY.

*A new type has emerged, ROGD (Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria), it happens to mostly girls around puberty (usually it's more men than women). Most of these kids would accept their actual sex if let alone, maybe some counseling. There are many who are autistic, many with other mental illness, and some would realize when older that they are lesbians. Many feel that girls are horrified and overwhelmed with the role they are supposed to inhabit as a woman, boys are porn soaked and pushing them into painful acts and teaching them that it's all about the guy's pleasure, they hear the messages that women are second class, etc. And of course they hear messages they are supposed to be ultra feminine, and if they aren't, transpeople tell them - well, you must really be a trans, a man in a woman's body.

But the big push is for them to get on the trans train younger and younger (and remember, up to 90% would desist if left alone). The people pushing for this are the autogynephiles, even though their life histories are extremely different. But they want these kids on puberty blockers if a girl plays with a truck - because then they can say "see, we were born this way", and hide the shame of their autogynephilia.

Would Jenner really qualify as an autogynephile? I mean, she is dating a woman and not the best at passing, but she actively tries and actually had HRT and gender reassignment surgery, something typical auto-trannies usually avoid. He also doesn't incessantly screech that he is a trans "GIRL," which is another common trait amongst those wildebeests (see Ana Valens and Cassandra Kleinpeter.)

And would autogynephiles really have a high IQ? Most that I've seen are pretty clueless and dimwitted. Yeah, some can be pretentious, like Rachel McKinnon and Charlotte Clymer, but that's about it.

 

[SourDiesel]

Would Jenner really qualify as an autogynephile? I mean, she is dating a woman and not the best at passing, but she actively tries and actually had HRT and gender reassignment surgery, something typical auto-trannies usually avoid. He also doesn't incessantly screech that he is a trans "GIRL," which is another common trait amongst those wildebeests (see Ana Valens and Cassandra Kleinpeter.)

And would autogynephiles really have a high IQ? Most that I've seen are pretty clueless and dimwitted. Yeah, some can be pretentious, like Rachel McKinnon and Charlotte Clymer, but that's about it.

It's actually a bit of a myth that only homosexual trans pursue surgery or fuck men. AGPs are obsessed with viewing themselves as women and in my observation tend to be exactly the ones that pursue the surgeries to the extremes like going to third world countries to get cheap, crap frankenvaginas because they have no chill or patience or presence of mind. The gay ones, like Blaire, tend to be a bit saner and choose not to get surgery. Not because they don't want a vagina but because they tend to recognize how completely insane and difficult having a stinkditch is more often. The surgery is just not there yet and they know it.

In addition, AGPs also date men at times. You'll hear them say they discovered they're bi after transition but what it really is is that they have a fucked up stereotypical view of what it means to be a woman so they want to get fucked by a man because it makes them feel more like what they think women are: cocksleeves. Gay trans date men because they're homosexual and AGPs do it for the "validation".

 

[Gumby]

Would Jenner really qualify as an autogynephile? I mean, she is dating a woman and not the best at passing, but she actively tries and actually had HRT and gender reassignment surgery, something typical auto-trannies usually avoid. He also doesn't incessantly screech that he is a trans "GIRL," which is another common trait amongst those wildebeests (see Ana Valens and Cassandra Kleinpeter.)

And would autogynephiles really have a high IQ? Most that I've seen are pretty clueless and dimwitted. Yeah, some can be pretentious, like Rachel McKinnon and Charlotte Clymer, but that's about it.

I've seen the researchers list him as an example of AGP. I don't "keep up with him", but last I heard, the "girlfriend" (21 or so y/o) is also a MTF - I don't know if he has had surgery or not. Awhile back I actually saw an article in which Jenner said he'd only slept with a couple of women other than his 3 wives, saying he had never thought of being w/men but maybe in the future. That was so surprising to read, as he was such a heartthrob when he was younger and competing.

From reading Blanchard, Zucker, etc, I think traditionally the main difference, if you were to pick just one to quickly differentiate, was that the first type were obviously effeminate their whole lives and were gay, while the AGP presented as masculine and pursued masculine interests, often marrying and having kids, before coming out as AGP as adults. So Jenner meets that quick distinction, anyway.

 

[Velvet Glove Iron Fist]

And would autogynephiles really have a high IQ? Most that I've seen are pretty clueless and dimwitted.

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